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==New User, Please Help W/ Rare Monsters Chart==
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<font size="144" color="red">Sign your comments.</font> - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:58, 10 May 2007 (BST)
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I'm not exactly sure how this site works, so if someone sees this and can help me out I would greatly appreciate it.
 
  
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Anyways, I'm having some issues understand how to use the Rare Monsters charts.  there's A-1 through A-X etc., and Block 1-3 First Spawns listed for each area.  Here's what I am trying to figure out.
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Let's use Sleeping Warriors, Left Stairs Route, for an example.
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They look to me. - [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 08:02, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
  
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~~  For A-1 "Block 1 - Block 3 First Spawn", what does that mean?  Does it mean something like, "first spawn in first room" for Block 1, then "first spawn for 2nd room", and "first spawn for 3rd room"?
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==== Does anyone believe it? ====
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:I thought that this referred to the first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 1, first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 2, and first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 3. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 17:16, 1 January 2007 (CST)
 
  
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~~ For the A-1 through A-X then, I understand they are different variations, but do you have to get A-X, B-X, and C-X to get rare enemies?  Or let's say you get A-X on Block 1 of your run or even Block 2 of your run, theoretically you should automatically get Rappies just because A-X was your Block 1? Or like I said, do you need multiple Block-X's?
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The alleged -4 and -X2 spawns. We've got just four of these, none of which I've seen, and all of which are not seen on the JP wiki. Specifically:
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:The different A-, B-, and C- layouts are different map orders for the entire mission, with -1, -2, -3, and -X as different patterns of monster spawns. That is, if you don't encounter the "Block 1 First Spawn" in Block 1, "Block 2 First Spawn" in Block 2 and so on for an -X pattern, you probably won't encounter rare monsters. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 17:16, 1 January 2007 (CST)
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* [[Unsafe Passage]] "C-4". Supposedly non-rare, would only need a starting spawn of Pannon x3 to confirm.
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* [[Fight for Food]] "B-X2". Actually, both B-X and B-X2 disagree with the JP wiki. Would be hard to prove or disprove given how little people run it.
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* [[Fight for Food]] "C-X2". Our C pattern is the A pattern on the JP wiki. Their A-X matches our C-X2 and they don't have our C-X at all.
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* [[Plains Overlord]] "B-X2". Our B pattern is the A pattern on the JP wiki. Their A-X matches our B-X2 and they don't have our B-X at all.
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I remember not believing these when they were added back in 2006 by people who - by their other comments and thoughts - were apparently not capable of reading. Given that every other mission since has been 3 patterns of 3 common and 1 rare variant each, ''and'' that JP's wiki has seen our charts and disagreed, I still don't believe them. Does anyone? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 13:09, 29 December 2007 (CST)
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* I was wondering about those last night as I was going over charts. I guess it's possible for there to be a second rare spawn per pattern, but I think it's unlikely considering the pattern established by almost every other mission.  It might be a good idea for us to go over those missions and redo the charts.  I think I might do that tonight if for nothing more than some practice with making a chart since I've never done one of my own before.  Besides, it'd be good for us to verify a number of these missions, particularly the ones that had spawn changes with an update over the summer. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:00, 29 December 2007 (CST)
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* Do we have a central page to reference which spawn sets/entire charts have been confirmed? If not, I suggest that we make one, so that those of us who are willing to help with this don't duplicate other people's efforts. - [[User:Spirit|Spirit]] 02:55, 30 December 2007 (CST)
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* Huh... now I'm not so sure. Just ran a Scarred Planet C run and got Rappies, but the spawns were off the hook. Pattern C. The second spawn was many Volfu (some kings, which was why I noticed) and two Bal Soza, and the "indoor" spawn of block 3 was Go Bajilla x3→4. There was also one spawn mid-way through which was a swarm of Go Bajilla (though only 3 at any one time, more spawned as killed for a while). Can't remember any other distinguishing features. Wondering if mission difficulty matters more for spawns now. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:07, 7 January 2008 (CST)
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** ...and again. Pattern A this time. Again, first b3 spawn was Go Bajilla x3→4, but nothing else I took note of. Still 100% on Scarred Planet C for rappies :/ - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:28, 7 January 2008 (CST)
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*** Urgh, this'll be a difference on difficulty. And for the longest time I always thought difficulty only affected the way "sub-bosses" could spawn. Wonder how this'll work with mission spawn charts. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:38, 7 January 2008 (CST)
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**** I've noticed differences in spawn patterns between difficulty a few times, even with the older PSU style missions. The ones that spring to mind most are:
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***** '''[[Valley of Carnage]]''', which I was used to running through on my way to Tunnel Recapture, and which when I started doing it on S and S2 rank for exp, seemed to contain a lot more monsters;
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***** '''[[Tunnel Recapture]]''', which I spammed on C rank way back when it was the best MP for low levels, and noticed several odd things when doing it on S rank months later. And;
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***** '''[[Sakura Blast]]'''. Sakura Blast in particular stuck out at me, as I created the spawn chart based on S-rank difficulty spawns, and have since done a few B rank runs to find a better Neiclaw. The ''important'' spawn information seemed to still be applicable, though I didn't find any rare spawns on this rank, so I am as yet unable to confirm the rare patterns.
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**** The differences I noticed in TR and VoC might have been a result of rebalancing, so I initially dismissed those differences as a result of external manipulation in the form of game updates. SB though, is too new to have suffered any such manipulation as yet. If worst comes to worst, we might have to supply spawn charts for each difficulty on each mission's page. >.> - [[User:Spirit|Spirit]] 19:59, 7 January 2008 (CST)
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***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)
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***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)
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* This seems to have run its course.  I could be wrong, but I have to think that the discrepancies here have been resolved. I won't remove it myself until we're sure on this one.  [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:12, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
  
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Please let me know, so I can edit the Rare Monsters chart accordingly.  I have some variations not posted.
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== Future? ==
  
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So while I've been updating many of the mission pages, I can't help but keep notice of what's going on on this page and the already WIP transfer of the charts to their individual pages.  I figure in the end this page might just revert all the way back into a rare enemy list with the mention that there are spawn charts on the mission pages themselves.  Probably wouldn't be worth a sidebar mention anymore at that point.  But anyway, at present I have a bit of an idea on how to keep things organized and maybe speed them up as far as the conversions go.
  
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[[User:Shadow Hado|Shadow Hado]] 05:19, 1 January 2007 (CST)Nate
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We could keep the missions in a chart with a color coded system (or even just a note in another column depending on how it's set up) of what condition the individual charts are in as well as links to them.  It would eliminate any more possible redundancies until each chart can be properly completed.  I've noticed a few instances where charts have been half done here and the mission page (but in different ways by different users).
  
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== Rares ==
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I'm willing to get this all done and move any relevant comments about specific charts over to the mission talk pages, but I felt I didn't want to make such large changes all at once without some go ahead.[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:33, 15 June 2008 (CDT)
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* Do the boss Rares have a seperate Map than the typical Rare maps? [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 15:37, 25 December 2006 (CST)
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* A while back, I was messing around with a [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|possible new look]] for this article once the conversion is complete.  Basically, it tells how to read our spawn charts and then gives a list of missions with a link directly to their spawn chart.  I need to get back into the conversion mode I was in a months ago.  I guess I can only do a few at a time before I get burnt out on them. Some of the tables can be a real pain. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:42, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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* I don't think they're related. I didn't completely understand the explanation from the Bible though (which is basically non-existant, since it only gives a table DX). Guess someone would need to try it out for a bit (whether or not after the tables get posted). - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:01, 29 December 2006 (CST)
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** [[User:S-T-H/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|Here]] is something in the realm of what I considered for tracking progress. I'd basically transfer everything pretty much as is (while eliminating any redundancies), then replace the current notices/redirects with these charts. Then I'd update them with the proper progress level. Doing it this way, people can see pretty easily what is and isn't done and what might just need a few tweaks to get done. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 21:48, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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*** I'm good with that. Anything to help move the conversion along.  XD  So I guess first we should work on moving the current tables over the their respective articles? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:48, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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**** Yea I think that would be the first thing. After that we'd be moving various talking points from this section to the mission talk pages.  I'm not sure how relevant or up to date they are, but we can figure that out later (probably around the time the charts are about completed). The last thing of course would be clearing out the individual sections where the charts used to be and replacing them with that chart.  All that would be needed then is to make sure the chart is about right as far as progress goes.  We might end up stepping on each other's toes a bit though. If you want to start transferring the charts themselves, I'll step aside for a moment and see what I can do with the talk pages.  Later I'll go through each section and see what condition the charts are in.  I won't mark any higher than 'S' though (as you'd be much more familiar with how they should look as a final 'S2' version). [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:12, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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This is a little confusing to me. Can anyont make it easier to understand in laymans terms? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 21:45, 13 December 2006 (PST)
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* Just transferred over the chart for True Darkness for kicks. (Drop in the bucket and all that, right? XD) I'll try to work on transferring more of these over in the next few days; though I might not focus on the formatting for some of them since it can be a bit tedious. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:33, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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** Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now.  Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in).  There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages.  I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end.  [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
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* What all is confusing? Thanks for the pictures too, that helps make it easier for people!  Same with formatting.  I'm new to using wiki things...
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*** The 'longness' of this page was knocked down from the top 5 to #126.  Considering that it's #4 for hits, it'll hopefully save a good amount on bandwidth. Now all that has to be done is making sure the chart stays up to date.  I'll leave the 'S2's to you as you came up with the format. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:48, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
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*** Alright, it's up to 121 now size wise, but I think we'll be good with this for awhile.  All you really have to do now is take a look through the S ranks and confirm your S2 ranks.  If you can, please look at the talk pages after finishing and remove any unnecessary comments. I think I spotted a few while carrying them over.  Outside of the discussion above (which might not have been figured out yet, I don't know), I set us up with a fresh talk page. Everything else has been moved to more relevant sections or has been cleared for being generally useless or/and outdated. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 05:55, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
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** I just got confused by the spawn listings, I was thinking they were all spawns that showed the rappies, it wasn't until a friend showed me how, then I understanded the X route is the one with the rappies. I'll continue to add pics and upate it for you. Thanks though, awesome work. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 22:32, 13 December 2006 (PST)
 
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*** Its something that isn't on the English version that will become very important to know, so I'm translating it over.  Thanks for making it easier for english speakers to read! [[User:Fiethron|Fiethron]] 22:34, 13 December 2006 (PST)
 
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== T-Intersection ==
 
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That T Intersection bit is a bit iffy. Think we need a picture to clarify what way the first mob of that block is located at? Possibly a gallery image set for "Main locations" within a mission that need to be noted? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 03:00, 14 December 2006 (PST)
 
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I can take a picture...but I'm not sure how to add the picture to the server....the intersection is like a T.  You go straight, but then can only go left or right, not straight anymore.
 
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I just did a correct run of the Left Turn Route and I had no rappies appear at all. All the flags were there. Is there any other requirements to make them appear? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 04:04, 14 December 2006 (PST)
 
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* Are you sure block 3 was 3 delsaban and 2 pannon?  B-1 and B-X are very similar, but if they are that similar, then maybe we need to add another + to block 1. [[User:Fiethron|Fiethron]] 11:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)
 
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-- Either they were B-X or the page is wrong. The spawn counts were accurate to the B-X list so either they were B-X and B-1 is correct or they were just mislisted on the page. --[[User:Aethir|Aethir]] 11:51, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 
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-- You are absolutely sure that the first room in Block 3 immediately spawned with 3 Delsabans and 2 Pannons, not 2 Delsabans and 3 Pannons?  I did over a hundred runs, and probably 30+ were B-1 runs, only got B-X once, and it had rappies, so I find it difficult to believe you repeatedly got the B-X spawn set AND it was wrong.
 
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I just did Valley of Carnage S with the B-X spawn pattern and didn't get any Jao. Can anyone confirm that one is correct? --[[User:Ras|Ras]] 04:37, 15 December 2006 (PST)
 
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Can someone please clarify for me which room this phrase refers to? Is it the dead end room where the Key drops, or is it the room before that, with the platform with the barrels on it? I'm referring to the C-X spawn set, by the way.[[User:212.32.77.163|212.32.77.163]] 13:34, 14 December 2006 (PST)
 
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Train track room is the room where the key is.  The other map which just has '''train tracks''' is the actual track part.  So for C-X, it is the small room. [[User:Fiethron|Fiethron]] 06:39, 15 December 2006 (PST)
 
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* What is the kana for this name? Given that it is suggested they appear at Valentines, wouldn't a more logical guess at the names be 'amour'? Or 'amore'? Sega liek French (see PSO EPIV) so they might like Italian too. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:04, 15 December 2006 (PST)
 
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* アムレ, ノエル, ラタン, パスカ, アクテ, ソニチ. So yeah, it's not because I'm completely illiterate or anything; I did get the references. Some company still fails at languages though! - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 15:09, 15 December 2006 (PST)
 
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Para from HongFire.com says: I just tested the Jao C-X spawn pattern and it didn't give me a Jao.. needs more testing and another confirmation?
 
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I'm not sure about C-X but B-X worked for me, took about 3 hours of hunting but i finally encountered rappies and orgdus once... yes the majority of the time the badira x3 at the bottom of the steps was what went wrong with the runs but it is possible.  I'm not sure if the luck of leader has to do anything with it, the leader in my party had 3 luck at the time but that culd just be a coincidence.  I have yet to find C-X, i always get a polyvohra at bottom of steps instead of 3 badira, but that doesn't mean the chart is wrong, it just means you gotta keep trying.  I'm too am trying to figure out the spawns for A-X, i just try and keep a mental note of spawns and if i run into ogdus i'll write it down and post them on here.
 
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It's the one where you go forward and there's that natural ramp (and 2 haystacks off to the right of it), and the first spawn is 2 Poltys (Polties?), then 3 of them which gives you a key to open the gate, then Vahras when you go down the next natural ramp.
 
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Hope that helps people. [[User:Umberger|Umberger]] 21:09, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 

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Sign your comments. - Miraglyth 19:58, 10 May 2007 (BST)

Essen's Flag Icons

They look to me. - Amaury 08:02, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

Does anyone believe it?

The alleged -4 and -X2 spawns. We've got just four of these, none of which I've seen, and all of which are not seen on the JP wiki. Specifically:

  • Unsafe Passage "C-4". Supposedly non-rare, would only need a starting spawn of Pannon x3 to confirm.
  • Fight for Food "B-X2". Actually, both B-X and B-X2 disagree with the JP wiki. Would be hard to prove or disprove given how little people run it.
  • Fight for Food "C-X2". Our C pattern is the A pattern on the JP wiki. Their A-X matches our C-X2 and they don't have our C-X at all.
  • Plains Overlord "B-X2". Our B pattern is the A pattern on the JP wiki. Their A-X matches our B-X2 and they don't have our B-X at all.

I remember not believing these when they were added back in 2006 by people who - by their other comments and thoughts - were apparently not capable of reading. Given that every other mission since has been 3 patterns of 3 common and 1 rare variant each, and that JP's wiki has seen our charts and disagreed, I still don't believe them. Does anyone? - Miraglyth 13:09, 29 December 2007 (CST)

  • I was wondering about those last night as I was going over charts. I guess it's possible for there to be a second rare spawn per pattern, but I think it's unlikely considering the pattern established by almost every other mission. It might be a good idea for us to go over those missions and redo the charts. I think I might do that tonight if for nothing more than some practice with making a chart since I've never done one of my own before. Besides, it'd be good for us to verify a number of these missions, particularly the ones that had spawn changes with an update over the summer. - EspioKaos 14:00, 29 December 2007 (CST)
  • Do we have a central page to reference which spawn sets/entire charts have been confirmed? If not, I suggest that we make one, so that those of us who are willing to help with this don't duplicate other people's efforts. - Spirit 02:55, 30 December 2007 (CST)
  • Huh... now I'm not so sure. Just ran a Scarred Planet C run and got Rappies, but the spawns were off the hook. Pattern C. The second spawn was many Volfu (some kings, which was why I noticed) and two Bal Soza, and the "indoor" spawn of block 3 was Go Bajilla x3→4. There was also one spawn mid-way through which was a swarm of Go Bajilla (though only 3 at any one time, more spawned as killed for a while). Can't remember any other distinguishing features. Wondering if mission difficulty matters more for spawns now. - Miraglyth 19:07, 7 January 2008 (CST)
    • ...and again. Pattern A this time. Again, first b3 spawn was Go Bajilla x3→4, but nothing else I took note of. Still 100% on Scarred Planet C for rappies :/ - Miraglyth 19:28, 7 January 2008 (CST)
      • Urgh, this'll be a difference on difficulty. And for the longest time I always thought difficulty only affected the way "sub-bosses" could spawn. Wonder how this'll work with mission spawn charts. - Miraglyth 19:38, 7 January 2008 (CST)
        • I've noticed differences in spawn patterns between difficulty a few times, even with the older PSU style missions. The ones that spring to mind most are:
          • Valley of Carnage, which I was used to running through on my way to Tunnel Recapture, and which when I started doing it on S and S2 rank for exp, seemed to contain a lot more monsters;
          • Tunnel Recapture, which I spammed on C rank way back when it was the best MP for low levels, and noticed several odd things when doing it on S rank months later. And;
          • Sakura Blast. Sakura Blast in particular stuck out at me, as I created the spawn chart based on S-rank difficulty spawns, and have since done a few B rank runs to find a better Neiclaw. The important spawn information seemed to still be applicable, though I didn't find any rare spawns on this rank, so I am as yet unable to confirm the rare patterns.
        • The differences I noticed in TR and VoC might have been a result of rebalancing, so I initially dismissed those differences as a result of external manipulation in the form of game updates. SB though, is too new to have suffered any such manipulation as yet. If worst comes to worst, we might have to supply spawn charts for each difficulty on each mission's page. >.> - Spirit 19:59, 7 January 2008 (CST)
          • The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --Beatrixkiddo 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)
          • Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that don't match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - Spirit 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)
  • This seems to have run its course. I could be wrong, but I have to think that the discrepancies here have been resolved. I won't remove it myself until we're sure on this one. S-T-H 03:12, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

Future?

So while I've been updating many of the mission pages, I can't help but keep notice of what's going on on this page and the already WIP transfer of the charts to their individual pages. I figure in the end this page might just revert all the way back into a rare enemy list with the mention that there are spawn charts on the mission pages themselves. Probably wouldn't be worth a sidebar mention anymore at that point. But anyway, at present I have a bit of an idea on how to keep things organized and maybe speed them up as far as the conversions go.

We could keep the missions in a chart with a color coded system (or even just a note in another column depending on how it's set up) of what condition the individual charts are in as well as links to them. It would eliminate any more possible redundancies until each chart can be properly completed. I've noticed a few instances where charts have been half done here and the mission page (but in different ways by different users).

I'm willing to get this all done and move any relevant comments about specific charts over to the mission talk pages, but I felt I didn't want to make such large changes all at once without some go ahead.S-T-H 23:33, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

  • A while back, I was messing around with a possible new look for this article once the conversion is complete. Basically, it tells how to read our spawn charts and then gives a list of missions with a link directly to their spawn chart. I need to get back into the conversion mode I was in a months ago. I guess I can only do a few at a time before I get burnt out on them. Some of the tables can be a real pain. XD - EspioKaos 18:42, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
    • Here is something in the realm of what I considered for tracking progress. I'd basically transfer everything pretty much as is (while eliminating any redundancies), then replace the current notices/redirects with these charts. Then I'd update them with the proper progress level. Doing it this way, people can see pretty easily what is and isn't done and what might just need a few tweaks to get done. S-T-H 21:48, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
      • I'm good with that. Anything to help move the conversion along. XD So I guess first we should work on moving the current tables over the their respective articles? - EspioKaos 22:48, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
        • Yea I think that would be the first thing. After that we'd be moving various talking points from this section to the mission talk pages. I'm not sure how relevant or up to date they are, but we can figure that out later (probably around the time the charts are about completed). The last thing of course would be clearing out the individual sections where the charts used to be and replacing them with that chart. All that would be needed then is to make sure the chart is about right as far as progress goes. We might end up stepping on each other's toes a bit though. If you want to start transferring the charts themselves, I'll step aside for a moment and see what I can do with the talk pages. Later I'll go through each section and see what condition the charts are in. I won't mark any higher than 'S' though (as you'd be much more familiar with how they should look as a final 'S2' version). S-T-H 23:12, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
  • Just transferred over the chart for True Darkness for kicks. (Drop in the bucket and all that, right? XD) I'll try to work on transferring more of these over in the next few days; though I might not focus on the formatting for some of them since it can be a bit tedious. - EspioKaos 23:33, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
    • Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now. Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in). There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages. I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end. S-T-H 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
      • The 'longness' of this page was knocked down from the top 5 to #126. Considering that it's #4 for hits, it'll hopefully save a good amount on bandwidth. Now all that has to be done is making sure the chart stays up to date. I'll leave the 'S2's to you as you came up with the format. S-T-H 03:48, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
      • Alright, it's up to 121 now size wise, but I think we'll be good with this for awhile. All you really have to do now is take a look through the S ranks and confirm your S2 ranks. If you can, please look at the talk pages after finishing and remove any unnecessary comments. I think I spotted a few while carrying them over. Outside of the discussion above (which might not have been figured out yet, I don't know), I set us up with a fresh talk page. Everything else has been moved to more relevant sections or has been cleared for being generally useless or/and outdated. S-T-H 05:55, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
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