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| − | ==Open polls==
| + | To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[The PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive | here]]. |
| − | ===VOTE: Weapon template===
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| − | Before we go any further with weapon template implementation, let's make if official with a vote like we did with the other standards. Please cast your vote below by posting your choice in bold followed by your signature (and reasoning, if you want). Also, if anyone has another template that they would like to propose, please do so. In such an event, if your vote is swayed by a new entry, please feel free to update your vote.
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final Qwerty's template]
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/User:F_Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon_Page_Redesign:_Yasminakov_0002_Example F Gattaca's template]
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:22, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' - I prefer this template. The seperated tables allow for users to easily find what details they need. [[User:Natasha Milarose|Natasha Milarose]] 19:29, 14 August 2007 (GMT +10)
| + | == Open polls == |
| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 00:46, 14 August 2007 (BST)
| + | None. |
| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' - I like the general idea of this one, but now that I've seen it filled in on a few occasions, there are a few things that I don't like about it. For one, when shop and pricing information is put into its respective table, it begins to squash together the other tables, making them look, well, bloated. (Heh, for a lack of a better term.) I've been trying to come up with an alternative based on this design that solves this, but so far, I've had no luck. I'll keep trying, though, and submit my version if I'm successful. So, for now, my vote goes with this one. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:05, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I noticed the same thing on a few pages. It's due to "Unknown" taking up a lot more horizontal room than an actual price would, never fear. :P I was gonna change the unknown to "???" but didn't feel like messing with Q's pages. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:48, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/beatrix_kiddo/Clip_10.jpg. In this example pic, sample prices are put in, making the boxes not get squished. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 02:11, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** It only looks squished if you use something less than 1280 x 1024, which I figured was more or less standard. >_> --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:12, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8568/templatefinelg4.jpg Here's a pic] showing how the template is fine at a higher resolution. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** In other news, pricing can replace grinding in the second line, which in turn would move down to a third. Such a change could be easily implemented, but isn't necessary at 1280 x 1024 and above, and I'd imagine anyone playing PSU (at least on PC) can support that resolution (even if PSU has to run lower). Regardless, the change is easy to make if deemed necessary. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***I used to have my monitor set to 1280x1024, but for some reason, it kept squealing every once in a while. D: I finally just knocked it down by one spot and it stopped. I'm building a new computer very soon (well, as long as my new motherboard that should be arriving soon works this time), so once it's set up, I'll see if I can get away with a better resolution. I preferred 1280x1024, anyway. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:35, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''F Gattaca's template''' - I'm a lurker and often use the PSUpedia but never edited yet, so I guess throwing my say wouldn't hurt either. Qwerty's has some several advantages, namely being squashed to fit in half of a screen(in my resolution, at least) thus allowing on checking quickly the stats of a weapon, but I preffer F Gattaca's overall. It's breathier, spacier and feels more encyclopedic. Plenty of space and no risk of entries of squashing up into a mess. While it takes a screen, it's still pretty small and spacy. So, yeah, my vote's for F Gattaca's. [[User:Emryl Denjay|Emryl Denjay]] 01:42, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''F Gattaca's template''' - I prefer the non-squished look. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:53, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:40, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. [[User:12|12]] 10:45, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. [[User:Clover|Clover]] 12:15, 14 August (BST)
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| − | * I can't say I'm a fan of the redundancy displayed with the "Rank" field of '''Qwerty's template.''' "Rarity" already has that covered, so couldn't we find a better use for that field? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:37, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** Well, the table looks really lopsided without it, so unless you can suggest something better to put there, then that's really a moot point. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:53, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** :O I just realized a "version" (i.e. PAU/AoI) field would work well there. At any rate, stuff like that is easy to change in the template. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:04, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***A version field would be great. Of course, keep in mind that TECH weapons present a new problem. They only affect one stat (TP), thus leaving one stat box open (the one that was for ATA in striking and ranged weaponry). Any ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:07, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Wouldn't Rowspan 2 solve that particular problem? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:22, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Yeah, planning on just rowspan for the TP issue, but a version field would be nice once we get a vectored logo for regular PSU to match the AoI one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:25, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ===VOTE: Item template=== | + | == Closed polls == |
| − | Let's make it official on this one, too. Right now, I think the only proposal out there is mine, but I'd like to open up the floor once again in case anyone else has any ideas. If so, please submit your ideas! As with before, please cast your vote in bold followed by your signature.
| + | Please see [[The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive#Closed_polls | this page]] for the archive of closed polls. |
| − | *[http://psupedia.info/Diad EspioKaos' template]
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| − | *Other; please elaborate.
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:51, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''EspioKaos' template''' [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:51, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''EspioKaos' template'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:02, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''EspioKaos' template''' --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:49, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''EspioKaos' template''' - Bit of a no-brainer. But as with shop buy/sell stats, I'm not sure about the presence of PM feed stats. The star value and item type (e.g. [[Ingredients|Ingredient]] in above example) is already given, no? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:26, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Yeah, I put that there as filler, but it's just kind of stuck. Other stuff could go in its place. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:24, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ===VOTE: Color-coding=== | + | == New template proposals == |
| − | Another one to get out there and finalize. At the moment, the only discrepancy I've come across with the color-coding system is in the shade of red used to identify an item that has not been officially released. In the current tables, it's of a lighter shade than what has been proposed. As before, if anyone has another suggestion, please post it. In the meantime, cast your vote in bold followed by your signature.
| + | I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units. |
| − | *[http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_style#Color-coding_for_items_.28PENDING.29 Color proposal #1]
| + | * [[Template:Weapon stats test]] |
| − | *[http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Weapon_and_line_shield_tables Color proposal #2] - The only change is in the shade of red. | + | * [[Template:Weapon synth board]] |
| − | *Other; please elaborate. | + | * [[Template:Weapon synth board (Kubara)]] |
| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 14 August 2007 (BST)
| + | * [[Template:LS stats]] |
| − | *'''Color proposal #1''' [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 14 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:LS synth]] |
| − | *'''Colour proposal #1'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:02, 14 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Grinding info test]] |
| − | * '''Color proposal #1''' --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:49, 14 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Pricing info test]] |
| − | * '''Colour proposal #1''': Edit - Ah, I see what's being voted on here. Actually I used the lighter red initially because I found reds that were much deeper stole too much attention from the text. It's arguably too pale now, but I didn't expect availability to be too important a detail. In any case, #aaccff and #ffaaaa can of course be shortened to #acf and #faa - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:20, 14 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Unit stats]] |
| | + | And as an example, the [[Bow Genshi]] article is using all applicable templates. Going by the ideas that have been thrown around here and with the help of numerous people, these templates have been designed based on the idea of allowing as much automation as possible. Stat tables will update their layout depending on what type of weapon it's for. Where feasible, material quantities and types can be determined by an item's manufacturer and rarity and sell prices for items can be calculated with a simple equation using the item's buy price (when entered). The grinding info table has been updated to allow a single template to change based on the weapon type it's being used for. For example, identifying a table for an RCSM will change the attack variable to Tech. while the values for PP will all be filled in with hyphens.<br/> |
| | + | So what do you guys think? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:25, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * I like the idea, but to be absolutely honest, these things confuse the hell out of me. That said, I'm sure I could figure them out if I needed to use them/had the time to look at the parameters more closely. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:57, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** Some of those pages I need to go back over and expand on the parameter values and what to do with them. That should maybe clear some things up. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * It'll be hell to convert all pages but that's a pretty nice work. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:59, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** If we go with them, we could always just use them for any new pages that we create and then work our way back over older articles and make conversions at our leisure. I wouldn't see much rush since aesthetically everything is pretty much the same. (A few small changes, but nothing that really sticks out.) And thanks again for the help. You helped introduce me to some awesome template functions that I've had a lot of fun playing with. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Holy whoa. I love these! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:52, 19 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Cool, so I take it no major objections or anything. I'd like to start using these to work on some more weapon/line shield pages, so I think I'm going to move some over from the "test" name and commence conversion. (Normally I'm not too eager to work on the weapons pages since they can be quite time consuming, but with the tests I did with these, I found myself flying right through them.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 21 April 2008 (CDT) |
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| − | ==Weapon listing table== | + | == User Page Guidelines == |
| − | And now we have a complete proposal for the tables used to list weapons. Really, the only thing that's changed is the addition of the column used to identify items exclusive to the expansion (thanks for the icons, F Gattaca and Qwerty!).
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| | + | I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements. One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized. This includes categories that don't and do exist. The others mostly concern links. If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet). If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly. Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified. If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link. It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages. I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong. It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * I agree with your points but in the case of the links I wonder if a redirect wouldn't just do the job? It's going to be difficult to keep an eye on everyone linking to things on their user page. On another note, I wonder if we should consider making a welcome template to put on people's userpages after they make their first edit. It can have stuff like 'Don't make a billion consecutive edits' (since people seem to miss that, or ignore it) and other pointers. Thoughts (and sorry if I'm hijacking this, STH)? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:33, 20 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** If you go to [[Special:Wantedpages]] you might be able to see better what I mean. Not counting the AOTI and PSP stuff that now appears at the end, the farther in you get the more nonsense you'll probably see. I have no problem with redirecting to obvious things, even though I wouldn't want too many redirects and that stuff usually redirects properly anyway (ie why redirect to a one off that's obviously wrong). The stuff that is an issue are things that are linked for no apparent reason whatsoever. It actually wouldn't be very difficult keeping track as long as Wanted Pages gets cleaned up. As for the welcome template I do agree. Oddly enough I think it was Amaury that brought something like that up in the forums. I'm guessing this would be something automatic? The only real reason I'm bringing this up is that Wanted Pages has been quite useful and can even be more useful in the future. It's just that it needs to be cleaned up in a way that isn't possible for most users (since it involves user pages). The only other solution I see is somehow excluding user pages from having an effect on what pages are listed as needing to be created. Maybe the search filter options could somehow be added to more special pages (so that it would be possible to see what's needed for psp or aoti pages specifically as well). [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 20:47, 20 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Hm, yeah I see what you mean about the wanted page. And no, the template wouldn't be automatic, I don't think there's a way to do it automatically without upgrading our mediawiki or installing an extension. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 21 July 2008 (CDT) |
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| | + | == Use of wiki templates == |
| | + | Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier. The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right. |
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| | + | Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables. A list of these can be found [[The_PSUPedia:Article_templates|here]]. |
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| | + | == New makeup for manual of style icons == |
| | + | You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages". |
| | + | * I think it looks good. I don't think you should worry too much about changing things like layout when it really doesn't affect the content, so cutting the charts into sections for space is probably fine. Remember to sign your comments too. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 11:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! ATP !! ATA !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments | + | ! What you type || What you get |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Sword icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Knuckles icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Knuckles icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Spear icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Spear icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Double saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Double saber icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Axe icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Axe icon}} |
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| − | | rowspan="3" style="background:#bbf"|1★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin saber icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample]] || [[Image:GRM-logo.png|19px|GRM Shop]] || 230 || 72 || 42 || 27 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || -- | |
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| − | | [[Samplesou]] || [[Image:Yomei-logo.png|19px|Yohmei Shop]] || 260 || 64 || 38 || 29 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || -- | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin dagger icon}} |
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| − | | [[Shigga Sample]] || [[Image:Tenora-logo.png|19px|Tenora Works]] || 200 || 76 || 45 || 30 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv01~09 | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin claw icon}} |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! ATP !! ATA !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Saber icon}} |
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| − | | rowspan="1" style="background:#9ee"|4★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dagger icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample Mk. 2]] || [[Image:GRM-logo.png|19px|GRM Shop]] || 333 || 302 || 149 || 164 || [[Image:Aoilogo.png|19px|Ambition of the Illuminus]] || -- | |
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| − | | rowspan="2" style="background:#9ee"|6★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Claw icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample Mk. 3]] || [[Image:GRM-logo.png|19px|GRM Shop]] || 356 || 450 || 212 || 266 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || -- | |
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| − | | [[Samplesou Mk. 2]] || [[Image:Yomei-logo.png|19px|Yohmei Shop]] || 403 || 402 || 189 || 281 || [[Image:Aoilogo.png|19px|Ambition of the Illuminus]] || --
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! ATP !! ATA !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Whip icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Whip icon}} |
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| − | | style="background:#bfb"|7★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Slicer icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Slicer icon}} |
| − | | [[Shigga Sample Mk. 2]] || [[Image:Tenora-logo.png|19px|Tenora Works]] || 340 || 553 || 253 || 325 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv80~99 | |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! ATP !! ATA !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rifle icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rifle icon}} |
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| − | | style="background:#ff7"|10★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shotgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shotgun icon}} |
| − | | [[Shigga Sample Mk. 3]] || [[Image:Tenora-logo.png|19px|Tenora Works]] || 380 || 732 || 373 || 488 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv100+
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| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Longbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Longbow icon}} |
| − | | rowspan="1" style="background:#ff7"|12★
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| − | | [[Shigga Samplec]] || [[Image:Kubara-logo.png|19px|Kubara Product]] || 300 || 625 || 618 || 617 || [[Image:Psulogo.png|19px|Phantasy Star Universe]] || Still unreleased in JP.
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Grenade icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Grenade icon}} |
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| − | Opinions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:43, 14 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Laser cannon icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Laser cannon icon}} |
| − | **Quick adjustment. Changed the '''Att.''' and '''Acc.''' columns to '''ATP''' and '''ATA'''. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:54, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin handgun icon}} |
| − | ==Weapon template standard proposal==
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| − | *Qwerty, Beatrix and myself have come to a consensus on which weapon template we prefer: [http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final this one]. Any objections? The whole decision process on this matter is taking a lot longer than we'd hoped, so we're just trying to speed things along. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Handgun icon}} |
| − | *Yes, this particular issue has taken too long. I have no particular objections. If there is enough objection a vote will have to be set up, but I don't forsee that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:32, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Crossbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crossbow icon}} |
| − | ==Page-stretching and so forth==
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| − | *Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Card icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Card icon}} |
| − | **The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Machinegun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Machinegun icon}} |
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| − | ==Capitalization and so forth==
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{RCSM icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{RCSM icon}} |
| − | *I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | **This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki.<br><br>Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading.<br><br>The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''.<br><br>I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rod icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rod icon}} |
| − | * I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | * Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
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| − | ** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
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| − | ** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
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| − | ** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
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| − | ** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
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| − | ** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.
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| − | If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | * er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | * Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | **That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World.<br><br>As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *****I mentioned that even they couldn't agree months ago. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ******At least we'll finally have a standard set come the end of tomorrow. Moving in the right direction and all, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | == Template Nonsense ==
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| − | * I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | == Am I just blind, or what?==
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| − | <i>If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).</i>
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| − | * I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Voting on pending issues of style==
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| − | *OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
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| − | ****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Weapon table revision==
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| − | *Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
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| − | **** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ******What about vector art like the manufacturer icons? (I think it's called vector art.) If someone could do that with the ''Illuminus'' logo, we could scale it up and down without distortion so it could be used for multiple purposes. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *******That'd be better, since the manufacturer logos are also made from vector graphics, although they're .png files. Following the same pattern, I could do that with Flash and make a big vector .png of the logos--but if you're thinking about that .svg stuff, I've no clue how those vector graphics work. I've only seen them used on Wikipedia ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ********PNG would be great. Give it a shot, if you don't mind. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *I just finished a rough design of the [[Kazarod]] page. Of course, we still need a picture to add to the upper right, but this is what I think individual weapon pages should look like. (I still need to add drop info in, however. Not sure if I want to do it as text or a table...) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I guess we'll need to do a referendum on the weapon pages. That's three style propositions now, heh!<br><br>Anyway, I finally found the time to work on the vector graphics version of the AoI logo. Tell me what you think:<br><br>[[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|19px]] [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|50px]]<br><br>You can view the full size (250x250) [http://psupedia.info/images/d/d2/AoI_Logo_Vector.png here]. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:09, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Perfect! :D What program do you use for this? I'd kind of like to try my hand at creating some logos like this for other in-game icons such as status effects and materials. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:22, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****I personally used Flash for this, using its Export Image feature to turn my working movie into a still image .png file. There's some dedicated vector graphics programs out there, but I've found Flash can handle many of the same things. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:30, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Individual item pages==
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| − | [http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Individual_item_pages This format] seems to be going over very well considering that Beatrix, myself and a few others have been faithfully using it over the past few days as we add new articles to the wiki. Considering that, I assume it could more or less be a set standard, but I'd still like to see if anyone has any opinions on the style that maybe they've just kept to themselves. A few things on it, though:
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| − | *I've opted for a more bold set of colors for the star rating as the ones selected for the table cell backgrounds seemed a little too light against the normal white background. The green star was especially difficult to see.
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| − | *I'd ultimately like to set up a number of more organized categories, such as what we're doing now with these small articles, as opposed to the 500+ categories we have now that split everything up into smaller and smaller pieces. I mentioned this at Raffon Field Base, but I'd like to say it here, too. I really think we need to clear out a ton of the unnecessary categories.
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| − | Anyway, I think that's it. Comments, suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** Well, for the star rating, I guess you could try a wikitable thing to get a darker background. Something like:
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| − | As for the categories, they were originally intended to be there because we can't really get the advanced search functions a more conventional database can have and this was a work-around. They've never been used really and are archaic, they're also intrinsically tied with the old, broken template system. They should be deleted so we can have cleaner categories. Special List pages can be set up if necessary. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:21, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *I am pro special list page. ;) We could use that to sort out which categories to keep and which to axe. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** I personally think the way Espio is doing them looks fine, and the grayish background table for the stars would just look out of place. I'm also curious if the board table I used on my sample weapon page might look better for the individual item pages as well, rather than the textual board and ingredient description. The colored star rarity would also fit in well with my weapon page, if we choose to do that one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Create an example of what you have in mind and we can judge from there. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***** Nothing too fancy, just a simple little table, easy to read and standardized. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here]] be the example. My pricing table could be thrown in too, but I think that might be a bit much. Also, for my sample weapon page, I could just put the color-coded stars below the item description as on the item pages, or possibly in the weapon name title line (with reduced text-size, obviously). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ******Yeah, the pricing table would probably be too much, but the synthesis table looks great there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:01, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * As an aside, it's worth standardizing exactly what types of items are to use this style - obviously synthesis materials and traps use it, but I also assume that consumables, buff items, room goods, redecoration tickets, boards which don't particularly belong to another page (e.g. conversion boards), PA Disks and Clothes/Parts will also use this standard? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Yeah, that sounds about right. I plan on doing some more item pages later today, possibly finishing off the synthesis materials section. In the meantime, however, I'm going to head off to the gym for a bit while I've got a chance. (There are weights to be lifted there, and it just so happens that I'm the only one who can lift them. :D) While I'm there, I'll be going over these things in my head. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | (Copied from the scape doll talk page.) I really hate questioning something that we're trying to set as a standard, but I think this might be a valid point. While working on the scape doll's board info, I realized that the rarity of the board and the rarity of the item are different. While I don't think this is a common occurrence, I think we should address it before we begin a mass implementation of synth board tables, especially since the board rarity is never mentioned anywhere. I suggest changing the title of the table to the board name and then changing the current board name cell to indicate rarity. Like so:
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Food''' || [[Hustle Berry]] x5 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Chemical''' || [[Omega Acid]] x2
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 1 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Base Rate''' || 100%
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || 00:00 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Rarity''' || {{Color-A}}|7★
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| − | I think we should do this, unless we're going to make individual pages for each board. Actually, that's something else. Should we do that, or just make a synth board redirect to the page of the item it creates? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:40, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | I'd be all for individual pages for boards, but the simplicity of putting board and item on one page is clear to me as well. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 23:17, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ! colspan="4"|Title goes here
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Extra unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Extra unit icon}} |
| − | |- style="background:#fbb" | |
| − | | Material 1 || Material 2 | |
| − | |- style="background:#fbb"
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| − | | Material 3 || Material 4
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| − | |- style="background:#8ff"
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| − | | Synth Detail 1 || Synth Detail 2
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| − | |- style="background:#8ff"
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| − | | Synth Detail 3 || Synth Detail 4
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| | |} | | |} |
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| − | : Seems a very strange way of arranging it to me, and not particularly conductive to finding out the desired information on a synthesis quickly. Additionally, there's a lot of "<nowiki>style="background:sixcharacters"</nowiki>" expressions in there which - while easily eliminated by a template - would surely be better off made header cells (start with ! instead of | ) and then just make the "title" cell darker manually.
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| − | : If I may pitch in a couple of ideas:
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| − | {|
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| | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |
| − | |- style="background:#ddd" | + | ! What you type || What you get |
| − | | colspan=5| '''Horizontal Item''' | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-G}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-G}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-Y}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-Y}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-T}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-T}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-K}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-K}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{PSU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{PSU version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{AOTI version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{AOTI SU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI SU version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-C}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-C}} | C-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-B}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-B}} | B-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-A}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-A}} | A-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-S}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S}} | S-grade items (10-12★) |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-S2}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S2}} | S-grade items (13-15★) |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{JP item}}</nowiki></code> || {{JP item}} | Japan-only items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Unreleased item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Unreleased item}} | Unreleased items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rotational item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rotational item}} | Seasonal or temporary items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{1 star}}</nowiki></code> || {{1 star}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{2 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{2 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{3 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{3 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{4 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{4 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{5 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{5 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{6 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{6 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{7 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{7 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{8 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{8 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{9 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{9 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{10 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{10 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{11 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{11 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{12 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{12 stars}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | rowspan=2 style="background:#e8e8e8"| Details | + | | <code><nowiki>{{13 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{13 stars}} |
| − | ! width=80|[B] Needed || width=80|[B] Uses || width=80|Synth Time || width=80|Base Rate
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| − | | [B] Item || x || 0hrs || 100% | + | | <code><nowiki>{{14 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{14 stars}} |
| − | |-
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| − | | rowspan=2 style="background:#e8e8e8"| Materials
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| − | ! Photon || Ore || Metal || Wood
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| − | | <photon> || <ore> || <metal> || <wood> | + | | <code><nowiki>{{15 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{15 stars}} |
| | |} | | |} |
| | | | | | |
| | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |
| − | |- style="background:#ddd" | + | ! What you type || What you get |
| − | | colspan=4| '''Vertical Item''' | + | |- |
| − | |- style="background:#e8e8e8" | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Crown}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crown}} |
| − | | colspan=2|'''Details''' || colspan=2|'''Materials''' | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Sword}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shield}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shield}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Boot}}</nowiki></code> || {{Boot}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Staff}}</nowiki></code> || {{Staff}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki></code> || {{Neutral}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Fire}}</nowiki></code> || {{Fire}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Ice}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ice}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Lightning}}</nowiki></code> || {{Lightning}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Ground}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ground}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | ! width=80|[B] Needed
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Light}}</nowiki></code> || {{Light}} |
| − | | width=80|[B] Item
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| − | ! width=80|Photon
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| − | | width=80|<photon> | |
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| − | ! [B] Uses
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Dark}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dark}} |
| − | | x
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| − | ! Ore
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| − | | <ore> | |
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| − | ! Synth Time
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{C}}</nowiki></code> || {{C}} |
| − | | 0hrs
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| − | ! Metal
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| − | | <metal> | |
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| − | ! Base Rate
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{B}}</nowiki></code> || {{B}} |
| − | | 100%
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| − | ! Wood
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| − | | <wood> | |
| − | |}
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| − | |}
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| − | : Actually, the code for the second one isn't edit-friendly at all. But some might prefer the look so I'll leave it there. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 00:07, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I like how the vertical version looks. One problem, though: what to do with the empty cells for boards that have less than four materials? Also, I still favor the idea of keeping the title of the table the name of the board it's about. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:24, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I do too, come to think of it.
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| − | : The "number of materials" thing could do with exploration. By nature, all weapons require four (Photons, Ores, Metals, Wood) and some line shields require four (Photons, Ores, Materials, sometimes event drops). Then there are Food and Item boards which take two (Natural Materials, Chemicals), Decoration boards which take two (Special Materials, Wood) and finally Grinder / Material Upgrade boards which use just one (Grinder bases and the materials, respectively).
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| − | : It's the last two that bother me, since those won't fit into the "vertical with oddly-grouped" setup either. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:35, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **We could always take the route of unique tables for each type of synthesis board, but do what we can to make them all have the same general feel. Maybe? I'll give some more thought to it to see if I can come up with another design. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:10, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Closed polls==
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| − | Voting has ended for the following topics.
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| − | ===VOTE: Abbreviations===
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| − | So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | |
| − | ! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
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| − | | Hunter || HU || HU | + | | <code><nowiki>{{A}}</nowiki></code> || {{A}} |
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| − | | Ranger || RA || RA | + | | <code><nowiki>{{S}}</nowiki></code> || {{S}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Force || FO || FO | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shirt icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shirt icon}} |
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| − | | Fighgunner || FG || FI | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Pants icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Pants icon}} |
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| − | | Wartecher || WT || WT | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shoes icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shoes icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Guntecher || GT || GT | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Top set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Top set icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Fortefighter || fF || FF | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Bottom set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Bottom set icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Fortegunner || fG || FG | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Full set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full set icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Fortetecher || fT || FT | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Arm icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Arm icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | Protranser || PT || PT | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Torso icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Torso icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | (Acrofighter) || aF || AF | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Leg icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Leg icon}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | (Acrotecher) || aT || AT | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Full parts set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full parts set icon}} |
| | + | |} |
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| | |} | | |} |
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| − | Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *<b>JP-Wiki:</b> For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?).<br><br>If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''JP-Wiki''': Just because it's the style I'm used to using. :3 *In b4 "OWTF RANT U R SUPPOS 2 B ON VACATIONZ"* [[User:Fence!|Fence]]
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| − | *The voting period has ended and the score tallied. With nine votes, Sounomi's abbreviations will be the PSUPedia's new standard for type abbreviations. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ===VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization===
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| − | We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
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| − | *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
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| − | *[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
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| − | *[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
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| − | *[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.
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| − | If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
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| − | *'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * <b>MLA:</b>: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''<b>MLA:</b>''' "Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<." My thoughts exactly. [[User:Fence!|Fence]] 15:41, 10 August 2007
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| − | *'''<b>MLA:</b>''' Coincidentally, isn't "Manual of Style" breaking the Wikipedia and AJA standards? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:03, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **You're right. We'll begin making all necessary adjustments across the site once we have the results of this vote tonight. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:04, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***I wasn't necessarily making an argument about that. Just saying it's somewhat funny to see someone vote contrary to what they did. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:55, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Point. To be honest, before I began the manual of style here, I favored the MLA format, thus why the article is capitalized as it is. After I took a look over Wikipedia's style guide to get a little inspiration for ours, I realized that I liked their format more, and as such voted for it. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:52, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *With a vote of five, the Wikipedia standard for capitalization in headings has become the PSUPedia's new standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived here.
I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units.
I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements. One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized. This includes categories that don't and do exist. The others mostly concern links. If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet). If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly. Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified. If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link. It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages. I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong. It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess. S-T-H 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT)
Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier. The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right.
Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables. A list of these can be found here.
You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages".
