Difference between revisions of "Talk:Main Page"

Revision as of 20:31, 19 April 2008

New Main Oage Look

I love this new look. Awesome job, Qwerty! Cheers! :D Amaury 12:15, 31 January 2008 (CST)

To Mewn

Um, I just saw all the reverts. Looks like a spam fest has started. =( Amaury 13:28, 27 January 2008 (CST)

• Spambot attacks happen every so often here. It took me a grand total of 7 minutes to undo their damage, so much for wasting my time. Luckily the wiki system makes it easy for the damage they do to be undone.- Mewn 13:59, 27 January 2008 (CST)
• That's good. Why do people have to vandalize pages? Where's the pleasure in it? People who create spam-bots are just so immature. Amaury 14:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

Main page overhaul

It's been talked about many, many times before (with one such discussion right below this one), but I think we really need to try our best to focus on designing a new front page. What we have now has gotten to the point of sloppy, to be honest. And I realized that when we remove the horizontal navigation section from it in place of the sidebar nav-system, we'll have a lot of empty space that would look best if it were filled with something. I've been trying to come up with a new design, but for some reason I can't come up with something that I actually like. I'll keep trying, of course, but I wanted to see if anyone else had something to propose. - EspioKaos 13:34, 10 January 2008 (CST)

• Step one: figure out what you want to put on the main page, for starters. Step two: organize it all nice and neat. As far as content goes, the Photon Fortune log and event-related articles are good. Maybe a "What's New" section wouldn't be bad either. No banners or logos or anything flashy though. Sekani 20:38, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • Yeah, photon fortune and the updates section are must-haves. Also the basic intro to the wiki. I'd like to have a dedicated events section like you said, that we can use to highlight articles on current or upcoming events. The in-game updates section could be taken from its current table form and put into normal text like the intro so that it'd take up more space. Hell, we could even take the little blurb we write for each update from the news section and paste it on the front page as opposed to a link that would link to the news page which would link to the actual update. - EspioKaos 09:31, 11 January 2008 (CST)
    • I can't think of any good ideas that don't involve some kind of dynamic content (as in daily or weekly updating). A featured article, for example. Or maybe a user spotlight. I guess you could fill out the bottom with a mini-gallery of random uploaded screenshots. - Sekani 23:51, 11 January 2008 (CST)
      • I've worked a little more on a possible tweaking. Really, all I added to what I had before is the box in the lower right which highlights upcoming events and missions. I figure that might be good to have up front so visitors will know what to expect down the line. Of course, I need to come up with a better color scheme for it, as all I did was copy-pasta the box for the recent updates section. <_<; - EspioKaos 22:47, 13 January 2008 (CST)
• I've played around with it some more. Despite originally wanting to move away from the bottom navigation section completely, I came to realize that maybe it's not such a bad idea to keep. Really, all we need to do is clean it up. A lot. Though I'm very fond of a sidebar nav-system, I've realized that with all of the stuff we need to keep listed there, it will very quickly become overgrown; especially if/when we get around to adding an offline data section. If there were a way to collapse menus in the sidebar, it wouldn't be a problem, but since we can't, another option is to shave down some of the "lesser" articles over there and keep it to the big stuff. We can keep a table of contents on the front page that lists most everything that the visitors want, all categorized and divided up into nice, even tables. Currently, I've got five columns of stuff. I figure that shouldn't be a strain on the recommended screen resolution, but since I'm on a widescreen monitor at work, I'm not certain. If it looks weird, someone let me know so I can take it down to four columns. Either way, I'd like some suggestions on what else to add to the list. - EspioKaos 09:53, 14 January 2008 (CST)

Main Page Modifications

It seems I've gotten a tad bit lazy :P, I've started working back on a news-script, right now the idea of it, is to have the last submitted news displayed, then the previous 4-6 entries' headlines displayed with links to their respective entries. A similar idea for the PSU updates, except it will continue in the same format that it is now. Any ideas/suggestions? --HitomiCHAN 06:08, 30 January 2007 (CST)

• A couple, actually.
  • I'd like to suggest we cut the "Navigation" section down considering a number of the links on it are to articles that are out-of-date (see: the planets) or for detailing elements of the game that were fascinating before the game's release but common knowledge now.
  • I'd also like to see the page's layout get sorted out. As things are the Navigation bar looks horrendous above 800x600 and the page's appearance is VERY dependant on the amount of "News" there is. Too little or (as seen until my cutbacks) too much and it appears horribly ugleh, which is a bit of a problem considering it's the Main Page. - Miraglyth 10:58, 4 February 2007 (CST)
• Eek! The "PSU Updates" box there makes the Photon Fortune box shrivel in fear in any resolution under 1600x1200.
  • Actually, it's just hit me. When did the News page cover only PSU updates? Formerly it was for wiki news as well. It seems a large part of the problem with the main page since Christmas has been the separation of game updates and PSUPedia news. - Miraglyth 12:54, 25 February 2007 (CST)
  • Well, yeah.. but ever since the period of August~November there's just been a lot less news for any of those altogether. D: - Tycho 17:23, 25 February 2007 (CST)
    • Maybe so but had we shoved those into the News section we might've been able to do something about the failed spatial awareness test that is our constantly moving things that don't fit around the Main Page. - Miraglyth 02:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)

• Been throwing around various ideas and possible layouts for the Main Page this morning. I've made a mockup of one such attempt I feel works quite well (save the "Navigation" menu which should receive significant changes no matter what happens). - Miraglyth 14:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I like it, and yeah, the Navigation menu needs a drastic change, perhaps make it a single horizontal box with each section on one horizontal line (and colour-coded as it currently is). Mewn 20:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Had a quick shot at making the mockup work. First of all I can't get the "PSU Updates" box spaced right under the Photon Fortune box >.< and second it occurs to me that the Photon Fortune box (see here) is quite squashed on the Main Page for resolutions under 1600x1200 or so. - Miraglyth 01:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Started to look at ideas for a new Navigation menu since the current one has about 300 ancient/redundant links. As evidenced here, I've clearly not spent long enough trying! - Miraglyth 23:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, i think it would be a good idea to add the guise section into the general info bar, not enough ppl realize it exists, and it could become big. Also on another note, lets do the pic of the day as mentioned previously, its a good idea. - Loki 1:43, 6 April 2007 (CST)

PSU character stat project

Need to log in to view that forum page. -> Need to register to log in. -> Need to be invited to register. -> Almost no one can view that page :(. --Seikas2 08:08, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Same the only page I could access was: http://psu.amesani.org/data/charstat.php , nice project though!! We should add to links on the sidebar? --HitomiCHAN 08:48, 4 January 2007 (CST)

• If anything, I'm all for supporting external community projects. Hope it could be kept alive some way or another. - Tycho 17:47, 11 January 2007 (CST)

I have tried to add the male cast stats from lvl 53 and 54. Both times it says that it failed the HP calculation. I know I am doing it right because I have added stats for male beast and female beast. Please let your friend know this as I cannot find an email link on the webpage at all! Mrurl42 11:06, 11 January 2007 (CST)

• Apologies; notified her of the fallacy. It'd have been nicer if the rest of the site was a bit more open already (though it doesn't really have anything yet), but alas. >_< - Tycho 17:47, 11 January 2007 (CST)
  • Ya. I tried to find an email addy on the site, or at least a comment section to leave her the comment directly. Prolly why there is so little data for male casts tho :P
• There's a small bug in the code that I can't figure out to where it won't calculate out a stat for one of the classes properly. The only solution that I could conceive was to just have the user that got that issue to post the stats that it bugs out on. Though now it seems to be happening more than I thought it would. It only happened to me once out of over 30 levels...
  
  However, I've started on something a little better for this. It'll basicly just involve having the user check to see if some calculated stats match theres and if they don't submitt a picture or something. I can now calculate out the stats within 1 point of the correct value and this will help straighten out this issue. I just need to finish figuring it out for all of the race/sex combos and then figure out how to do the picture upload thing ;x --Soukosa 19:20, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Anonymous users

These unregistered users making pointless edits are getting beyond the joke. Leaving a line of what they think of a weapon if the weapon doesn't have a page and so on. Anyway we can force registration? It'll save a lot of time wasted by reverting these edits. --JubeiSaotome 19:13, 16 December 2006 (PST)

[1] --Seikas2 19:55, 16 December 2006 (PST)

• Actually, I'm wondering about this as well. Not sure how I could get around to making global changes now that the wiki is already set up though; I really need to find out about that. >_< - Tycho 02:40, 17 December 2006 (PST)
• I agree with Jubei here. Not only are they making pointless edits, but we also have no idea who they are. At least if they are forced to register we can associate a name with the edit, rather than a number. 99% of all vandalism comes from anonymous users as well, so it'll present an obstacle for those users. Mewn 09:23, 17 December 2006 (PST)
• After having reconsidered, I'm starting to think this might not be such a great idea after all. I believe that if users would need to register in order to vandalize, they would just register (likely incognito) before vandalizing. Really, we could just ban the IPs anyway; I think this way it's actually a lot easier to find potential vandalism, while still not really scaring regular users away. Maybe it's kinda subjective, but eh, if you still insist and know to change this, I wouldn't mind. - Tycho 09:31, 17 December 2006 (PST)

Users online

Man, this needs to be integrated into the main page;

Users Online: <whosonline></whosonline>

When will these new plugins be implimented? --JubeiSaotome 02:44, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• Well, they should already be functional at least. I'm still hoping I could get the other ones to work later on as well though.. - Tycho 08:30, 14 December 2006 (PST)

I see it on there now, ahh a more wholesome community feel is starting to manifest. --JubeiSaotome 16:42, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• It seems to slow the loading time of the main page, I can re-add it if you wish, also I'm adding a TODO page, that in favour with everyone? --HitomiCHAN 09:39, 25 December 2006 (CST)

• I am a bit new to this. Where can I find the Users Online? I am not seeing it on the main page. ^^ ~ Kitomi 15:59, 25 December 2006 (CST) ~

• I believe that, since we moved, we no longer have the Who's Online extension installed. If HitomiCHAN installs it it'll come back, but until then we won't get it. Mewn 16:05, 25 December 2006 (CST)

• Thank you Mewn. I didnt know the site moved. I only learned about it yesterday. ~ Kitomi 16:07, 25 December 2006 (CST)

• Surprised I didn't see this before. I'm all for something as pointless-but-oh-so-cool as this :P - Miraglyth 05:21, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Screenshot of the Day

• Is it me or is this page really missing something? How about a screenshot of the day? --JubeiSaotome 16:48, 24 November 2006 (PST)
• I don't know exactly what you had in mind, or what others would think about this, but... would you be willing to take care of it then, given the privileges? - Tycho 03:13, 25 November 2006 (PST)
• I just mean some random contributed screenshot of someone's gameplay, placed somewhere on the main page with a small description and a heading of "Daily Screenshot" or something similar. Is there a way to do a gallery on a wiki? or could you just make a table of old screens if this is going to be done? --JubeiSaotome 03:17, 25 November 2006 (PST)
• Ahzi never installed the gallery feature. I think we should do the Daily Screenshot, because I'm not putting the other three templates until we get a fourth to occupy a lot of empty space lol. The thumbnail size for the picture will have to be 310px or less in width and 200px in height, but because of how much extra space we have we could use two pictures and split them up. I'm still having trouble finishing the new luck template, because I have to fit the Photon Fortune head.PNG into it (this makes it pretty and best of all larger, the pictures/descriptions can be longer now), and it's not allowing me a color border, so until you give me a go for the idea, I'll keep trying this one. Check out my talk page if you want to see how I'll be setting the templates on the main page, or ask me on my talk page (it's getting lonely) for the text if you feel ambitious enough to finish the luck template and make a color border for it. Asim 06:06, 9 December 2006 (PST)
• A few screenshots of the giant trees and christmas decorations would be most fitting right now, wouldnt it? I just uploaded one if you'd like to use it. Sorry for the low quality tho, since i run on 800x600 window mode resolution. I'd upload more, but I'm dead tired. I'm off for now. --Mega 10:16, 10 December 2006 (PST)
• I'll look into integrating Flickr-like functionality, but I wouldn't know how to get this 'screenshot of the day' thing running, nor who'd look after it. The image is probably good for the Events/Updates sections though, together with a news article. Miraglyth, where are you? :wacko: - Tycho 08:49, 11 December 2006 (PST)
  • How about a group of people handle it? Maybe get a few of us in IRC to handle it, since most of us do edits here anyway? --JubeiSaotome 16:43, 11 December 2006 (PST)
    • I'm all for stuff like this. Uh ... I'm not knowledgable on how to run a wiki, but isn't there a way people can upload their screenshots to a specific pool of such images separate of the file repository we've already got, and then the team JubeiSaotome mentioned would pick which one(s) to use each day? - F Gattaca 13:19, 12 December 2006 (PST)
      • That would most likely eat up bandwidth, especially if people don't save them in the right format. Default raw PSU images are up to 5mb. --JubeiSaotome 00:44, 13 December 2006 (PST)
        • Does Wiki even allow people to upload bitmaps? At least, in my experience, Wiki refuses bitmaps. On my first attempt to upload a picture for my user page, my paint program didn't save it as a jpg even though I specified that as the file extension (whoops); PSUP didn't accept it. When I realized what was wrong and correctly saved it as a jpg, then it did.
          
          ... Heh. I just realized, 'PSUP' sounds like Pea Soup. - F Gattaca 09:22, 14 December 2006 (PST)
          • maybe, but NO BITMAPS, we needto get people to use Adobe's save for web functions, or are there programs that are free that people could use to convert their images to a smaller size without losing any quality? Saving for web can reduce an image size from 3mb to 150kb --JubeiSaotome 16:44, 14 December 2006 (PST)
            • Well, like I said ... based on my experiences, I don't think the wiki accepts bitmaps at all. That makes sense given that bitmaps are not web-friendly and I don't think that many web browsers can even display them (certainly not many of the older ones). I don't think we have to worry about anyone uploading five megabyte pictures to the wiki.
              
              As for a program that'd convert PSU's bitmap screenshots to a web-friendly format--Adobe's programs are not necessary for this. The "save for web" feature you mention, I'm almost sure you're talking about converting a file to .JPG.
              
              Any PC with a Windows OS should have MS Paint. It's very simple and easy to use, too. Save a file as a .JPG and bam, a 1024x768 screenshot is now 130 KB. - F Gattaca 17:15, 14 December 2006 (PST)
          • IrfanView free, small size, excellent quality. --Dark Dajin 04:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)
          • Paint.NET Very nice free app I have used for years, takes mere seconds to convert images, also has plenty of other cool features. --DemonLordEtna 04:00, 24 December 2006 (CST)
            • I think a screenshot of the day would be nice, as well as a Page dedicated specifically to the Events, along with screen shots, similar to the one describing the known events, but One that lists them as they occure, along with reported findings and such for each one. ^^ Kitomi 16:50, 25 December 2006 (CST)
              • That would be interesting, but then how do we go about moderating it. --HitomiCHAN 14:37, 27 December 2006 (CST)
                • I would suggest giving only specific people rights to it, and they could be responsable for covering the event, like a reporter would. Even the large - game changing updates could be considered an event in that case as well, though the holliday events and special events would be much more entertaining. Kitomi 18:34, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Icon

• I was thinking of ideas for the site's address icon... thingy-- the icon next to it in the favorites. Anyways, I was thinking of having the three planets, or I could take the leaf that's in the corner. Suggestions or preferences? ~ Irovax
• Hm, never thought about that before. We were kinda considering to get rid of the clover/vine image though. I'm not much of an artist myself, so maybe someone else could make something better to replace that and the site icon. I'm fine with anything really; there are probably plenty of creative people out there. - Tycho
• If and when it does get changed, the icon on the search plugin would need to be changed to maintain professionalism. If for some reason I'm not around to do that, use this place to turn a 16x16 .gif with the necessary transparencies into the base-64 encoded data that you can insert into the .xml by editing it as a text file. - Miraglyth 04:11, 11 November 2006 (PST)
• What about using a generic GUARDIANS icon? --SiegeV 17:55, 9 December 2006 (PST)
• Sounds decent actually. Any clue for the clover at the top though? x_x - Tycho 00:24, 10 December 2006 (PST)
• Could you use one of the logo files from the PSU fansite kit from Sega? Or if that is too plain, I could come up with something original, or even some small flash file. What do ya think? Some quick examples of banners I made while with jeM on PSO:

Example Banner
Example Flash Banner- Shonky 20:56, 13 December 2006 (PST)

• I think we need a logo, not imagery. It should be something simple, yet something people can recognize us by. Take the clothing shop icon for instance, it's a tshirt, related to what it's selling and you always know thats where to buy clothes on PSU. Why not an icon related to a dictionary or an encyclopedia? --JubeiSaotome 21:18, 13 December 2006 (PST)
• I kinda liked the banner for http://psobb.forumwise.com/ actually. - Tycho 08:30, 14 December 2006 (PST)
  • Hey, if we're gonna do that, why not make a whole PSU-themed skin for the wiki? (I'm serious here, that would be rather cool.) - F Gattaca 12:34, 14 December 2006 (PST)
    • Maybe something that follows the game's gui layout? That would be awesome. --JubeiSaotome 16:45, 14 December 2006 (PST)
      • If I knew how skinning MediaWiki worked, I'd love to help out with such a project. I could still help out with graphics though, I think. - F Gattaca 17:15, 14 December 2006 (PST)
• I personally don't have any artistic capabilities whatsoever, but anyway, this page explains the skinning stuff a bit. Moreover, one could just check the skins of other major wiki projects, like the WoW one. - Tycho 10:29, 15 December 2006 (PST)
• Far as replacing the clover at the top goes, it seems to me the whole wiki concept (in this case, "for fans, by fans") made me think the obvious solution is, of course, fan art. - LlamaX
• Instant win. - Tycho 01:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
• Icon, this thing any good? --Dark Dajin 05:02, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Revised Logo

Cleaned up PSUPedia logo by Kietrinia

• I saw that a new logo for the upper-right was created. It's a very nice design, but I think you can see the quality of the screenshot that it was taken from. I had a lil bit of spare time and a tad bit of boredom, and I cleaned it up a tad. I hope it looks okay.
  
  I also know how to make a favicon for a webpage. If y'all like the cleaned up logo I made, I can probably create an .ico file from this page logo to use for a favicon. ^-^
  --Kit 11:59, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Favicon

• I like the idea of a favicon. I say go ahead with it.  :) Also, any chance of making an 88x31 banner icon based on this? <_<; I'd like to have something I could add to the links on my website for this place, but I suck at the whole icon-making thing. Maybe it could have the new logo on the left and "PSUPedia" on the right side of it. - EspioKaos 12:13, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • I went ahead and made one. I can't upload it to the wiki, so I'll just dump it in my own file space. --> Link to ico file, please save and reupload. It doesn't matter where you upload the file. I'd personally recommend the wiki's root directory. :P
    
    Here's how to enable it. You need to open up the root directory for the wiki, and open+edit the file "LocalSettings.php" (use Dreamweaver if you have it, or use WordPad. Notepad'll create all kinds of gunk :P). Then you need to add the following code to that file and save it back where you found it. The icon should propagate within a few minutes.
    

# Enable custom Favicon
$wgFavicon 			= "Full URL to ICO file";

• 

  PSUPedia banner
  Oh, and here's that 88x31 banner you wanted. :)
  --Kit 12:43, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • Awesome, thanks!  :D I'll have that added to my site after I get home from work tonight. - EspioKaos 12:44, 10 January 2008 (CST)
• I assume MS FrontPage (yes, I know it's crap, but I have it) would open it too, yeah? --Qwerty 12:52, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • I actually don't know. Try it anyways? o.o?
    --Kit 12:57, 10 January 2008 (CST)
    • Looks like it worked. I just refreshed and got the new favicon. - EspioKaos 12:59, 10 January 2008 (CST)

• I don't see anything. It just says E for Internet Explorer. I think he's talking about like the MySpace one, where it shows 3 blue people. Amaury 13:03, 10 January 2008 (CST)

• • http://www.myspace.com/ Amaury 13:05, 10 January 2008 (CST)
  • The favicon is the same one as the "3 people" one for MySpace. Looks like the new favicon is uploaded and working now. Yay! ^-^
    --Kit 13:07, 10 January 2008 (CST)

• There we go. I just had to clear the cache. Amaury 13:56, 10 January 2008 (CST)

• Hey all. Just for the power of choice, I've made an alternate icon. Not much changed except the text (tried to keep it inline with the other images) and the resample method. Clicky. - Miraglyth 14:50, 14 January 2008 (CST)
  • I do like that. Minor change, yes, but the added P should be there considering our name. <_< - EspioKaos 15:36, 14 January 2008 (CST)
    • Mind if we all come to agreement on an icon? It's not massively important but the search plug-in could use updating. - Miraglyth 17:10, 25 January 2008 (CST)
      • I'll restate my support (if for nothing more than the sake of bumping this back up a bit) for the PSUP version since it's a better reflection of the site's name. - EspioKaos 19:06, 25 January 2008 (CST)
      • Yeah, definitely prefer that one, Mira. Not only does it include the P, but the image is a lot clearer as well. --Qwerty 22:05, 25 January 2008 (CST)
      • I do like Mira's version of the favicon more than my own. It's alot more clear than mine and the added P is quite nice.
        --Kit 14:08, 5 March 2008 (CST)
        • Done and done. I meant to do that ages ago, but forgot. I replaced the old one, but I guess it might take some cache clearing to make it show up, idklol. --Qwerty 19:12, 5 March 2008 (CST)

CSS and table background images

Did a bit of experimenting offline:

1. Tag each of the main page tables with an ID (or class).
2. Add to MediaWiki:Monobook.css (or Common.css) the following:

<id or class name> {
    background-image: url('image name');
    background-position: bottom right (attachment point);
}

Can't seem to put it directly into the style for the table because MediaWiki kills the entire style if there's a url() in there. --Seikas2

• Thanks; I'll try again later. x_x - Tycho 06:08, 13 December 2006 (PST)
• Could you try to make one as an example please? _|￣|○ - Tycho 11:45, 13 December 2006 (PST)

Let's see...

Force a reload from network [shift-reload] if it doesn't work for you. --Seikas2 12:14, 13 December 2006 (PST)

There's something going wrong with the table on the right... --Seikas2 02:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• Played around with Common.css some more, and reuploaded Asim's the banner for the News box in three parts (left, right, and a repeatable background to allow for the table to be stretched while retaining the banner). The result is in The PSUPedia:Sandbox#Test; using your code it accepts the image, but using mine it refuses to. What am I doing wrong? ;-; - Tycho 12:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)

You have to force your browser to reload the CSS from the site [shift-reload]. If that doesn't work, go here. --Seikas2 12:21, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• As a sidenote, I've tried this (splitting the news banner) once. The background peeks through the left and right of the images, outside the banner :/ --Seikas2 12:27, 14 December 2006 (PST)
• Something seems to have broken sitewide :( Common.css isn't working properly and the sidebar is back to its default. --Seikas2 17:54, 14 December 2006 (PST)
• How long until the featured article section will be utilized? --JubeiSaotome 23:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)
• Yeah, I had been wondering about the sidebar as well... Quite weird really. As for the featured article stuff, I dunno. >_>; Never was my idea, and I have no clue if Asim was still going to do stuff about it. Actually, maybe I should inquire if people would like the idea at all. - Tycho 10:36, 15 December 2006 (PST)
• Did anyone mind greatly that we changed the layout on the front abit.! - HitomiCHAN 14:39, 27 December 2006 (CST)
• Like it. - Tycho 07:20, 28 December 2006 (CST)
• =D --HitomiCHAN 07:52, 28 December 2006 (CST)

Goggle Vision

Scanning a tree.

Tree becomes targetable.

Tree knocked down. Item uncovered.

So there was a rumor circulating that the Goggle item acquired in the online story mission had more use to it than just scanning flaming flowers in "The Masked Woman" mission. I set out to bust this myth, and to my surprise its actually true. I found a tree in Parum with a glowing sphere (meaning its scannable). I scanned it, then chopped it down and received an item. :D I havent checked around anywhere other than Mad Creatures C(Found 2 so far. One in block 1 and 2.) but this may hopefully lead to new paths in missions never before ventured. Anyways, how bout we start an article on these Goggles? If anyone wants to volunteer to do it, i have screenies to support it. But i'm not very articulate to write a clear, well thought out article. ^^;; Feel free to crop and use these pictures as you will. --Mega 01:06, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• It's not a myth ;o It's actually mentioned in story mode a few times. In story mode you get much better drops from trees though, like moon x's and scapes. --JubeiSaotome 02:00, 14 December 2006 (PST)
  • Also, killing trees sometimes reveals "secrets." Case in point: One of the blocks in The Mad Beasts has a tree near the riverbed, by a large rock. When you kill it, you can gain access to a cluster of boxes. I got a rare that way!
    
    There should be some more stuff like this in Moatoob. In Story Mode I was able to knock down a fake wall once or twice by scanning the area with goggles ... I expect at least one mission will allow us to do that again.
    
    Oh, and before I forget--*plugs JubeiSaotome's ;o-ing face with a rappy* YARHA! - F Gattaca 09:22, 14 December 2006 (PST)
    • =P Dont play story mode, at all. But thanks for the input. even more so the reason now to make a special page of its own for goggles. --Mega 21:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)
      • There are a couple in Moatoob, as well as one that open area's for boxes as well. I havent found any walls online mode yet, but im looking ^^ Kitomi 16:47, 25 December 2006 (CST)
        • I remember knocking down a wall once in Moatoob(Online). Actually, it looked more like a huge boulder, I just felt the need to smack it and i broke it o.o; . But this was before I had the goggles and I was the alone on that mission, so no one else couldve scanned it.Mega 20:20, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Home and Permanent Link

The "Home" link disappeared and the "Permanent Link" link became unclickable. How do you fix those? Amaury 17:15, 2 January 2008 (CST)

• I removed the home page link since it was redundant. Clicking the PSUPedia logo above where it was will return you to the front page just the same. (I didn't take the permanent link thing into consideration when I removed it, however. To be honest, I don't see it being a problem. I've never known anyone to use the permanent link feature, anyway.) - EspioKaos 17:27, 2 January 2008 (CST)

• Oh, I didn't know you could click the picture. Heh heh. Amaury 17:55, 2 January 2008 (CST)

i added some info on serafi daggers

i simply added the board drops from a rare spawn on "dancing birds" from neudaiz, but as if its a noel rappyimnot sure and i dont know what level it is so if anyone could look into the creature lvl that would be great

• That's only during Christmas, and only because Rappy Noels showed up in Dancing Birds. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. --Qwerty 20:48, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
• no there was a rappy that drops them during easter as well i was in a party when it did.--Vir De malitia 15:31, 19 April 2008 (CDT)