Talk:Enemy spawn charts - Revision history

Amaury at 13:02, 17 June 2008

2008-06-17T13:02:47Z

S-T-H: /* Future? */

2008-06-17T10:55:25Z

‎Future?

S-T-H: /* Future? */

2008-06-17T08:48:32Z

‎Future?

S-T-H: /* Does anyone believe it? */

2008-06-17T08:12:44Z

‎Does anyone believe it?

S-T-H: /* Rare Monsters Page Overhaul? */ Almost there...

2008-06-17T08:02:12Z

‎Rare Monsters Page Overhaul?: Almost there...

S-T-H: /* Confirmations */

2008-06-17T07:56:19Z

‎Confirmations

S-T-H: /* Asking for suggestion */

2008-06-17T07:55:02Z

‎Asking for suggestion

S-T-H: /* Black Heart Spawn? */

2008-06-17T07:53:48Z

‎Black Heart Spawn?

S-T-H: /* Seed-Venus? */

2008-06-17T07:50:07Z

‎Seed-Venus?

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2008-06-17T07:49:00Z

‎"Train track room"?

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	<font size="144" color="red">Sign your comments.</font> - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 19:58, 10 May 2007 (BST)		<font size="144" color="red">Sign your comments.</font> - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 19:58, 10 May 2007 (BST)
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	** Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now. Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in). There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages. I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)		** Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now. Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in). There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages. I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
	*** The 'longness' of this page was knocked down from the top 5 to #126. Considering that it's #4 for hits, it'll hopefully save a good amount on bandwidth. Now all that has to be done is making sure the chart stays up to date. I'll leave the 'S2's to you as you came up with the format. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 03:48, 17 June 2008 (CDT)		*** The 'longness' of this page was knocked down from the top 5 to #126. Considering that it's #4 for hits, it'll hopefully save a good amount on bandwidth. Now all that has to be done is making sure the chart stays up to date. I'll leave the 'S2's to you as you came up with the format. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 03:48, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
		+	*** Alright, it's up to 121 now size wise, but I think we'll be good with this for awhile. All you really have to do now is take a look through the S ranks and confirm your S2 ranks. If you can, please look at the talk pages after finishing and remove any unnecessary comments. I think I spotted a few while carrying them over. Outside of the discussion above (which might not have been figured out yet, I don't know), I set us up with a fresh talk page. Everything else has been moved to more relevant sections or has been cleared for being generally useless or/and outdated. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 05:55, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

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	* Just transferred over the chart for True Darkness for kicks. (Drop in the bucket and all that, right? XD) I'll try to work on transferring more of these over in the next few days; though I might not focus on the formatting for some of them since it can be a bit tedious. - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 23:33, 16 June 2008 (CDT)		* Just transferred over the chart for True Darkness for kicks. (Drop in the bucket and all that, right? XD) I'll try to work on transferring more of these over in the next few days; though I might not focus on the formatting for some of them since it can be a bit tedious. - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 23:33, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
	** Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now. Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in). There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages. I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)		** Oh, please don't worry about formatting for now. Let's just get all the charts moved over (in whatever condition they're in). There already exists a variety of formats for charts on the individual pages. I just want to avoid any more charts being updated in both places (or even worse only in one). They'll be properly marked with the progress chart when things are about done on this end. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 23:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
		+	*** The 'longness' of this page was knocked down from the top 5 to #126. Considering that it's #4 for hits, it'll hopefully save a good amount on bandwidth. Now all that has to be done is making sure the chart stays up to date. I'll leave the 'S2's to you as you came up with the format. [[User:S-T-H\|S-T-H]] 03:48, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

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 ***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)
 ***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)
+* This seems to have run its course.  I could be wrong, but I have to think that the discrepancies here have been resolved. I won't remove it myself until we're sure on this one.  [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:12, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
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	***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)		***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)
	***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)		***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)
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−	I've noticed a couple of things with the Rare Monsters page. Firstly, it's huge. This can make it difficult to navigate from within the page, though there is always the option of clicking on the menu at the top of the page to go to your desired mission. However, there's a lot of other things that I feel could be done to improve it.
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−	* 1) Splitting the page into 4 pages, one for each major location. ie: The colony, and each of the planets. This could be taken further, such as giving each mission its own seperate page, and having the 'planetary' pages load tables for each of the missions, as they appear on the mission's page.
−	* 2) If we do choose to give each mission's spawn table it's own page, we could add the option to 'show all missions that have X monster as the rare spawn'. This could be useful for anyone seeking something that drops from a given rare monster, but doesn't know exactly which missions that monster may spawn in.
−	* 3) Standardising the spawn table layout. The layouts are similar when viewed on the page, but there are several minor inconsistencies. These include slightly different column layouts, and table borders.
−	* 4) The code behind the page is sometimes horrid to navigate. This is fairly common with collaborated works such as this wiki, but there's much that can be done to improve it. At the very least, this code could be standardised so that when new missions are added, there's only one layout to use as a template for new spawn charts. This would address both point 3 and point 4.
−	* 5) Some of the tables feature monster names that link to a page giving information on that monster. Many don't. I don't see a reason why they can't all share that functionality, other than it will take a little work to add brackets to them all.
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−	I'm happy to do this work myself. But I don't want to make changes as large as this without first getting permission from those who manage the site, and getting feedback from people who use this part of the site regularly. I'm also open to any suggestions as to possible further improvements. Any ideas and/or suggestions? [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 06:49, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* Actually, pretty much all of this is in the works right now. We've already set up individual mission pages which can be accessed by clicking on the mission name (within the article, not in the table of contents). Each page includes various mission data as well as a spawn chart. Not all of them have been filled in yet, however. Also, a standard spawn chart style is going to be implemented very soon. One was discussed about a week ago, no one objected, so now it'll be put into place. ([[The_PSUPedia_talk:Manual_of_style#Enemy_spawn_chart\|Discussion is here]] while a [[Sandbox:Enemy_spawn_chart\|mock-up chart is here]].) - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 07:34, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* Ahh excellent, thank you. I didn't know that was there.. Possibly because I didn't know where to look. xD Well, I'll reiterate that I'm happy to help with the workload. I'll also leave this topic here for now so that others who come here looking for this info, at least know something is happening. Thanks! [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 08:27, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* To my knowledge, we've not decided whether this article'll be split or go altogether. But splitting it by rare enemy "to see which missions have them" should already be done by the pages of the rare enemies themselves, no? See [[Delsaban]], unless the ideals for enemy pages has changed since then. Personally, I'd expect the page to move to "Rare enemies" once the missions' spawn charts are all moved over and standardised, and then this page to either turn all its spawn charts to link directly to the ones in those missions' sections (to prevent large-scale duplication) and also to the pages of the rare enemies themselves, '''or''' for the page to be split by planet and keep the spawn charts. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 08:47, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* Hmm a good point, though I was thinking more of the convenience of having all spawn charts for a given monster on one page. Still, it's no fuss to navigate two pages every time you switch missions. On the topic of the article being split, would it not be simple to have three forms of it? One page with a complete listing, one set of pages sorted by planet, and of course the individual missions themselves? The 'planetary' and 'complete listing' pages could just load the individual missions into their own, which as you've suggested should solve any duplication issues. One of the issues I was attempting to address though, was the sheer size of the complete listing we have now. It can be horrid to scroll through purely because of its length. [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 09:09, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* Yeah, I'm not fond of the "all in one article" format now that we have so many missions. The guy hosting this has noted that such massive articles cause a larger than proportional server load. Hence the either linking straight to mission articles (which as noted, the enemies themselves should do) or splitting per planet despite duplication. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 10:19, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	** To help ease server loads, we should try our best to take away from this article as much as possible, then. I believe that originally we'd linked directly to spawn charts in individual mission articles here (with a link saying "spawn chart here!" or something to that effect) until someone came by and put the charts back in while removing the link. If we enforce this method of linking directly to the mission article's chart, this might help get visitors used to charts being in articles as opposed to this massive page as well as cut down on server strain since this is one of the most popular articles of the site. - [[User:EspioKaos\|EspioKaos]] 10:35, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	** I suppose the question then would be: Do we have seperate, linked articles for each mission and its spawn chart, or just one article per mission that includes both? I've seen EspioKaos' proposed mission information article (nice work btw!), and it doesn't seem that adding the spawn chart there would be a bad idea. Most people visiting that article would likely be looking for the chart anyway. [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 12:25, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	* Um, most missions '''already''' have their spawn charts... - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 13:23, 28 December 2007 (CST)
−	** Oh, oops. I had forgotten that EspioKaos had mentioned that above. xD Oh wells. If there's anything you can point me to that needs to be worked on, I'm happy to offer my services. Otherwise I'll just stick to updating with new info as I find it. =D [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 14:46, 28 December 2007 (CST)
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−	* Would it be possible to add a system where people can confirm if they have found a rare map using the information on this page? maybe after a certain level of confirmation prevent that map from being changed indefinitely?
−	* Also I would be up for working out the whole earliest-possible-rare-run-determining thing but it would have to be sometime after firebreak, preferably during summer break, if it's not already done by then. [[User:12\|12]] 21:34, 30 April 2007 (BST)
−	* I adore this idea. This page has been hit far too much by vandalism, people mistakenly posting wrong variations, and people deleting correct variations just because they didn't realise that "The B-X I got 100 times today and no rare" was really B-1 that had the same enemies up to the rare monsters. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 19:50, 10 May 2007 (BST)

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	***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)		***** The current system works fine for Sakura Blast. I've found Jigos on both B/C and A/S layouts, using the system and spawns we have listed now. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:17, 7 January 2008 (CST)
	***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)		***** Thanks for the confirmation, Beatrixkiddo. It's nice to know my effort wasn't entirely wasted (since I do still plan to hunt a Neiclaw, and don't really want to create a new spawn chart for the same mission a second time >.<) Still, for the other cases - ie: the -4 and -X2 variants - I'm inclined to believe the spawns that ''don't'' match the JP wiki at all, are probably entirely incorrect. That said, I also know for a fact that incorrect spawn information has been quoted from the JP wiki in the recent past. I suppose we'll need more information on all of these 'odd looking' spawn sets before we go about deleting thim... Is anyone here planning to hunt rappies/Jaggos? ^^; - [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 03:44, 8 January 2008 (CST)
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−	Would you prefer I translate all missions over from The Japanese wiki? I heard lots of people were having problems getting them to work so I thought maybe it would be better if people add the data themselves for it...
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−	~~But it doesn't look like it is being done, so should I translate the rest over or just make empty sections for people to add? [[User:Fiethron\|Fiethron]] 21:37, 7 January 2007 (CST)~~
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−	*The more information, the better. So I think a translation would be helpful [[User:Kitomi\|Kitomi]] 06:08, 8 January 2007 (CST)

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−	* I've read around this wonderful site for information on the Black Heart item, and it seems Deljabans drop them. I've also found the spawn set for them for Dark Satellite and the following mission ((Total brainfart...)) and was wondering if there was a spawn group in the middle of one of the blocks that triggered one of the Deljabans to drop the Black Heart? There are rumors about how if one of the blocks has seven total monsters in each room, you get a Black Heart drop. BUT, seeing as how it's a rumor, I've come here for proof. My character names are Ragnarok Knight, Caboose, and Skeith.[[User:Ragnarok Knight\|Ragnarok Knight]] 02:31, 20 April 2007 (BST)
−	** Deljabans are just the name of the S-Difficulty variant of regular Delsaban. The monster that drops the Black Heart is called Darbelan. - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 19:50, 10 May 2007 (BST)
−	** Thank you Miraglyth. Now back to the original question: Is there a specific spawn set to make the Darbelans drop the Black Heart, or is it randomized? [[User:Ragnarok Knight\|Ragnarok Knight]] 22:28, 28 May 2007 (BST)
−	** It's randomized. There's no particular spawn that will make Darbelans drop Black Heart, it's just luck and any Darbelan can potentially drop it. [[User:Mewn\|Mewn]] 00:18, 29 May 2007 (BST)
−	** Is there a higher chance of getting a rare of a higer class mission and also the rare level setout seems to be more common when i do S rank missions!!! Please if anyone knows about how these are effected that be great? [[User:Melfice\|Melfice]] 19:56, 17 July 2007 (BST)
−	*** All difficulties of the mission have the same odds of a rare map appearing. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 19:59, 17 July 2007 (BST)
−	**** Sorry what i mean is does Deljaban have the same blackheart drop rate in all difficulties? [[User:Melfice\|Melfice]] 18.43, 19 July 2007 (BST)
−	***** Deljaban is the wrong enemy =p Darbelan is what drops it. And they drop it on any difficulty with the same drop rate. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 18:47, 19 July 2007 (BST)

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	**** Sorry what i mean is does Deljaban have the same blackheart drop rate in all difficulties? [[User:Melfice\|Melfice]] 18.43, 19 July 2007 (BST)		**** Sorry what i mean is does Deljaban have the same blackheart drop rate in all difficulties? [[User:Melfice\|Melfice]] 18.43, 19 July 2007 (BST)
	***** Deljaban is the wrong enemy =p Darbelan is what drops it. And they drop it on any difficulty with the same drop rate. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 18:47, 19 July 2007 (BST)		***** Deljaban is the wrong enemy =p Darbelan is what drops it. And they drop it on any difficulty with the same drop rate. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo\|Beatrixkiddo]] 18:47, 19 July 2007 (BST)
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−	* SEED-Venas is a rather special monster, at least for the time being. It appears only in the new online story mission (2-8: Flash of Ruin), where it chases you from room to room and cannot be injured. Its attack pattern is identical to that of SEED-Magashi, a boss of the offline story. SEED-Venas is not a rare monster, though, at least not for the time being. --[[User:Qwerty\|Qwerty]] 16:40, 28 April 2007 (BST)

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	* Um, most missions '''already''' have their spawn charts... - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 13:23, 28 December 2007 (CST)		* Um, most missions '''already''' have their spawn charts... - [[User:Miraglyth\|Miraglyth]] 13:23, 28 December 2007 (CST)
	** Oh, oops. I had forgotten that EspioKaos had mentioned that above. xD Oh wells. If there's anything you can point me to that needs to be worked on, I'm happy to offer my services. Otherwise I'll just stick to updating with new info as I find it. =D [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 14:46, 28 December 2007 (CST)		** Oh, oops. I had forgotten that EspioKaos had mentioned that above. xD Oh wells. If there's anything you can point me to that needs to be worked on, I'm happy to offer my services. Otherwise I'll just stick to updating with new info as I find it. =D [[User:Spirit\|Spirit]] 14:46, 28 December 2007 (CST)
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−	Can someone please clarify for me which room this phrase refers to? Is it the dead end room where the Key drops, or is it the room before that, with the platform with the barrels on it? I'm referring to the C-X spawn set, by the way.[[User:212.32.77.163\|212.32.77.163]] 13:34, 14 December 2006 (PST)
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−	Train track room is the room where the key is. The other map which just has '''train tracks''' is the actual track part. So for C-X, it is the small room. [[User:Fiethron\|Fiethron]] 06:39, 15 December 2006 (PST)
−	* Do you mean the room with the small path down onto the tracks or the T-junction's right side where it has around 3 sets of mobs spawn, which overlooks the train tracks? --[[User:JubeiSaotome\|JubeiSaotome]] 06:43, 15 December 2006 (PST)
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−	*the room onto the tracks where the key spawns... --[[User:Dark Dajin\|Dark Dajin]] 14:53, 25 December 2006 (CST)
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