Talk:Translation errors - Revision history

AngelusInsomnus: /* Massive Overhaul - June 1, 2010 */ new section

2010-06-01T21:15:16Z

‎Massive Overhaul - June 1, 2010: new section

Miraglyth: /* Categories of Translation Errors */

2008-06-13T20:36:54Z

‎Categories of Translation Errors

Mewn: /* Dark Falz */

2008-05-14T08:47:35Z

‎Dark Falz

Jeff Paine: /* Dark Falz */ forgot to sign

2008-05-13T17:07:39Z

‎Dark Falz: forgot to sign

Jeff Paine: /* Dark Falz */

2008-05-13T17:07:19Z

‎Dark Falz

Mewn: /* Dark Falz */

2008-05-13T12:52:55Z

‎Dark Falz

Mewn at 21:27, 12 May 2008

2008-05-12T21:27:00Z

EspioKaos: /* Stag */

2008-05-12T19:45:48Z

‎Stag

Qwerty at 19:35, 12 May 2008

2008-05-12T19:35:30Z

Mewn at 16:52, 12 May 2008

2008-05-12T16:52:23Z

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	* I'm not sure "Correct" is the word to use in some of these cases. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 07:15, 5 January 2008 (CST)		* I'm not sure "Correct" is the word to use in some of these cases. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 07:15, 5 January 2008 (CST)
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		+	== Massive Overhaul - June 1, 2010 ==
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		+	* '''Rearranged''' page into multiple sections and new tables according to [[User:Mewn\|Mewn]]'s suggested (back in 2007!) categories
		+	** '''Removed''' "Location" column
		+	** '''Added''' columns for Japanese kana, and, where appropriate, suggested corrections (often replaced "correct translation" column), alternative translations, additional details
		+	* '''Added''' many more entries, wrote/rewrote additional details
		+	* English names '''link''' to their articles
		+	* One entry '''removed''' entirely, Halp Serafi: is technically correct, no known precedent to otherwise conflict with
		+	* One uncertainty: A few such as Jigo Booma and Dark Falz actually have added separators (ジゴブーマ vs. ジゴ・ブーマ) compared to older games, debating whether or not it's significant enough to bother mentioning at all.
		+	--[[User:AngelusInsomnus\|AngelusInsomnus]] 21:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Crea weapons? Aren't they meant to be Claire? Go Bajjija and Badria too. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 17:31, 24 December 2007 (CST)
 ** Badira/Bajilla, yes. Claire, no. It was just KUREA or whatever, and people guessed they'd transliterate it as "Claire." However, they went with "Crea" (which is probably closer), and they were consistent with it, so that's not any sort of error. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:39, 24 December 2007 (CST)
 == "Correct" translation ==
 * I'm not sure "Correct" is the word to use in some of these cases. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:15, 5 January 2008 (CST)

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 * I noticed that you changed the article, Jeff Paine, but I disagree with Dark Falz even being in the article as a translation error. Not to mention that the current entry still implies Dark Falz is a mistranslation (it's not, for reasons that have been explained). Maybe there's a call for a seperate section for contested translations but whether you think Dark Falz or Dark Force is the correct name, the simple fact remains that Dark Falz is not a mistranslation. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:52, 13 May 2008 (CDT)
 ** I wasn't sure what to do with it, so I made a new "Incorrectly regarded as translation errors" section (I felt it would be helpful to explain that, since I've seen Dark Force used all too often and that's part of the reason I thought Force was the correct translation), if you think there's a better way to point that out, or if it doesn't belong there at all, then feel free to do whatever with it [[User:Jeff Paine|Jeff Paine]] 12:07, 13 May 2008 (CDT)
 == Categories of Translation Errors ==

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 * As a sidenote, I checked it out for myself and it appears it's only in PSU that the kana is ダーク・ファルス, in everything else (I checked PS1-2, the remakes of those, and PSO) it appears to be ダークファルス. Doesn't really change my argument since both mean 'Dark Falz' (although the latter could be 'Darkfalz'), but I thought it interesting they changed it slightly for PSU. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:52, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I noticed that you changed the article, Jeff Paine, but I disagree with Dark Falz even being in the article as a translation error. Not to mention that the current entry still implies Dark Falz is a mistranslation (it's not, for reasons that have been explained). Maybe there's a call for a seperate section for contested translations but whether you think Dark Falz or Dark Force is the correct name, the simple fact remains that Dark Falz is not a mistranslation. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:52, 13 May 2008 (CDT)
-** I wasn't sure what to do with it, so I made a new "Incorrectly regarded as translation errors" section (I felt it would be helpful to explain that, since I've seen Dark Force used all too often and that's part of the reason I thought Force was the correct translation), if you think there's a better way to point that out, or if it doesn't belong there at all, then feel free to do whatever with it
+** I wasn't sure what to do with it, so I made a new "Incorrectly regarded as translation errors" section (I felt it would be helpful to explain that, since I've seen Dark Force used all too often and that's part of the reason I thought Force was the correct translation), if you think there's a better way to point that out, or if it doesn't belong there at all, then feel free to do whatever with it [[User:Jeff Paine|Jeff Paine]] 12:07, 13 May 2008 (CDT)
 == Categories of Translation Errors ==

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 * As a sidenote, I checked it out for myself and it appears it's only in PSU that the kana is ダーク・ファルス, in everything else (I checked PS1-2, the remakes of those, and PSO) it appears to be ダークファルス. Doesn't really change my argument since both mean 'Dark Falz' (although the latter could be 'Darkfalz'), but I thought it interesting they changed it slightly for PSU. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:52, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I noticed that you changed the article, Jeff Paine, but I disagree with Dark Falz even being in the article as a translation error. Not to mention that the current entry still implies Dark Falz is a mistranslation (it's not, for reasons that have been explained). Maybe there's a call for a seperate section for contested translations but whether you think Dark Falz or Dark Force is the correct name, the simple fact remains that Dark Falz is not a mistranslation. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:52, 13 May 2008 (CDT)
 == Categories of Translation Errors ==

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 This has been bothering me for a while. Am I correct to assume that Stag Cutralli is a mistranslation, and not a deliberate change? I checked the JP wiki, which lists スタッグカットラリ (SUTAGGUKATTORARI), but I know no Japanese, so that looks to me like it could be either Cutlery or Cutralli (or Cutrary, or Cutreri, etc.). I do see that the JP name has no space in it, though, since there's no interpunct. Anyway, could either Espio or Mewn or another moonrunes reader indulge my curiosity on this? Thanks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I'm kind of on the fence about this one.  As far as the Japanese name goes, it's the same for both ''PSU'' and ''PSO''.  By that, the Cutralli could be grouped together with things like Jigo Booma and Shato in that they're not technically wrong, but just inconsistent with previous localizations.  However, since "cutlery" is a real word (unlike "Shato" and "Jigo Booma"), I'm more inclined to say it's a mistranslation. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:45, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 == Re: Anti/Reverser ==

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		+	== Stag ==
		+	This has been bothering me for a while. Am I correct to assume that Stag Cutralli is a mistranslation, and not a deliberate change? I checked the JP wiki, which lists スタッグカットラリ (SUTAGGUKATTORARI), but I know no Japanese, so that looks to me like it could be either Cutlery or Cutralli (or Cutrary, or Cutreri, etc.). I do see that the JP name has no space in it, though, since there's no interpunct. Anyway, could either Espio or Mewn or another moonrunes reader indulge my curiosity on this? Thanks. --[[User:Qwerty\|Qwerty]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
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	== Re: Anti/Reverser ==		== Re: Anti/Reverser ==
	In the Japanese version, Reverser is known as Regene (レジェネ) while Antimates are known as Antimates. - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 12 May 2008 (CDT)		In the Japanese version, Reverser is known as Regene (レジェネ) while Antimates are known as Antimates. - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

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 ** Considering the correction notes for Go Bajilla, Jigo Booma, Shato, Yasminakov 0002, Agtaride and Defbaride, it seems somewhat contradictory to see "Dark Force" argue the exact opposite as a "correction". Perhaps, where relevant, we need to mention what JP did (e.g. De Ragan and "De Rolei" were changed from PSO, and Dark Falz was not. But for us, "De Rol Le" was changed too). - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:18, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * Mewn's right.  Were its name intended to be "Dark Force," then in Japanese it should've been ダーク・フォース (da-ku fo-su).  I just found a video of the Falz battle in the Japanese version of ''PSI'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngcycp6Y4UM) to verify the name, and it is indeed ダーク・ファルス (da-ku farusu).  Now, if one were to be literal, ファルス could be translated as "farce" or even "phallus" (seriously, not making that up), but I doubt "Dark Penis" is what the developers intended.  Anyway, when ''PSI'' was localized, the boss in question was named "Darkfalz," with its name changing in English to "Dark Force" with the following three games, despite remaining ダーク・ファルス in the Japanese versions.  So technically "Dark Force" is an official name, but the ''original'' name would've been "Darkfalz." - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:11, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 == Categories of Translation Errors ==