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TENORA WORKS Shop

2008-06-04T23:07:42Z

Sekani: New page: This store in Dagora City hawks the wares of the TENORA WORKS Corporation, a company that modifies their weapons in order to provide maximum power at the expense of PP efficiency. ...

This store in [[Dagora City]] hawks the wares of the [[TENORA WORKS]] Corporation, a company that modifies their weapons in order to provide maximum power at the expense of PP efficiency. They specialize in heavy weapons like [[axes]] and [[shotguns]], and are also the sole manufacturer of [[whips|photon whips]]. The counter in the rear is used to upgrade TENORA weapons, and the three merchants standing around the center pillar sell Photon Art discs.
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Units
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Car / Guard]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Legs]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Guard]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Guard]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Stella / Legs]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Wall]] || 4★ || align="right" | 14500
|-
| [[Mega / Rainbow]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Tero / Guard]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Armor
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Rabol Damud]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rabol Perpa]] || 2★ || {{ground}} 18% || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Rabol Ridia]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Rabol Stella]] || 3★ || {{dark}} 17% || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Rabol Midra]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Rabol Mega]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rabol Welda]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rabol Giga]] || 5★ || {{ground}} 23% || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Rabol Patte]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Rabol Tero]] || 6★ || {{dark}} 21% || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Rabol Danga]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Rabol Hard]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 210000
|-
| [[Rabol Solid]] || 8★ || {{ground}} 18% || align="right" | 360000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons (left)
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Sodad]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Soda Gigassa]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Soda Brekka]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Soda Clayma]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Soda Caliba]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Soda Accas]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Soda Hazzo]] || 7★ || {{fire}} 26% || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Gudda Nukel]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gudda Fest]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Gudda Brana]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Gudda Waya]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gudda Ribat]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Gudda Greta]] || 6★ || {{light}} 23% || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Gudda Breba]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Gudda Godda]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Mukpear]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Mukuke]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Mukpat]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Mukalbe]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Mukrudi]] || 5★ || {{lightning}} 24% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Mukarad]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Mugungri]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Mukfet]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Ank Tomho]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ank Barde]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Al Sevara]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Alseva Brada]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Alseva Bata]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Alseva Palassa]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Alseva Drada]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Alseva Falsan]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Al Daga]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Al Naf]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Aldaga Steg]] || 3★ || {{lightning}} 21% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Aldaga Sank]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Aldaga Rippa]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Aldaga Sabba]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Arza Breboa]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Sevara]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Seva Brada]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Seva Sata]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Seva Palassa]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Seva Drada]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Seva Falsan]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Daga Daga]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Daga Naf]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Daga Steg]] || 3★ || {{lightning}} 22% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Daga Sank]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Daga Rippa]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Daga Sababba]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Vish]] || 7★ || {{lightning}} 28% || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Vish]] || 7★ || {{ground}} 28% || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons-right
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Shigga Damud]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Shigga Spud]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Shigga Wadda]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Shigga Bigul]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Shigga Amza]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Shigga Stam]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Shigga Boma]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Shigga Brada]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Gur Neda]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Gur Napam]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Arb Had]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Arb Pam]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Arb Oga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Arb Roga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Arb Biga]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Arb Rega]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Arb Magana]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[B'duki Had]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[B'duki Pam]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[B'duki Oga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[B'duki Roga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[B'duki Be]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[B'duki Re]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[B'duki Magana]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Cubo Upinde]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Cubo Dunga]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Maggan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Magga Aza]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Magga Gres]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Magga Rit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Magga Gat]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Magga Bar]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Magga S'bina]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[W'ganga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[W'gasta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[W'ganba]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[W'gasep]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[W'gacan]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[W'gacros]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
 
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ '''Items'''
! Item !! Rarity !! Price !! Item max
|-
| [[Monomate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Dimate]] || 2★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Trimate]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Star Atomizer]] || 6★ || align="right" | 1500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Antimate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 100 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Sol Atomizer]] || 4★ || align="right" | 250 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Moon Atomizer]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Scape Doll]] || 8★ || align="right" | 5000 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Agtaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Defbaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Retaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Zodiaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Megistaride]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Photon Charge]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Burn Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 75 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Poison Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 70 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Confusion Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Sleep Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Virus Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 80 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Shock Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Silence Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap G]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 450 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Freeze Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Poison Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 400 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Confusion Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Sleep Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Virus Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Shock Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Silence Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Stun Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Spinning Break]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tornado Break]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Danga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Zubba]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Dus Daggas]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Dus Robado]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Spiral Dance]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Gravity Dance]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Redda]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Dugrega]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Assault Crush]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rising Crush]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Moubu Seiren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Renkai Buyou-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bukuu Rensen-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Renzan Seidan-ga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Gravity Strike]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Rising Strike]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Buten Shuren-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Visshi Grudda]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Chikki Kyoren-jin]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Burning Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boma Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Frozen Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Plasma Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Grav Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Rising Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Dark Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Twin Burn]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Freeze]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Plasma]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Grav]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Rising]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Twin Dark]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Burning Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Yak Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Ensei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Reisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Raisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Jisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Yousei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Insei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Ensei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Reisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Raisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Jisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yousei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Insei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Foie]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rafoie]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damfoie]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gifoie]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Shifta]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Jellen]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Barta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rabarta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Dambarta]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gibarta]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Deband]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zalure]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Zonde]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Razonde]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Gizonde]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Zodial]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zoldeel]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Radiga]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damdiga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gidiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Resta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Reverser]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Retier]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Ramegid]] || 2★ || align="right" | 4500
|-
| [[Dammegid]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

Yohmei Shop

2008-06-03T23:26:56Z

Sekani: New page: Located on Ohtoku City, the Yohmei Shop is the showcase for the Yohmei Corporation's weapons and line shields. They specialize in equipment designed for TECHNIC-using [[...

Located on [[Ohtoku City]], the Yohmei Shop is the showcase for the [[Yohmei|Yohmei Corporation's]] weapons and line shields. They specialize in equipment designed for [[TECHNIC]]-using [[types]]; however they have branched out into firearms and heavy weaponry as well, providing an alternative which sacrifices raw power for increased PP efficiency. The grind counter in the center of the store is used to upgrade Yohmei weapons.
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Units
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Cara / Force]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Cara / Mind]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Hel / Force]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Hel / Mind]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Sta / Force]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sta / Mind]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Gi / Magic]] || 5★ || align="right" | 19000
|-
| [[Me / HP Restore]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Armor
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Yoi-senba]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Hel-senba]] || 2★ || {{dark}} 23% || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Yonoi-senba]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Sta-senba]] || 3★ || {{light}} 22% || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Reiha-senba]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Me-senba]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Ageha-senba]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gi-senba]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 28% || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Assino-senba]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Te-senba]] || 6★ || {{light}} 27% || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Hoza-senba]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Har-senba]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 210000
|-
| [[Sori-senba]] || 8★ || {{ice}} 11% || align="right" | 360000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons (left)
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Saud]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gigasaud]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brekaud]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Claymaud]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Calaud]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ascaud]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Neacle]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Histacle]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brassacle]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Wirecle]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Rivetacle]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Gretacle]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Brebacle]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Spinata]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Pikenata]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Lacanata]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Parzanata]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Halbenata]] || 5★ || {{fire}} 28% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Berdynata]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Gungnata]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ohsohbra]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Matohonoh]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ryo-Sabra]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Ryo-Branera]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Ryo-Basta]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Ryo-Palasra]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ryo-Deran]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ryo-Slasha]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Ryo-Sabed]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ryo-Dagan]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" |350
|-
| [[Ryo-Nafli]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Ryo-Stizashi]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Ryo-Sagazashi]] || 4★ || {{fire}} 30% || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Assino-zashi]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Tsisava-zashi]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Shintsuki-zashi]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Nokoku-zashi]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Ryo-Misaki]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Mijin-Misaki]] || 8★ || {{dark}} 34% || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Sabra]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Branera]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Bastara]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Palasra]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Derdira]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falchiora]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Murasamera]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Dagan-zashi]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Nafli-zashi]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Stina-zashi]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Sakano-zashi]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ripa-zashi]] || 5★ || {{fire}} 31% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Sava-zashi]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Asami-zashi]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Mimimi-zashi]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Misaki]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ga-Misaki]] || 8★ || {{dark}} 35% || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Hiken]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons (right)
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Raihoh]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Snihoh]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brahoh]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Saiyuhoh]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Burzaihoh]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falgohoh]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Haktsurahoh]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Sandanoh]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Bradanoh]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Ryokadanoh]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Higredanoh]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Anzadanoh]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Suzakidanoh]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Alteri]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Dalteri]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Compadri]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Rikalbari]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Baybari]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Hikauri]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Hanmateri]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Roksari]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Kouhakanoh]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ryo-Pistatore]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Ryo-Powertore]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Ryo-Ortotore]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Ryo-Louktore]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ryo-Betatore]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ryo-Rayratore]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Ryo-Bimtore]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Pistatore]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Powertore]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Ortotore]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Louktore]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Betatore]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rayratore]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Bimtore]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Yurasogi]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Kikami]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Ageha-kikami]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Rod]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Ulrod]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Rayharod]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Slyrod]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Hajirod]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Tomoirod]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Granarod]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Mayrod]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Wandra]] || 1★ || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Starra]] || 2★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Batnara]] || 3★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Septara]] || 4★ || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Canara]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Crozara]] || 6★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Cometara]] || 7★ || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Lidra]] || 8★ || align="right" | 165000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
 
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Items
! Item !! Rarity !! Price !! Item max
|-
| [[Monomate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Dimate]] || 2★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Trimate]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Star Atomizer]] || 6★ || align="right" | 1500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Antimate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 100 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Sol Atomizer]] || 4★ || align="right" | 250 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Moon Atomizer]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Scape Doll]] || 8★ || align="right" | 5000 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Agtaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Defbaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Retaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Zodiaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Megistaride]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Photon Charge]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Burn Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 75 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Poison Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 70 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Confusion Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Sleep Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Virus Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 80 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Shock Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Silence Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap G]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 450 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Freeze Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Poison Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 400 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Confusion Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Sleep Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Virus Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Shock Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Silence Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Stun Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Spinning Break]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tornado Break]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Danga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Zubba]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Dus Daggas]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Dus Robado]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Spiral Dance]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Gravity Dance]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Redda]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Dugrega]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Assault Crush]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rising Crush]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Moubu Seiren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Renkai Buyou-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bukuu Rensen-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Renzan Seidan-ga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Gravity Strike]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Rising Strike]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Buten Shuren-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Visshi Grudda]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Chikki Kyoren-jin]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Burning Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boma Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Frozen Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Plasma Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Grav Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Rising Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Dark Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Twin Burn]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Freeze]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Plasma]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Grav]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Rising]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Twin Dark]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Burning Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Yak Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Ensei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Reisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Raisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Jisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Yousei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Insei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Ensei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Reisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Raisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Jisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yousei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Insei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Foie]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rafoie]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damfoie]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gifoie]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Shifta]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Jellen]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Barta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rabarta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Dambarta]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gibarta]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Deband]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zalure]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Zonde]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Razonde]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Gizonde]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Zodial]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zoldeel]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Radiga]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damdiga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gidiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Resta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Reverser]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Retier]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Ramegid]] || 2★ || align="right" | 4500
|-
| [[Dammegid]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

G.R.M. Shop

2008-06-02T21:10:05Z

Sekani: One of these things just doesn't belong here...

Currently the largest shop in the Gurhal System, the G.R.M. Shop is located in the [[G.R.M.]] Headquarters in the West District of [[Holtes City]]. Their selection of weapons and armor is unmatched, and some weapon types (such as [[TCSMs]]) can only be purchased here. This is also the only manufacturer shop that sells [[SUV]] units. The grind counter in the back can be used to upgrade G.R.M.-branded weapons.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Armor
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Lightline]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Perpaline]] || 2★ || {{fire}} 21% || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Brandline]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Stellaline]] || 3★ || {{lightning}} 20% || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Busterline]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Megaline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Zeetline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigaline]] || 5★ || {{fire}} 26% || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Cresline]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Teroline]] || 6★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Midiline]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Hardline]] || 7★ || {{fire}} 31% || align="right" | 210000
|-
| [[Solid Line]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 360000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Units
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Car / Power]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Power]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Hit]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Hit S]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Knight]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Mega / Power]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tero / Hit]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Mega / Stamina]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Hegel Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Rafal Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Blitz Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Grom Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sturm Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Meteor Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigas Espada]] || 6★ || align="right" | 7000
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]] || 6★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Hegel Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Rafal Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Blitz Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Grom Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Meteor Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 100000
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 120000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price

|-
| [[Sword]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gigush]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 20% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Breaker]] || 3★ || {{ground}} 20% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Claymore]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Calibur]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 25% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ascalon]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Hanzo]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Jogiri]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Knuckles]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Fists]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brass Knuckles]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Wire Gloves]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Rivet Gloves]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Graters]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Spear]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Pike]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Lance]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Partizan]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Halbert]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Berdys]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Double Saber]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Bone Dance]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Brand]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Dual Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Slasher]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 22% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Durandal]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Death Dancer]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Sharp Twins]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Dagger]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Knife]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 23% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Twin Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Last Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Dual Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Brand]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Durandal]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 26% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falchion]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Jitseen]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Rapier]] || 8★ || {{ice}} 29% || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Dagger]] || 1★ || {{ice}} 24% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Knife]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Rapid Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Rifle]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Sniper]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Blaster]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Shooter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Vullseye]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falcon]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Assasin]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Burst]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Longbow]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Arrow Shooter]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Tiller Look]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Bow Genshi]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Lumars]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Izlucre]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Blanc Grenade]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Laser Cannon]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Maser Cannon]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Bulletmaster]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Evil Twins]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beamgun]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Raygun]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Card Fante]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Machinegun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Assault]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Greasegun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Repeater]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gatling]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Vulcan]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beam Vulcan]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Yasminakov 0002]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Duke]] || 1★ || {{fire}} 18% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Giduke]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Raduke]] || 3★ || {{light}} 23% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Giraduke]] || 4★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Goraduke]] || 5★ || {{ground}} 27% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogaduke]] || 6★ || {{dark}} 30% || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Yactdike]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[GRM Rod]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Helixen]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Luciel]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Strega]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Marguisa]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Viedima]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Wand]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Staff]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Baton]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Scepter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Cane]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Crozier]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Prest]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Pit]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gipit]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Rapit]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Girapit]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gorapit]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogapit]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Pegi]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ '''Items'''
! Item !! Rarity !! Price !! Item max
|-
| [[Monomate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Dimate]] || 2★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Trimate]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Star Atomizer]] || 6★ || align="right" | 1500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Antimate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 100 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Sol Atomizer]] || 4★ || align="right" | 250 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Moon Atomizer]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Scape Doll]] || 8★ || align="right" | 5000 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Agtaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Defbaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Retaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Zodiaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Megistaride]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Photon Charge]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Burn Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 75 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Poison Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 70 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Confusion Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Sleep Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Virus Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 80 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Shock Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Silence Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap G]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 450 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Freeze Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Poison Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 400 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Confusion Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Sleep Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Virus Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Shock Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Silence Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Stun Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Spinning Break]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tornado Break]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Danga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Zubba]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Dus Daggas]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Dus Robado]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Spiral Dance]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Gravity Dance]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Redda]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Dugrega]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Assault Crush]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rising Crush]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Moubu Seiren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Renkai Buyou-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bukuu Rensen-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Renzan Seidan-ga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Gravity Strike]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Rising Strike]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Buten Shuren-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Visshi Grudda]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Chikki Kyoren-jin]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Burning Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boma Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Frozen Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Plasma Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Grav Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Rising Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Dark Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Twin Burn]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Freeze]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Plasma]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Grav]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Rising]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Twin Dark]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Burning Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Yak Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Ensei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Reisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Raisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Jisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Yousei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Insei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Ensei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Reisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Raisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Jisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yousei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Insei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Foie]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rafoie]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damfoie]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gifoie]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Shifta]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Jellen]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Barta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rabarta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Dambarta]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gibarta]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Deband]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zalure]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Zonde]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Razonde]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Gizonde]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Zodial]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zoldeel]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Radiga]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damdiga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gidiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Resta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Reverser]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Retier]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Ramegid]] || 2★ || align="right" | 4500
|-
| [[Dammegid]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

G.R.M. Shop

2008-06-02T20:41:19Z

Sekani:

Currently the largest shop in the Gurhal System, the G.R.M. Shop is located in the [[G.R.M.]] Headquarters in the West District of [[Holtes City]]. Their selection of weapons and armor is unmatched, and some weapon types (such as [[TCSMs]]) can only be purchased here. This is also the only manufacturer shop that sells [[SUV]] units. The grind counter in the back can be used to upgrade G.R.M.-branded weapons.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Armor
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Lightline]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Perpaline]] || 2★ || {{fire}} 21% || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Brandline]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Stellaline]] || 3★ || {{lightning}} 20% || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Busterline]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Megaline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Zeetline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigaline]] || 5★ || {{fire}} 26% || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Cresline]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Teroline]] || 6★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Midiline]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Hardline]] || 7★ || {{fire}} 31% || align="right" | 210000
|-
| [[Solid Line]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 360000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Units
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Cara / Force]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Cara / Mind]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Hel / Force]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Hel / Mind]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Sta / Force]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sta / Mind]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Gi / Magic]] || 5★ || align="right" | 19000
|-
| [[Car / Power]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Power]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Hit]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Hit S]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Knight]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Mega / Power]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tero / Hit]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Car / Guard]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Legs]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Guard]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Guard]] || 4★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Stella / Legs]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Wall]] || 4★ || align="right" | 14500
|-
| [[Mega / Rainbow]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Tero / Guard]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Mega / Stamina]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Hegel Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Rafal Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Blitz Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Grom Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sturm Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Meteor Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigas Espada]] || 6★ || align="right" | 7000
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]] || 6★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Me / HP Restore]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Hegel Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Rafal Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Blitz Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Grom Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Meteor Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 100000
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 120000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price

|-
| [[Sword]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gigush]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 20% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Breaker]] || 3★ || {{ground}} 20% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Claymore]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Calibur]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 25% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ascalon]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Hanzo]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Jogiri]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Knuckles]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Fists]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brass Knuckles]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Wire Gloves]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Rivet Gloves]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Graters]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Spear]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Pike]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Lance]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Partizan]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Halbert]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Berdys]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Double Saber]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Bone Dance]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Brand]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Dual Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Slasher]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 22% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Durandal]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Death Dancer]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Sharp Twins]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Dagger]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Knife]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 23% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Twin Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Last Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Dual Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Brand]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Durandal]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 26% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falchion]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Jitseen]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Rapier]] || 8★ || {{ice}} 29% || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Dagger]] || 1★ || {{ice}} 24% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Knife]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Rapid Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Rifle]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Sniper]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Blaster]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Shooter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Vullseye]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falcon]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Assasin]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Burst]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Longbow]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Arrow Shooter]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Tiller Look]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Bow Genshi]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Lumars]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Izlucre]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Blanc Grenade]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Laser Cannon]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Maser Cannon]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Bulletmaster]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Evil Twins]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beamgun]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Raygun]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Card Fante]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Machinegun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Assault]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Greasegun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Repeater]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gatling]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Vulcan]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beam Vulcan]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Yasminakov 0002]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Duke]] || 1★ || {{fire}} 18% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Giduke]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Raduke]] || 3★ || {{light}} 23% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Giraduke]] || 4★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Goraduke]] || 5★ || {{ground}} 27% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogaduke]] || 6★ || {{dark}} 30% || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Yactdike]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[GRM Rod]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Helixen]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Luciel]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Strega]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Marguisa]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Viedima]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Wand]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Staff]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Baton]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Scepter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Cane]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Crozier]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Prest]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Pit]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gipit]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Rapit]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Girapit]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gorapit]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogapit]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Pegi]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ '''Items'''
! Item !! Rarity !! Price !! Item max
|-
| [[Monomate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Dimate]] || 2★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Trimate]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Star Atomizer]] || 6★ || align="right" | 1500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Antimate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 100 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Sol Atomizer]] || 4★ || align="right" | 250 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Moon Atomizer]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Scape Doll]] || 8★ || align="right" | 5000 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Agtaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Defbaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Retaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Zodiaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Megistaride]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Photon Charge]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Burn Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 75 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Poison Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 70 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Confusion Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Sleep Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Virus Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 80 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Shock Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Silence Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap G]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 450 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Freeze Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Poison Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 400 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Confusion Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Sleep Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Virus Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Shock Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Silence Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Stun Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Spinning Break]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tornado Break]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Danga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Zubba]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Dus Daggas]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Dus Robado]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Spiral Dance]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Gravity Dance]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Redda]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Dugrega]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Assault Crush]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rising Crush]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Moubu Seiren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Renkai Buyou-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bukuu Rensen-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Renzan Seidan-ga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Gravity Strike]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Rising Strike]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Buten Shuren-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Visshi Grudda]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Chikki Kyoren-jin]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Burning Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boma Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Frozen Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Plasma Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Grav Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Rising Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Dark Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Twin Burn]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Freeze]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Plasma]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Grav]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Rising]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Twin Dark]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Burning Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Yak Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Ensei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Reisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Raisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Jisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Yousei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Insei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Ensei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Reisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Raisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Jisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yousei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Insei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Foie]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rafoie]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damfoie]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gifoie]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Shifta]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Jellen]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Barta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rabarta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Dambarta]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gibarta]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Deband]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zalure]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Zonde]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Razonde]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Gizonde]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Zodial]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zoldeel]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Radiga]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damdiga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gidiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Resta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Reverser]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Retier]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Ramegid]] || 2★ || align="right" | 4500
|-
| [[Dammegid]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

ROAR ROARS

2008-06-02T20:33:32Z

Sekani: New page: This clothes shop in Dagora City sells eccentric designs under the ASFA, Do-GAIM, and monivan labels. <table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <tr valign="top"><td> {| c...

This [[clothes]] shop in [[Dagora City]] sells eccentric designs under the ASFA, Do-GAIM, and monivan labels.
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ ROAR ROARS - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Gojgoj Tunic]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Boaboa Vest (female clothes)|Boaboa Vest]] || 6★ || align="right" | 32000
|-
| [[Bombom Smock]] || 4★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Bunbun Vest]] || 7★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Phasnis Vest]] || 9★ || align="right" | 52000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Top]] || 8★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Vatavara Vest]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gojgoj Shorts (female clothes)|Gojgoj Shorts]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Boaboa Pants (female clothes)|Boaboa Pants]] || 6★ || align="right" | 38000
|-
| [[Bombom Shorts]] || 4★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Bunbun Bottoms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Bottoms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Vatavara Bottoms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gojgoj Boots (female clothes)|Gojgoj Boots]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Boaboa Boots (female clothes)|Boaboa Boots]] || 6★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bombom Boots]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Robrob Boots]] || 7★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Shoes (female clothes)|Fujifiji Shoes]] || 8★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Vatavara Boots]] || 10★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Western Bottoms W]] || 9★ || align="right" | 38000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ ROAR ROARS - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Gojgoj Vest]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Necnec Vest]] || 4★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Boaboa Vest (male clothes)|Boaboa Vest]] || 6★ || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Roar Roars Vest]] || 9★ || align="right" | 38000
|-
| [[Vigor Coat]] || 8★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Vest]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Waiwad Vest]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gojgoj Shorts (male clothes)|Gojgoj Shorts]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Necnec Shorts]] || 4★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Boaboa Pants (male clothes)|Boaboa Pants]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Pants]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Waiwad Pants]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gojgoj Boots (male clothes)|Gojgoj Boots]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Necnec Short Boots]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boaboa Boots (male clothes)|Boaboa Boots]] || 6★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Fujifiji Shoes (male clothes)|Fujifiji Shoes]] || 8★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Waiwad Boots]] || 10★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Roar Roars Bottoms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 52000
|-
| [[Western Bottoms M]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

MIYA-B

2008-06-02T18:00:17Z

Sekani: New page: This fashionable store in Ohtoku City sells clothes under the MUTAN, MATOI, and MINAMO labels. <table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <tr valign="top"><td> {| class="w...

This fashionable store in [[Ohtoku City]] sells [[clothes]] under the MUTAN, MATOI, and MINAMO labels.
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ MIYA-B - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Seyagya Vest (female clothes)|Seyagya Vest]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Classica Tunic]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Karawai One-piece]] || 4★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Flaxo Jacket (female clothes)|Flaxo Jacket]] || 5★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Yorokatabra Armor]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hanaura Top]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Hulauna Jacket]] || 9★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Seyagya Shorts]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Classica Shorts]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Karawai Shorts]] || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Flaxo Pants (female clothes)|Flaxo Pants]] || 5★ || align="right" | 22500
|-
| [[Yorokatabra Shorts]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Hulauna Bottoms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Seyagya Short Boots]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Classica Boots (female clothes)|Classica Boots]] || 5★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Karawai Shoes]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Flaxo Shoes (female clothes)|Flaxo Shoes]] || 5★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Yorokatabra Boots]] || 5★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Hulauna Shoes]] || 9★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Hanaura Bottoms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Miyabi-kata (female clothes)|Miyabi-kata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ MIYA-B - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Seyagya Vest (male clothes)|Seyagya Vest]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Wakakusa Vest]] || 6★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Kusatarika Vest]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Flaxo Jacket (male clothes)|Flaxo Jacket]] || 5★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Classica Shirt]] || 4★ || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Kouze Jacket]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Kabgara Dougi]] || 9★ || align="right" | 16000
|-
| [[Seyagya Pants]] || 2★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Wakakusa Pants]] || 6★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Kusatarika Pants]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Flaxo Pants (male clothes)|Flaxo Pants]] || 5★ || align="right" | 22500
|-
| [[Classica Pants]] || 4★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Kouze Pants]] || 10★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Kabgara Hakama]] || 9★ || align="right" | 16000
|-
| [[Seyagya Shoes]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Wakakusa Shoes]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Kusatarika Shoes]] || 5★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Flaxo Shoes (male clothes)|Flaxo Shoes]] || 5★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Classica Boots (male clothes)|Classica Boots]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Kouze Shoes]] || 10★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
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The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-06-02T16:36:22Z

Sekani: /* Forums - a consultation */

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== To-do list ==
For a list of in-progress and soon-to-be-started projects at the PSUPedia, please see the following article.
* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==
=== Dual enemy drops ===
You guys may recall the recent discovery of YG-01Z BUG dropping an item that not only didn't match its current drop chart, but also one that is exclusive to ''AOTI'', a strange occurrence for a non-''AOTI''-exclusive enemy. Well, this made me think back to the Ollakas when there was some confusion about what they're supposed to drop at LV100. In White Beast they dropped [B] Nokoku-zashi, while in Moonlight Beast they dropped [B] Katsuno-zashi. I looked further into this and it seems that the division is between ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'' missions; I haven't found a case yet where they get mixed up. Another example to keep in mind is Volfu. At LV100 in Scarred Planet they drop [B] Ga-Misaki while at LV100 in The Dual Sentinel they drop [B] Giza-Misaki. (Note that at LV125, ''AOTI'' Volfus drops [B] Giza-Misaki, which can be noted in The Egg Thieves and Forest of Illusion.) Pretty soon I'm going to start adjusting drop charts to include these ''AOTI'' drops. Questions, comments, concerns? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:25, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
* Looking further into this, it seems that the dual drops always occur at LV100-124. I haven't come across any instances that do otherwise, but I won't let my guard down just yet. As far as new drop tables to display these changes, I was working on [[Template:Enemy_drop_chart|something]], but it needs a little rethinking since it's just plain massive as it is now. I'm actually leaning more toward simply doing two tables, just like with the area articles; one for ''PSU'' drops and the other for ''AOTI'' drops. And from something else I've noticed, we can likely get away with removing the LV125+ rows from the ''PSU'' table (if we do it this way) since there are no ''PSU''-accessible missions that have enemies within that range (and I seriously doubt we'll ever see such a mission). One last thing: considering this new type of drop, we may have to rethink our current weapon article drop tables to help differentiate between dual drops. If nothing else, we should be able to use reference tags to say which is which. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:21, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
** If the difference is only at lv100-124 then do a double row with different drops only for these levels. That's enough for now, isn't it? About the weapons table we can also put an icon showing the version next to the enemy name. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 01:46, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
** There's also Rappys and Jaggos, on psu v1 missions they just drop giga / skill or bullet, on aoi they drop both (giga and cati), right? - [[User:Ezodagrom|Ezodagrom]] 05:52, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
* I completely forgot that the one enemy that drew my attention back toward the possibility of dual drops has one that's below LV100. YG-01Z BUG's LV80 drop in ''AOTI'' missions differs from its ''PSU'' drop. But yeah, we could do it where only the rows which have dual drops are split and the others that drop the same item remain together. I'll probably throw together a few examples a little later so we can get some feedback on different designs. On the Rappy and Jaggo drops, I looked into it and it seems that they can drop both units from LV100-149 in either ''PSU'' or ''AOTI'' missions, no thing to really worry about there. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 08:28, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
** Hmm...but aren't cati skill and bullet aoti only units? If they are aoti only, then they wouldn't drop in psu missions, right? :/ - [[User:Ezodagrom|Ezodagrom]] 08:35, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
*** Ah, I see we've got them labeled as ''AOTI''-only; we might have to change that. The data I'm going by is from the Japanese wiki. Their drop charts for Desert Terror and Plains Overlord list the Cati units dropping from their respective rare enemy while the other ''PSU'' missions list the Giga unit. Also, I'm fairly certain there was a discussion at PSOW a few months back about this very thing. I'll have to look for the thread, but I think at least one person was able to provide proof that Cati units drop in ''PSU'' missions. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 08:50, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
*** Here's [http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139425&highlight=cati+skill the thread I was thinking of at PSOW]. Multiple people (starting with a shop owner) confirm Cati / Bullet PP Save dropping from Jaggos in Duel in the Ruins. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:01, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah but the seasonal rappies have items that only drops in aoi missions, like van brella and madam brella. So the point is still valid. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 11:09, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
* Here are [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox4|some examples]] of possible drop chart styles. I may add some more variations later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:21, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

=== Forums - a consultation ===
* This is a controversial topic and I'm by no means for them (nor am I totally against, either), but I feel as though we should explore any avenue that could help the site even if we take no action on it. I can see both pros and cons for forums, the pros being that it might enable people unfamiliar or unwilling to use a wiki to leave feedback, give us information or corrections in a forum environment that they might be more familiar with. It might also let the staff have a place where they can discuss sensitive matters in private (not sure if this can be done on the wiki, but if it can, it might be something to look at). The cons though are that bad forums may reflect badly on the site (might endanger our neutrality too, if we have such a major community element), and that effort has to be expended to moderate any forums which may prove not to be worth it in the end. The last time PSUPedia had forums they became a terrible circlejerk - the main reason why I'm personally skeptical about them. Still, feel free to discuss and debate - this is a consultation, not a vote, and nothing is binding. But if particularly compelling arguments are made and enough support to make it worthwhile comes up, it may be possible to trial forums as an experiment. At this stage though, this is just a discussion and nothing is planned. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I think it's good if it's used to talk about facts (not opinions), submit information, talk about the various projects and make polls. Other talks belong to another forum. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:38, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** This is a touchy subject. While the ancient PSUP forum was indeed a massive circlejerk, very unique circumstances brought that about (very few people used PSUP at that time, we had very little information about PSU since virtually nothing specific was known, and only like 5 people used the forum anyway). I highly doubt that a new forum would have even remotely similar results. However, I am somewhat skeptical, as I do not quite see the need for forums here. For information submission or questions, people can simply use the talk page. I do understand that many people are confused by the wiki system, but I just don't know how much of a help the forums would be. For things other than info submission and article questions, I'm not quite sure what else would be discussed that isn't also covered on the official forum, PSOW, or hell, even Diadu. It would facilitate communication between staff members here, yes, and that is probably one of the biggest positives a forum could have. As far as the community aspect, I feel it would likely be a double-edged sword. While I'm sure having forums would give a more community feel and get (potential) users more enthusiastic about PSUPedia, it is unavoidable that certain individuals would think poorly of either the general forum content or the moderation, and therefore it would leave a bad taste in their collective mouths regarding PSUPedia in general (I know some feel this way concerning PSOW). Anyway, I'm willing to hear more discussion on this topic, and I'd be open to trying forums if users seem to want them. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:01, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I remember the mess that was the forums here a few years back. After a few visits, I made sure to steer clear of them from then on. But, I think it's worth a try again since the site has improved remarkably over the years. Maintaining community neutrality is a must, but with the moderation we've carried out on the wiki, I doubt it'd be much of a problem to continue at a forum. If we can set up and stick to guidelines that state "information only" and "no trades, no guilds, no console wars, no drama, no shit," things could work out. On the other hand, strict moderation tends to piss people off or simply scare them away. The bad side of this could be giving the site a bad name with the people who want to use it to sell Meseta or their rarz or recruit guild members. Conversely, in the case of strict moderation scaring people away, it would lead to a smaller community of only the people who genuinely want to use the board for its intended purpose. All in all, I think it's worth a shot. If we decide to try it and things start going down the drain, we just pull the plug. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:43, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** @ Essen - that would be mostly the point, for discussion of objective info that will help the wiki as a site, and to encourage people to participate. The community niches are taken up by the official boards and PSOW, while Diadu has the drama niche, so I'd like to see if we can do something different.
** @ Qwerty - It's true that unique circumstances, not least the immaturity of Ahzi, Asim and Internets brought that about, but I think the danger remains of it potentially not being popular enough to be worth it. As for people thinking badly of the site because of the forums, I think that's a danger, yes, but I'm not sure that anyone who currently contributes right now will be turned off helping the site because of forums, especially if we can run them well. If people who have never contributed before do not use the site as a result of the forums, that is really not an issue for me - in my view we ought to be considering how to improve the site as a whole, not necessarily to see how many people we can get using us without contributing (whether by editing the wiki or submitting info via other means). In short, if we get, say, 10 new regular contributors helping out via forums (or even on here) and 5 people decide to not use the site because of the forums, I still think that may be worth it.
** @ Espio - The biggest problem with setting up forums is to establish a balance between helping the site and establishing a community that can help the site. I think that if the only thing we ever concentrate on is site information, no-one outside the wiki contributors will probably bother with forums. But at the same time, too much community stuff might bring in people, but would possibly make us partisan. I've no interest in this site being rivals with anyone, and I don't want 'official board sux' or 'posw sux' mentalities running through anyone who posts on PSUP (of course, people can hold private opinions, I just don't want PSUP being a staging ground for closed-minded attacks). With that in mind, should we trial forums, I would want to start with 3 public forums: 'General PSU discussion' for discussion of the game, 'PSUP discussion' for discussion about projects, corrections, help on the site etc. and 'Off-topic discussion' just to give other people something to talk about. That's all I can see us needing, at least at the start. I don't like the idea of trade forums and anything remotely like Player Matchup forums will open a guilded can of worms. I suppose the general thing we should be aiming for is 'Come for the talk, stay for the site.' As for moderation, a degree of strictness is required, so yeah, no console wars, no drama bullshit, limited flaming/trolling at the very most, and maybe a pointer that if people want to flame and troll the official boards and Diadu are far better for that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:16, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I'm assuming there probably isn't going to be many more replies, with only the regulars checking this area for stuff other people brought up. As for the image thing I believe this will only cripple the immature that somehow end up being banned. Jokes I'm fine with personally, and I believe other people here have trolled ridiculous topics elsewhere before too. Active moderation I don't really feel up to myself, but I feel like modding attitudes would be a more important issue. Either way, circumstances have indeed changed since back then. Would it be worth it? A trial period (although that probably means little more than "we're starting it but might or might not dump it again") most certainly would seem to be, since there isn't much to lose. Other than time, and personal stains of creating another potential failure (or to be arrogant and blind enough to have believed in it for that matter). I think I voted against this ages ago when the discussion came up at one point shortly after the original forums, but I don't mind anymore per se. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:07, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** OK then add a section specifically for data submission (for easier use) and make sure you can subscribe to an RSS on each sections separately. If there's all that I don't see why not try. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:28, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Ok then, since the general feeling is that we should at least try, what steps do we need to take now to set up a "trial"? I presume we will need Dream_XG's help on this, no? If for nothing else, then at least to set up a subdomain (e.g. forums.psupedia.info; I fear that failing to place it in a subdomain could cause some nasty wiki-URL side effects). When it comes to forum software, it seems to me that phpBB3 would be the obvious choice, considering it's free and other comparable packages are ridiculously priced. However, I'm open to hearing other suggestions. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:18, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** I'll speak to DreamXG, since I imagine he's an expert (there are forums on some of his other projects that I assume he set up). I'm not technically very good at setting up forums, although I should be fine with an administrator control panel once all the groundwork has been done. A subdomain will probably be a good idea. I noticed that the other projects use vBulletin for their forums, so I'll see what he thinks. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:48, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Ah, I see. What other projects do you mean, though? I can't seem to find any of them linked on tsukimono.net. Anyway, I'm most familiar with phpBB, and I've dabbled in Invision Free, but I reckon vBulletin would be simple enough to figure out, if that's what we will use. I didn't really consider it or Invision since both seem ostentatiously priced, but if DreamXG already has a license, then I guess it could work, though I personally prefer the more simplistic look of phpBB. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:59, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** http://fantatennis.org/forums/ (don't mind the rather bad colour scheme) - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:04, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** You might also want to take a look at [http://getvanilla.com/ this one]. It is a very different concept than most forums but, having used it mostly for work-related stuff, I find it very useful. Especially if you don't have that many sections. Otherwise I'm more for a sucky phpbb3 than a bloated vbulletin. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:45, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
**** Eh, that looks ok, and I guess it could work. However, part of our reasoning for a forum would be for the community aspects, and I think this would be better achieved with a more traditional forum. I agree that vB is bloated, and that's really why I'd prefer phpBB3. I mean, vB is fine for PSOW's new forum system, but I don't think anything as fancy as that would fit with PSUPedia. Also, I did a little looking into it, and it seems that there are much fewer freely available styles for vB, compared to phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. (In case it isn't obvious yet, I like phpBB. :>) --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:02, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Regardless of which forum software we pick, it may be worthwhile looking into a [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration user integration plugin]. I'm actually ambivalent about this, since I don't think it would be particularly necessary, but I just wanted throw it out so you know it's available. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:23, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** Right, so for forum choices we seem to have Vanilla, phpBB3 and vBulletin. I agree with Qwerty that a more traditional forum might be better but Vanilla would work in a pinch. As for a user integration plugin, sounds like an unnecessary hassle and it has the potential to be more trouble than it's worth, especially if we're only trialing forums. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* I have nothing against 2ch, but Vanilla isn't very appealing visually. Essen, could you elaborate on your criticism against phpBB3? Cause otherwise this seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:37, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: What about [http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/MyBB+phpBB MyBB]? - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:25, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** The vanilla forum after the first installation is what it is: vanilla. Then you can install [http://lussumo.com/addons/ addons]. There's addons for adding functionality or for changing the look of the forums. Or you can make your own look, the CSS isn't complicated. When you install an adddon, you just have to unzip the files in the correct folder. Then you activate the addon in the admin panel. Updating the forum is done entirely via the admin panel, vanilla itself is gonna ask you to check updates and will download and install everything.
** The difference with traditional western forums software is the organization. In other forums you have categories and posts in these categories. In vanilla you tag your post and then everyone can filter the posts like they want. This is the sort of nice things you can do with vanilla: get everything except off-topic on my index page for example. Not having to enter a section, go read the posts, go out the section, go in another section, repeat. Less clics with vanilla since you have all posts by default.
** You can probably make a media-wiki style without much trouble either since vanilla is very simple by default.
** Anyway if it's not vanilla I'm for phpbb but be ready for updating it every month because of all the security problems. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Vanilla seems like an interesting concept, but from a purely subjective point of view I have to say I prefer the idea of having seperate subforums than tagging posts. I like to go into an individual subforum and know that the majority of what I see will be about that particular topic - it's what I'm used to, after all. Also, from a non-personal point of view, this alternative system seems a little too avant-garde, I think people in general might prefer something more traditional. I think myBB might not be bad, but realistically I am not an expert on different forum software so I will leave that up to others. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:38, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just throwing my opinion in on this. I'll be good with whatever is selected. I've used phpBB, vB, Invision and others, so I've adapted to pretty much everything. As far as setup goes, couldn't help there since I've never tried; but as a member, I'd know my way around. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* I agree with Mewn; I'm sure Vanilla would be fun to use for a different sort of experience, but I have serious doubts about it's usefulness in achieving our desired ends. Concerning myBB, that summary makes it look like it is almost exactly like phpBB, but (I reckon) probably with much fewer extensions, plug-ins, and styles. I just don't see any real reason to use it over phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. In other news, I looked into the setup for phpBB, and it looks very straightforward, only requiring FTP of the software to the server, and subsequent installation through a built-in wizard you run in your browser. Assuming whichever package we pick is just as easy (phpBB is one of the easier to install according to some reviews I read), I reckon we may only need DreamXG to set up the subdomain, and then we can handle the rest on our own. Probably. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:56, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Well, I think DreamXG is talking to Tycho - I didn't count on the fact that, after all this time, he is still unwilling to talk to me. But no matter, so long as his help is secured it's no big deal. I think that if we go with phpBB we will need to install a plugin for RSS feeds - that way we can have a subforum dedicated solely to data submissions as Essen requested. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:11, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just posting [http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=544331 a link to such a plugin] for future reference. It seems to be capable of exactly what we want, generating RSS or ATOM feeds for either selected forum sections, topics, posts, PMs, or the entire forum. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* 'Looks easy/hard to install'? I've already prepared all three, and only still need to do the configuration/add-on stuff, so I'm basically waiting for a decision. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 19:54, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Well, I can only speak for myself, but it looks to me like phpBB would be a good compromise, since no one seems to have any major objections to it. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Actually phpBB3 appears to have [http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 100+] mods, MyBB [http://mods.mybboard.net/mods 200+]. Looking for styles for phpBB3 on their own site [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 sucks] (even if you try to search [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=popular&sub=rating differently]), but they [http://www.google.com/search?q=phpbb3+styles are around] anyway. Why doesn't have phpBB3 that many? Because it's not phpBB2, which is like 15 times as old. Skins for MyBB are [http://mods.mybboard.net/themes easier] to get, although they don't seem to be easy to find elsewhere (I love [http://www.mybbstyles.com/index.php this one], but can't find the source). Also, the MyBB site [http://mods.mybboard.net/uploads/previews/3803-1188579853-Myportal.png sucks] for getting an idea of what the skins look like. So I dunno, it's not like only one of the two has third-party support or anything. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 20:35, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** I see, I figured that phpBB would be more known and therefore more supported, but it was just an assumption. Anyway, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/ this page] is a nice place to preview styles for phpBB3. Personally, I think [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Serenity Serenity] has a nice, minimalistic appearance and would generally mesh with the site as a whole in terms of colors. Other ones I liked are [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/AeroBlue AeroBlue] (although possibly to dark), [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Milky+Way Milky Way] (except the orange, but we can change that), and even the default alternate theme, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/subsilver2 subsilver2]. Serenity, Milky Way, and subsilver2 (and a few others) can be recolorized via [http://beta.colorizeit.com/ this handy tool] that even generates all the necessary files for you. anyway, just something to think about --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* [http://psupedia.info/phpBB3/ phpBB], [http://psupedia.info/MyBB/ MyBB]. Gonna try and look for all desirable mods to allow for a real comparison. (Sorry, don't intend to push this, just thinking that both are to be considered.) - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 22:12, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** You also may wana check out SMF. also a PHP based forum that i have had great luck with. strong feature set and extreamly configurable yet very simplistic configuration and visuals if wanted. i have setup 3-4 forums using it for random cases. low overhead and low maintanace. [[User:Tigerbyte|Tigerbyte]] 23:45, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I looked at it briefly, but much like myBB, I just didn't see anything significantly different from phpBB, with which I'm just more familiar and comfortable. Even when it comes to silly things, like the links at the bottom of a topic: I'd rather have phpBB's "return to X forum" than myBB's "previous/next thread" links. :\ I dunno, just seems to me like phpBB would be the most common and therefore familiar package for our potential users, compared to less familiar things that, in my eyes, don't seem to offer any particular advantages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:57, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
**** I yield, phpBB looks less bloated. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 01:38, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: Oh, I can do this stuff. [http://forum.psupedia.info/ New URL].
: Another Edit: Okay, I'm tired of playing around with this; since this is still a temp phase, if anyone else wants to check out the options (I already tried everything, attempted to make a few mods and added some skins), go ahead. User: admin, pass: admintest. No vandalizing jokes please, thanks. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 03:43, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
** You do realize that the forums (for me at least) have been broken all day, right? Lots of parser and syntax PHP errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 19:56, 29 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I had some issues when trying to view topics with the phpBB default theme (prosilver), but all the other ones seem to be working fine, and I've been mucking around in the admin CP for a good hour or so without issue. Are you even able to register? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:56, 29 May 2008 (CDT)
*** We're aware there's some problems, yeah. I don't know how to sort them out so maybe Tycho can. I dunno. Might be the RSS plugin we installed. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 03:33, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
**** Yeah, I'm fairly certain it's the plugin. I'd look into it, but I'm very strapped for time this week. :\ --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:28, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

* Sorry I haven’t been able to contribute to this discussion until now.

And Mewn darling, you haven’t changed one bit, I don’t know where you get these hostile thoughts from, Tycho was already in touch with me, with my connection that currently runs off a cell phone with lower speeds than 33.6k dial-up. Tried to make edits to the wiki before, but you can imagine the time-outs I was receiving.

So! I haven’t had much luck with time lately. I would have thought PSOW, and the official boards would have been enough of a discussion place, and agree it will affect the neutrality of the wiki, but a test can’t hurt I guess.

I highly recommend you re-consider however, if the forums are for the purposes you describe before, you can go with smaller forum packages out there, and ones which have decent mediawiki integration plug-ins, it’s better to decide it now, than later, because some changes made to the db can’t be reversed nicely nor easily. (Gogo Backups of course). http://bbpress.org is an example of something really light, plug-ins and mods aren’t hard to create for it, styles can also be created, and integration can be easily achieved.

As for the syntax errors whoever edited the template

'''Located at:''' forum/cache/tpl_prosilver_viewtopic_body.html.php

'''I’ve changed:''' [ <a href="{postrow.U_POSTS_VIEWTOPIC}">{L_POSTS_VIEWTOPIC}</a> ]

'''To:''' [ ‘L_POSTS_VIEWTOPIC’ ]

'''On:''' Line 149

That’s a temp fix for whatever you were trying to do, please try to make backups before making changes! I’ve noticed the wiki slow down a bit after phpBB was installed, I try and take a look into it, after work, when and if I find some time. --[[User:DreamXG|dreamXG]] 08:15, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
* Ah, good, Hitomi, you're here. Thanks for your help with the forums, but would you please elaborate on the one opinion I know you have that you haven't deigned to share with us, please? I'm referring, of course, to this: 'and I def dont think it should be the same power system as irc.' I'm sure there's an innocent explanation, and that my 'hostile thoughts' are just playing up again, but I'd like an answer. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:06, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
* No prob, also the wiki might grind a little bit later tonight, I think I have identified what is slowing it down but need to lock the database to look into it. Mewn, no need to use the word innocent, as nothing has been said/done wrong from what I see. Just because I said it shouldn’t be the same power system, should bring about no hostility at all, the IRC community just seems unstable, and I’m sure you must agree to some degree. If we actually want these forums to work, at least try to eliminate potential elements of drama before hand. I’m not saying for you not to administer in the forums, if that is what you interpreted it as, I’m saying fewer admins, and mods; preferably that of people who actually work on the wiki, (which already includes yourself, doesn't t?). I’ve set the page for watch, so hopefully when I get my own connection fixed, I will try to keep updated with what’s happening, and help with installs, mods, etc... Please again, everyone, make backups of everything!! I haven’t made any in awhile, and will do when I get the next chance to.--[[User:DreamXG|dreamXG]] 10:00, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
** If you're telling the truth here, I apologize for misinterpreting you. I do agree that only wiki staffers should moderate on the forums, but I don't see why that was ever an issue as this was always the plan. I don't think Scythe explained it very well to you, but that's my fault, I should have told him to link you to here, rather than ask you to talk to me - I suppose that made it sound like my idea alone, rather than the cautious optimism of people who posted their comments here. IRC is not connected to anything (certainly not here - I made sure of that) and it should be obvious that it doesn't work on the same system as this wiki, so the comparison isn't needed. But, thanks for your understanding of the forum situation. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:28, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
* Removed the old and modded in the new RSS plugin. The forum keeps erroring again though, even though I've cleared the cache and the file in question seems to be fine. I hate this crap. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 04:29, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
** Did you change the password? I wanted to lookup the problem to fix it but I can't connect via FTP. Or did I miss something? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 11:19, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
* This is what happens when too many plugins/mods are installed at once, it becomes a LOT harder to see what's broken to so that it can be fixed. Is it too late to scrap everything and go for a reinstall? Then just add one plugin at a time, leave everything up for a day or so get the bugs (if any) out, then install the next one. My time is a bit more permitting at the moment so I can help fix up any errors you get the next time around. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:36, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

=== Area articles ===
* I want to try and get articles for each of the individual PSU areas set up sometime, however I know that, for better or worse, people here enjoy academic debates on what name to use. So in order to save time I want us all to agree on names BEFORE I start any articles. See below table:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! PSUP names !! Alternative names (i.e. redirects) !! Example mission
|-
| [[Linear Line]] || LL || [[Unsafe Passage]]
|-
| [[HIVE]] || || [[Dark Satellite]]
|-
| [[Raffon Meadow]] || Meadow, Raffon Plains || [[Plains Overlord]]
|-
| [[Raffon Lakeshore]] || Lakeshore || [[The Mad Beasts]]
|-
| [[Train]] || Rozenom Milate 04, Parum Linear Line, Milate 04 || [[Train Rescue]]
|-
| [[Seabed Plant]] || Plant || [[Lab Recovery]]
|-
| [[Mizuraki C.D.]] || Mizuraki || [[Mizuraki Defense]]
|-
| [[Islands]] || Islands, Shikon || [[Rainbow Beast]]
|-
| [[Temple]] || Hakura Temple || [[Grove of Fanatics]]
|-
| [[Kugu Desert]] || Kugu, Desert || [[Desert Terror]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Canyon]] || Canyon || [[Valley of Carnage]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Mine]] || || [[Tunnel Recapture]]
|-
| [[RELICS]] || || [[Sleeping Warriors]]
|-
| [[AMF Metro Linear]] || Metrolinear, Metro Linear || [[Military Subway]]
|-
| [[Old Rozenom City]] || Rozenom, Rozenom City || [[Lightning Beasts]]
|-
| [[AMF HQ]] || AMF Central Command, Dark Plant || [[Electronic Brain]]
|-
| [[AMF Train]] || Dark Train || [[SEED Express]]
|-
| [[Saguraki C.D.]] || Saguraki || [[Sakura Blast]]
|-
| [[Pavilion of Air]] || Pavilion, POA || [[White Beast]]
|-
| [[Habirao F.D.]] || Habirao || [[Hill of Spores]]
|-
| [[Granigs Mine]] || Granigs || [[Awoken Serpent]]
|-
| [[Il Cabo Base]] || Il Cabo, Illuminus Lab || [[Remaining Blades]]
|-
| [[Rykros RELICS]] || Rykros || [[The Black Nest]]
|-
| Rykros? || || N/A
|-
| [[Moatoob RELICS]] || || N/A
|-
| [[Forest (area)|Forest]] || PSO Forest, Lupus Silva || [[Forest of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Cave]] || PSO Cave || [[Fires of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Mines]] || PSO Mines, No Man's Mines || [[Mine of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Ruins]] || PSO Ruins || [[Maximum Attack G']]
|}

* 'My name' is my suggested names for the areas, the 'PSUP names' are what we shall eventually agree on, and the alternative names can be made redirects. Feel free to edit the table or post comments here, I'd like to get a consensus before I make any templates or articles. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:39, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* Great idea. Here are my thoughts. Any that I don't mention from the list are identical to what you have.
** Rozenom Milate 04 - The game refers to the field of [[Train Rescue]] as "aboard train," so I'd be happy calling this field "train." "Milate 04" would be cool, too, since the jukebox disc that has this song calls it that.
** Shikon Islands - Actually, I'm cool with the name, but I'd like to suggest adding an entry for Agata Islands. Just like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore, both have the same drop charts, but they technically are different areas... kind of.
** Dark Plant - I think this one should be called AMF HQ or AMF Headquarters. AMF HQ CenCom is another name it's called in-game, I think.
** Illuminus Lab - I prefer [[Il Cabo Base]] for this one. (Actually, I set up an article at that link a while back to play around with some ideas for field articles.)
** Dark RELICS - Rykros RELICS
** Dark Planet Ryucross - I'd like to say simply Rykros, but the game is inconsistent there, stating that a few missions which take place in Rykros' RELICS site are on Rykros. Hopefully the mission that takes place on the planet's surface will come out in Japan soon and maybe shed a little light on how we can sort that out.
* I think that pretty much covers it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:15, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Not sure why I used Ryucross instead of Rykros, must be too used to the former.
*** Rozenom Milate 04 can be renamed 'Train' or 'Milate 04', we'll see what others think.
*** Are Shikon and Agata really different like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore are? The actual map layouts of Meadow and Lakeshore differ, since Lakeshore has the water and everything whereas Meadow doesn't, so I guess that's why they're considered different areas. If it poses a problem 'Islands' will suffice.
*** AMF HQ is fine for Dark Plant, I just went off the name that appeared on Shougai PSO all that time ago.
*** Ditto for Illuminus Lab.
*** Rykros RELICS is fine and more precise than Dark RELICS.
*** Rykros will have to do for now, I guess. Maybe it'll be something like 'Rykros surface' or 'Rykros depths', something that qualifies it as being different from Rykros RELICS, since Sega have done a nice job of blurring Rykros RELICS and Rykros itself.
*** Added Moatoob RELICS as I had forgotten that one. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:34, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* I guess visually Agata and Shikon are the same. Thinking back, it's only their mission box image that's different. (Only slightly so, of course.) "Islands" works for me. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:22, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Changed my suggested names after considering Espio's suggestions, if no-one else raises any objections in the next, ooh, 10 hours (by 9:30pm BST), these will become the names we use here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Time's up, the names we have now will be the PSUP names. As with everything else they're not set in stone and can be changed, but it seems no-one is making a fuss right now. I've altered the table to reflect all this.- [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Cool. Now, what all information should we include in these articles? I figure drop charts for box and area drops are a must. Perhaps a list of missions which take place in each field and pictures of the area to pretty things up. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:26, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah, I definately agree on the dropcharts, the list of missions that take place in the area and images (maybe both of the areas in-game and the little images you get when selecting a mission). Maybe some flavour text as well, since some of the areas are described either somewhere on the official site or in-game (like lobby descriptions or just general chatter, i.e. we know that HIVEs are A-Photon Satellites taken over by the SEED). Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. One thing to consider with the dropcharts is that some drops appear to be only in AoI missions (like, say, [B] Daiga-Misakic in Her Secret Mission S), should they just be listed with the AoI icon ({{AotI version}}) next to them? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:34, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** With ''AOTI'' stuff in ''PSU'' fields, we might be able to get away with reference tags stating that you've got to be in an ''AOTI'' mission for a chance of getting that particular drop. On the other hand, I don't think there any cases of ''AOTI''-exclusive drops crossing into ''PSU'' missions (in this example, the only mission that takes place in the temple area at a high enough level for [B] Daiga-Misakic to drop is an ''AOTI'' mission). Really, I guess it kind of depends on the style of drop chart we go for. If it lists missions like what I've got in the [[Il Cabo Base]] article, there wouldn't be much of a need to ID ''AOTI'' stuff since the mission article would take care of that. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:57, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** There's a couple, if we assume that the 10* boards start dropping at level 100+ as with the AoI area drops. Daiga-Misakic and Fuka-Misakic both drop in the Islands area, the same area as Rainbow Beast, Halarodoc drops in Temple, same area as Grove of Fanatics. Some lower level drops too, like Aksuc in lower-level Galenigare Mine AoI missions (which, at the moment, is pretty much Restorations 1). It's not a major issue right now, but it might become one if Sega release more AoI missions in old areas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. [[Template:Areas|Done.]] --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Very nice, Qwerty! Colors might need some work, but the design is perfect. On the Aksuc dropping in Galenigare (and the other examples), I think I've got it covered. I'd been considering making alterations to the drop templates to allow us to specify drop chart listings as ''PSU'' or ''AOTI'' should occasions like this arise. (The first thing that got me thinking about it was Her Secret Mission S and when we found out the stuff that it drops. But after making a specific drop template just for that mission, I put the previous idea on the back burner. Now I see that may now have been the best solution.) Anyway, what I was thinking was we can add something to our ''PSU'' area drop templates that will allow them to be used in both ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'' mission articles at the same time, yet display the correct drops depending on what version of the game the mission is from. Basically, let's say we have two mission in Galenigare Mine; the first in ''PSU'', the other in ''AOTI''. When filling in the drop chart for the ''PSU'' article, the templates would be typed as <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50}}</nowiki></code>, but for the ''AOTI'' article it would be something like <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50 AOTI}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | AOTI 50}}</nowiki></code>. This way, all we have to do is add ''AOTI'' drop values to ''PSU'' templates. And really, the same thing can apply to enemies, as I think the ''AOTI Perfect Bible'' mentions one boss from ''PSU'' that will have an ''AOTI'' drop item only when it appears in an ''AOTI'' mission. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:20, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* That template change sounds like a good idea if it can be implemented. Out of interest, what's the v1 boss with the AoI drop? Sounds interesting. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just looked it up, but I seem to have remembered it a little incorrectly. The items actually are ''PSU'' weapons and unit that drop either exclusively in ''PSU'' missions or ''AOTI'' missions. Also, there are a few more than I recalled:
*** Adahna Degahna LV100-149 - Sori / Mind - ''PSU'' only
*** Zoal Goug LV100-149 - Sori / TECH Charge - ''PSU'' only
*** Dulk Fakis LV100-149 - Buccaneer - ''PSU'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Thunder Cannon - ''AOTI'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Deathmaker - ''PSU'' only
*** Dimmagolus LV100-149 - [B] Shigga Bines - ''AOTI'' only
*** Magas Maggahna LV100-149 - [B] Rabol Asted - ''PSU'' only
** Interestingly enough, I checked the old drop charts at the Japanese wiki, and it seems that the stuff the ''PB'' lists as ''AOTI'' mission exclusive does (or at least did) drop from these enemies in normal ''PSU'' missions. So, this could be another case of the ''PB'' having incorrect data or future drop chart changes to come if/when we get missions with version 1 bosses in version 2 missions. Anyway, the template change will be a very quick one. I'll see if I can make some of the changes after while. (I'd like to sort out the HSM article since I have the area drops clumped together when they should be separated by the two areas the mission takes place in.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* I'm just going to make a quick change: "Hakura Temple" to "Temple." Even though Hakura is the only one that's named in online mode, we know from story mode that there is also Kokura Temple. (I think it was the one that was infected with ice SEED.) Also, the missions that take place in this area are in different sections of Neudaiz - Cost of Research is in the Mizuraki area while Grove of Fanatics is in Shikon (this is where Hakura Temple is located), meaning we've got different temple locations. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:11, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
** I tried using the enhanced setting, but I find it to also be more trouble than it is worth. The real solution is for people to read the notice on the front page before doing anything. If you can't do that, then I'm more than happy to warn people. As someone mentioned earlier, it may be worthwhile creating a templatized notice to post when people spam their user page with edits. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:13, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Tried [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Ampersand_solution_with_root_access#Another_option this], but seemingly to no avail (unless it's slow). Anyway, someone shoulda tried this / called for help earlier. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 12:39, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just wanted to chime in on this issue. It would seem that the least troubling way to solve the problem is to avoid using the '+' symbol in the page/image names at all. It seems that Media wiki/Wikipedia also avoided using the '+' symbol in the page names. We can still use the '+' in the links as illustrated by Qwerty on April 10th. As far as benefits: there wouldn't be duplicate pages to redirect to the one with the '+' in the name, the pages would be accessible from the recent changes page, you can use the article tab at the top, it would take you back to the correct page after editing, and you could view the full sized images. The only disadvantage, as far as I can tell, is that the page name wouldn't be the same as the game data. Additionally, we're not yet sure how they will be localized, it may end up not being an issue at all. -[[User:Propagandist|Propagandist]] 01:48, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
* .. Okay. *breathes*
: So, I like categories. A lot, cause I like to have things organized.
: This could be seen over one year ago when I started making loads of [[Special:Categories|unnecessary categories]] such as '3* Weapons by GRM'. What did I think was the use of this? Trying to replicate db-like complex-parameter search functions, because I felt frustrated with the seeming limits of the wiki system. How did I believe it was possible to implement something like this? By using complex templates ([http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Aldaga_Steg&action=edit behold]) to automatically assign all of these categories; for example including a '3*' category whenever the template used for the 3* image is called.
: Yes, my old approach sucked. However, I have now added the (albeit slightly gimpy) [[Special:MultiCategorySearch|Multi-category search]] extension (along with the [[Special:Version|Breadcrumbs2]] one for good measure). My old system sucked, but I believe that by embededding new categories a la '1*' 'GRM' 'Sabers' in existing (relevant icon) templates, getting a functional version of that off the ground should be relatively easy.
: Not like I could do stuff without destroying existing standards or whatever, so, thoughts?
: Also, I feel like the image category thing would be pretty interesting, perhaps especially combined with this (even though the search function still does feel kind of old-fashioned with all this manual copy-pasting or typing out of names..). Blah, end comment, sleep. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:44, 26 May 2008 (CDT)

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-30T00:56:40Z

Sekani: /* Forums - a consultation */

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== To-do list ==
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* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==

=== Forums - a consultation ===
* This is a controversial topic and I'm by no means for them (nor am I totally against, either), but I feel as though we should explore any avenue that could help the site even if we take no action on it. I can see both pros and cons for forums, the pros being that it might enable people unfamiliar or unwilling to use a wiki to leave feedback, give us information or corrections in a forum environment that they might be more familiar with. It might also let the staff have a place where they can discuss sensitive matters in private (not sure if this can be done on the wiki, but if it can, it might be something to look at). The cons though are that bad forums may reflect badly on the site (might endanger our neutrality too, if we have such a major community element), and that effort has to be expended to moderate any forums which may prove not to be worth it in the end. The last time PSUPedia had forums they became a terrible circlejerk - the main reason why I'm personally skeptical about them. Still, feel free to discuss and debate - this is a consultation, not a vote, and nothing is binding. But if particularly compelling arguments are made and enough support to make it worthwhile comes up, it may be possible to trial forums as an experiment. At this stage though, this is just a discussion and nothing is planned. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I think it's good if it's used to talk about facts (not opinions), submit information, talk about the various projects and make polls. Other talks belong to another forum. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:38, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** This is a touchy subject. While the ancient PSUP forum was indeed a massive circlejerk, very unique circumstances brought that about (very few people used PSUP at that time, we had very little information about PSU since virtually nothing specific was known, and only like 5 people used the forum anyway). I highly doubt that a new forum would have even remotely similar results. However, I am somewhat skeptical, as I do not quite see the need for forums here. For information submission or questions, people can simply use the talk page. I do understand that many people are confused by the wiki system, but I just don't know how much of a help the forums would be. For things other than info submission and article questions, I'm not quite sure what else would be discussed that isn't also covered on the official forum, PSOW, or hell, even Diadu. It would facilitate communication between staff members here, yes, and that is probably one of the biggest positives a forum could have. As far as the community aspect, I feel it would likely be a double-edged sword. While I'm sure having forums would give a more community feel and get (potential) users more enthusiastic about PSUPedia, it is unavoidable that certain individuals would think poorly of either the general forum content or the moderation, and therefore it would leave a bad taste in their collective mouths regarding PSUPedia in general (I know some feel this way concerning PSOW). Anyway, I'm willing to hear more discussion on this topic, and I'd be open to trying forums if users seem to want them. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:01, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I remember the mess that was the forums here a few years back. After a few visits, I made sure to steer clear of them from then on. But, I think it's worth a try again since the site has improved remarkably over the years. Maintaining community neutrality is a must, but with the moderation we've carried out on the wiki, I doubt it'd be much of a problem to continue at a forum. If we can set up and stick to guidelines that state "information only" and "no trades, no guilds, no console wars, no drama, no shit," things could work out. On the other hand, strict moderation tends to piss people off or simply scare them away. The bad side of this could be giving the site a bad name with the people who want to use it to sell Meseta or their rarz or recruit guild members. Conversely, in the case of strict moderation scaring people away, it would lead to a smaller community of only the people who genuinely want to use the board for its intended purpose. All in all, I think it's worth a shot. If we decide to try it and things start going down the drain, we just pull the plug. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:43, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** @ Essen - that would be mostly the point, for discussion of objective info that will help the wiki as a site, and to encourage people to participate. The community niches are taken up by the official boards and PSOW, while Diadu has the drama niche, so I'd like to see if we can do something different.
** @ Qwerty - It's true that unique circumstances, not least the immaturity of Ahzi, Asim and Internets brought that about, but I think the danger remains of it potentially not being popular enough to be worth it. As for people thinking badly of the site because of the forums, I think that's a danger, yes, but I'm not sure that anyone who currently contributes right now will be turned off helping the site because of forums, especially if we can run them well. If people who have never contributed before do not use the site as a result of the forums, that is really not an issue for me - in my view we ought to be considering how to improve the site as a whole, not necessarily to see how many people we can get using us without contributing (whether by editing the wiki or submitting info via other means). In short, if we get, say, 10 new regular contributors helping out via forums (or even on here) and 5 people decide to not use the site because of the forums, I still think that may be worth it.
** @ Espio - The biggest problem with setting up forums is to establish a balance between helping the site and establishing a community that can help the site. I think that if the only thing we ever concentrate on is site information, no-one outside the wiki contributors will probably bother with forums. But at the same time, too much community stuff might bring in people, but would possibly make us partisan. I've no interest in this site being rivals with anyone, and I don't want 'official board sux' or 'posw sux' mentalities running through anyone who posts on PSUP (of course, people can hold private opinions, I just don't want PSUP being a staging ground for closed-minded attacks). With that in mind, should we trial forums, I would want to start with 3 public forums: 'General PSU discussion' for discussion of the game, 'PSUP discussion' for discussion about projects, corrections, help on the site etc. and 'Off-topic discussion' just to give other people something to talk about. That's all I can see us needing, at least at the start. I don't like the idea of trade forums and anything remotely like Player Matchup forums will open a guilded can of worms. I suppose the general thing we should be aiming for is 'Come for the talk, stay for the site.' As for moderation, a degree of strictness is required, so yeah, no console wars, no drama bullshit, limited flaming/trolling at the very most, and maybe a pointer that if people want to flame and troll the official boards and Diadu are far better for that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:16, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I'm assuming there probably isn't going to be many more replies, with only the regulars checking this area for stuff other people brought up. As for the image thing I believe this will only cripple the immature that somehow end up being banned. Jokes I'm fine with personally, and I believe other people here have trolled ridiculous topics elsewhere before too. Active moderation I don't really feel up to myself, but I feel like modding attitudes would be a more important issue. Either way, circumstances have indeed changed since back then. Would it be worth it? A trial period (although that probably means little more than "we're starting it but might or might not dump it again") most certainly would seem to be, since there isn't much to lose. Other than time, and personal stains of creating another potential failure (or to be arrogant and blind enough to have believed in it for that matter). I think I voted against this ages ago when the discussion came up at one point shortly after the original forums, but I don't mind anymore per se. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:07, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** OK then add a section specifically for data submission (for easier use) and make sure you can subscribe to an RSS on each sections separately. If there's all that I don't see why not try. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:28, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Ok then, since the general feeling is that we should at least try, what steps do we need to take now to set up a "trial"? I presume we will need Dream_XG's help on this, no? If for nothing else, then at least to set up a subdomain (e.g. forums.psupedia.info; I fear that failing to place it in a subdomain could cause some nasty wiki-URL side effects). When it comes to forum software, it seems to me that phpBB3 would be the obvious choice, considering it's free and other comparable packages are ridiculously priced. However, I'm open to hearing other suggestions. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:18, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** I'll speak to DreamXG, since I imagine he's an expert (there are forums on some of his other projects that I assume he set up). I'm not technically very good at setting up forums, although I should be fine with an administrator control panel once all the groundwork has been done. A subdomain will probably be a good idea. I noticed that the other projects use vBulletin for their forums, so I'll see what he thinks. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:48, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Ah, I see. What other projects do you mean, though? I can't seem to find any of them linked on tsukimono.net. Anyway, I'm most familiar with phpBB, and I've dabbled in Invision Free, but I reckon vBulletin would be simple enough to figure out, if that's what we will use. I didn't really consider it or Invision since both seem ostentatiously priced, but if DreamXG already has a license, then I guess it could work, though I personally prefer the more simplistic look of phpBB. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:59, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** http://fantatennis.org/forums/ (don't mind the rather bad colour scheme) - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:04, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** You might also want to take a look at [http://getvanilla.com/ this one]. It is a very different concept than most forums but, having used it mostly for work-related stuff, I find it very useful. Especially if you don't have that many sections. Otherwise I'm more for a sucky phpbb3 than a bloated vbulletin. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:45, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
**** Eh, that looks ok, and I guess it could work. However, part of our reasoning for a forum would be for the community aspects, and I think this would be better achieved with a more traditional forum. I agree that vB is bloated, and that's really why I'd prefer phpBB3. I mean, vB is fine for PSOW's new forum system, but I don't think anything as fancy as that would fit with PSUPedia. Also, I did a little looking into it, and it seems that there are much fewer freely available styles for vB, compared to phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. (In case it isn't obvious yet, I like phpBB. :>) --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:02, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Regardless of which forum software we pick, it may be worthwhile looking into a [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration user integration plugin]. I'm actually ambivalent about this, since I don't think it would be particularly necessary, but I just wanted throw it out so you know it's available. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:23, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** Right, so for forum choices we seem to have Vanilla, phpBB3 and vBulletin. I agree with Qwerty that a more traditional forum might be better but Vanilla would work in a pinch. As for a user integration plugin, sounds like an unnecessary hassle and it has the potential to be more trouble than it's worth, especially if we're only trialing forums. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* I have nothing against 2ch, but Vanilla isn't very appealing visually. Essen, could you elaborate on your criticism against phpBB3? Cause otherwise this seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:37, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: What about [http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/MyBB+phpBB MyBB]? - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:25, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** The vanilla forum after the first installation is what it is: vanilla. Then you can install [http://lussumo.com/addons/ addons]. There's addons for adding functionality or for changing the look of the forums. Or you can make your own look, the CSS isn't complicated. When you install an adddon, you just have to unzip the files in the correct folder. Then you activate the addon in the admin panel. Updating the forum is done entirely via the admin panel, vanilla itself is gonna ask you to check updates and will download and install everything.
** The difference with traditional western forums software is the organization. In other forums you have categories and posts in these categories. In vanilla you tag your post and then everyone can filter the posts like they want. This is the sort of nice things you can do with vanilla: get everything except off-topic on my index page for example. Not having to enter a section, go read the posts, go out the section, go in another section, repeat. Less clics with vanilla since you have all posts by default.
** You can probably make a media-wiki style without much trouble either since vanilla is very simple by default.
** Anyway if it's not vanilla I'm for phpbb but be ready for updating it every month because of all the security problems. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Vanilla seems like an interesting concept, but from a purely subjective point of view I have to say I prefer the idea of having seperate subforums than tagging posts. I like to go into an individual subforum and know that the majority of what I see will be about that particular topic - it's what I'm used to, after all. Also, from a non-personal point of view, this alternative system seems a little too avant-garde, I think people in general might prefer something more traditional. I think myBB might not be bad, but realistically I am not an expert on different forum software so I will leave that up to others. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:38, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just throwing my opinion in on this. I'll be good with whatever is selected. I've used phpBB, vB, Invision and others, so I've adapted to pretty much everything. As far as setup goes, couldn't help there since I've never tried; but as a member, I'd know my way around. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* I agree with Mewn; I'm sure Vanilla would be fun to use for a different sort of experience, but I have serious doubts about it's usefulness in achieving our desired ends. Concerning myBB, that summary makes it look like it is almost exactly like phpBB, but (I reckon) probably with much fewer extensions, plug-ins, and styles. I just don't see any real reason to use it over phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. In other news, I looked into the setup for phpBB, and it looks very straightforward, only requiring FTP of the software to the server, and subsequent installation through a built-in wizard you run in your browser. Assuming whichever package we pick is just as easy (phpBB is one of the easier to install according to some reviews I read), I reckon we may only need DreamXG to set up the subdomain, and then we can handle the rest on our own. Probably. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:56, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Well, I think DreamXG is talking to Tycho - I didn't count on the fact that, after all this time, he is still unwilling to talk to me. But no matter, so long as his help is secured it's no big deal. I think that if we go with phpBB we will need to install a plugin for RSS feeds - that way we can have a subforum dedicated solely to data submissions as Essen requested. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:11, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just posting [http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=544331 a link to such a plugin] for future reference. It seems to be capable of exactly what we want, generating RSS or ATOM feeds for either selected forum sections, topics, posts, PMs, or the entire forum. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* 'Looks easy/hard to install'? I've already prepared all three, and only still need to do the configuration/add-on stuff, so I'm basically waiting for a decision. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 19:54, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Well, I can only speak for myself, but it looks to me like phpBB would be a good compromise, since no one seems to have any major objections to it. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Actually phpBB3 appears to have [http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 100+] mods, MyBB [http://mods.mybboard.net/mods 200+]. Looking for styles for phpBB3 on their own site [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 sucks] (even if you try to search [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=popular&sub=rating differently]), but they [http://www.google.com/search?q=phpbb3+styles are around] anyway. Why doesn't have phpBB3 that many? Because it's not phpBB2, which is like 15 times as old. Skins for MyBB are [http://mods.mybboard.net/themes easier] to get, although they don't seem to be easy to find elsewhere (I love [http://www.mybbstyles.com/index.php this one], but can't find the source). Also, the MyBB site [http://mods.mybboard.net/uploads/previews/3803-1188579853-Myportal.png sucks] for getting an idea of what the skins look like. So I dunno, it's not like only one of the two has third-party support or anything. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 20:35, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** I see, I figured that phpBB would be more known and therefore more supported, but it was just an assumption. Anyway, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/ this page] is a nice place to preview styles for phpBB3. Personally, I think [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Serenity Serenity] has a nice, minimalistic appearance and would generally mesh with the site as a whole in terms of colors. Other ones I liked are [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/AeroBlue AeroBlue] (although possibly to dark), [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Milky+Way Milky Way] (except the orange, but we can change that), and even the default alternate theme, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/subsilver2 subsilver2]. Serenity, Milky Way, and subsilver2 (and a few others) can be recolorized via [http://beta.colorizeit.com/ this handy tool] that even generates all the necessary files for you. anyway, just something to think about --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* [http://psupedia.info/phpBB3/ phpBB], [http://psupedia.info/MyBB/ MyBB]. Gonna try and look for all desirable mods to allow for a real comparison. (Sorry, don't intend to push this, just thinking that both are to be considered.) - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 22:12, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** You also may wana check out SMF. also a PHP based forum that i have had great luck with. strong feature set and extreamly configurable yet very simplistic configuration and visuals if wanted. i have setup 3-4 forums using it for random cases. low overhead and low maintanace. [[User:Tigerbyte|Tigerbyte]] 23:45, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I looked at it briefly, but much like myBB, I just didn't see anything significantly different from phpBB, with which I'm just more familiar and comfortable. Even when it comes to silly things, like the links at the bottom of a topic: I'd rather have phpBB's "return to X forum" than myBB's "previous/next thread" links. :\ I dunno, just seems to me like phpBB would be the most common and therefore familiar package for our potential users, compared to less familiar things that, in my eyes, don't seem to offer any particular advantages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:57, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
**** I yield, phpBB looks less bloated. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 01:38, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: Oh, I can do this stuff. [http://forum.psupedia.info/ New URL].
: Another Edit: Okay, I'm tired of playing around with this; since this is still a temp phase, if anyone else wants to check out the options (I already tried everything, attempted to make a few mods and added some skins), go ahead. User: admin, pass: admintest. No vandalizing jokes please, thanks. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 03:43, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
** You do realize that the forums (for me at least) have been broken all day, right? Lots of parser and syntax PHP errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 19:56, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Area articles ===
* I want to try and get articles for each of the individual PSU areas set up sometime, however I know that, for better or worse, people here enjoy academic debates on what name to use. So in order to save time I want us all to agree on names BEFORE I start any articles. See below table:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! PSUP names !! Alternative names (i.e. redirects) !! Example mission
|-
| [[Linear Line]] || LL || [[Unsafe Passage]]
|-
| [[HIVE]] || || [[Dark Satellite]]
|-
| [[Raffon Meadow]] || Meadow, Raffon Plains || [[Plains Overlord]]
|-
| [[Raffon Lakeshore]] || Lakeshore || [[The Mad Beasts]]
|-
| [[Train]] || Rozenom Milate 04, Parum Linear Line, Milate 04 || [[Train Rescue]]
|-
| [[Seabed Plant]] || Plant || [[Lab Recovery]]
|-
| [[Mizuraki C.D.]] || Mizuraki || [[Mizuraki Defense]]
|-
| [[Islands]] || Islands, Shikon || [[Rainbow Beast]]
|-
| [[Temple]] || Hakura Temple || [[Grove of Fanatics]]
|-
| [[Kugu Desert]] || Kugu, Desert || [[Desert Terror]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Canyon]] || Canyon || [[Valley of Carnage]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Mine]] || || [[Tunnel Recapture]]
|-
| [[RELICS]] || || [[Sleeping Warriors]]
|-
| [[AMF Metro Linear]] || Metrolinear, Metro Linear || [[Military Subway]]
|-
| [[Old Rozenom City]] || Rozenom, Rozenom City || [[Lightning Beasts]]
|-
| [[AMF HQ]] || AMF Central Command, Dark Plant || [[Electronic Brain]]
|-
| [[AMF Train]] || Dark Train || [[SEED Express]]
|-
| [[Saguraki C.D.]] || Saguraki || [[Sakura Blast]]
|-
| [[Pavilion of Air]] || Pavilion, POA || [[White Beast]]
|-
| [[Habirao F.D.]] || Habirao || [[Hill of Spores]]
|-
| [[Granigs Mine]] || Granigs || [[Awoken Serpent]]
|-
| [[Il Cabo Base]] || Il Cabo, Illuminus Lab || [[Remaining Blades]]
|-
| [[Rykros RELICS]] || Rykros || [[The Black Nest]]
|-
| Rykros? || || N/A
|-
| [[Moatoob RELICS]] || || N/A
|-
| [[Forest (area)|Forest]] || PSO Forest, Lupus Silva || [[Forest of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Cave]] || PSO Cave || [[Fires of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Mines]] || PSO Mines, No Man's Mines || [[Mine of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Ruins]] || PSO Ruins || [[Maximum Attack G']]
|}

* 'My name' is my suggested names for the areas, the 'PSUP names' are what we shall eventually agree on, and the alternative names can be made redirects. Feel free to edit the table or post comments here, I'd like to get a consensus before I make any templates or articles. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:39, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* Great idea. Here are my thoughts. Any that I don't mention from the list are identical to what you have.
** Rozenom Milate 04 - The game refers to the field of [[Train Rescue]] as "aboard train," so I'd be happy calling this field "train." "Milate 04" would be cool, too, since the jukebox disc that has this song calls it that.
** Shikon Islands - Actually, I'm cool with the name, but I'd like to suggest adding an entry for Agata Islands. Just like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore, both have the same drop charts, but they technically are different areas... kind of.
** Dark Plant - I think this one should be called AMF HQ or AMF Headquarters. AMF HQ CenCom is another name it's called in-game, I think.
** Illuminus Lab - I prefer [[Il Cabo Base]] for this one. (Actually, I set up an article at that link a while back to play around with some ideas for field articles.)
** Dark RELICS - Rykros RELICS
** Dark Planet Ryucross - I'd like to say simply Rykros, but the game is inconsistent there, stating that a few missions which take place in Rykros' RELICS site are on Rykros. Hopefully the mission that takes place on the planet's surface will come out in Japan soon and maybe shed a little light on how we can sort that out.
* I think that pretty much covers it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:15, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Not sure why I used Ryucross instead of Rykros, must be too used to the former.
*** Rozenom Milate 04 can be renamed 'Train' or 'Milate 04', we'll see what others think.
*** Are Shikon and Agata really different like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore are? The actual map layouts of Meadow and Lakeshore differ, since Lakeshore has the water and everything whereas Meadow doesn't, so I guess that's why they're considered different areas. If it poses a problem 'Islands' will suffice.
*** AMF HQ is fine for Dark Plant, I just went off the name that appeared on Shougai PSO all that time ago.
*** Ditto for Illuminus Lab.
*** Rykros RELICS is fine and more precise than Dark RELICS.
*** Rykros will have to do for now, I guess. Maybe it'll be something like 'Rykros surface' or 'Rykros depths', something that qualifies it as being different from Rykros RELICS, since Sega have done a nice job of blurring Rykros RELICS and Rykros itself.
*** Added Moatoob RELICS as I had forgotten that one. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:34, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* I guess visually Agata and Shikon are the same. Thinking back, it's only their mission box image that's different. (Only slightly so, of course.) "Islands" works for me. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:22, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Changed my suggested names after considering Espio's suggestions, if no-one else raises any objections in the next, ooh, 10 hours (by 9:30pm BST), these will become the names we use here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Time's up, the names we have now will be the PSUP names. As with everything else they're not set in stone and can be changed, but it seems no-one is making a fuss right now. I've altered the table to reflect all this.- [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Cool. Now, what all information should we include in these articles? I figure drop charts for box and area drops are a must. Perhaps a list of missions which take place in each field and pictures of the area to pretty things up. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:26, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah, I definately agree on the dropcharts, the list of missions that take place in the area and images (maybe both of the areas in-game and the little images you get when selecting a mission). Maybe some flavour text as well, since some of the areas are described either somewhere on the official site or in-game (like lobby descriptions or just general chatter, i.e. we know that HIVEs are A-Photon Satellites taken over by the SEED). Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. One thing to consider with the dropcharts is that some drops appear to be only in AoI missions (like, say, [B] Daiga-Misakic in Her Secret Mission S), should they just be listed with the AoI icon ({{AotI version}}) next to them? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:34, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** With ''AOTI'' stuff in ''PSU'' fields, we might be able to get away with reference tags stating that you've got to be in an ''AOTI'' mission for a chance of getting that particular drop. On the other hand, I don't think there any cases of ''AOTI''-exclusive drops crossing into ''PSU'' missions (in this example, the only mission that takes place in the temple area at a high enough level for [B] Daiga-Misakic to drop is an ''AOTI'' mission). Really, I guess it kind of depends on the style of drop chart we go for. If it lists missions like what I've got in the [[Il Cabo Base]] article, there wouldn't be much of a need to ID ''AOTI'' stuff since the mission article would take care of that. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:57, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** There's a couple, if we assume that the 10* boards start dropping at level 100+ as with the AoI area drops. Daiga-Misakic and Fuka-Misakic both drop in the Islands area, the same area as Rainbow Beast, Halarodoc drops in Temple, same area as Grove of Fanatics. Some lower level drops too, like Aksuc in lower-level Galenigare Mine AoI missions (which, at the moment, is pretty much Restorations 1). It's not a major issue right now, but it might become one if Sega release more AoI missions in old areas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. [[Template:Areas|Done.]] --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Very nice, Qwerty! Colors might need some work, but the design is perfect. On the Aksuc dropping in Galenigare (and the other examples), I think I've got it covered. I'd been considering making alterations to the drop templates to allow us to specify drop chart listings as ''PSU'' or ''AOTI'' should occasions like this arise. (The first thing that got me thinking about it was Her Secret Mission S and when we found out the stuff that it drops. But after making a specific drop template just for that mission, I put the previous idea on the back burner. Now I see that may now have been the best solution.) Anyway, what I was thinking was we can add something to our ''PSU'' area drop templates that will allow them to be used in both ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'' mission articles at the same time, yet display the correct drops depending on what version of the game the mission is from. Basically, let's say we have two mission in Galenigare Mine; the first in ''PSU'', the other in ''AOTI''. When filling in the drop chart for the ''PSU'' article, the templates would be typed as <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50}}</nowiki></code>, but for the ''AOTI'' article it would be something like <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50 AOTI}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | AOTI 50}}</nowiki></code>. This way, all we have to do is add ''AOTI'' drop values to ''PSU'' templates. And really, the same thing can apply to enemies, as I think the ''AOTI Perfect Bible'' mentions one boss from ''PSU'' that will have an ''AOTI'' drop item only when it appears in an ''AOTI'' mission. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:20, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* That template change sounds like a good idea if it can be implemented. Out of interest, what's the v1 boss with the AoI drop? Sounds interesting. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just looked it up, but I seem to have remembered it a little incorrectly. The items actually are ''PSU'' weapons and unit that drop either exclusively in ''PSU'' missions or ''AOTI'' missions. Also, there are a few more than I recalled:
*** Adahna Degahna LV100-149 - Sori / Mind - ''PSU'' only
*** Zoal Goug LV100-149 - Sori / TECH Charge - ''PSU'' only
*** Dulk Fakis LV100-149 - Buccaneer - ''PSU'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Thunder Cannon - ''AOTI'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Deathmaker - ''PSU'' only
*** Dimmagolus LV100-149 - [B] Shigga Bines - ''AOTI'' only
*** Magas Maggahna LV100-149 - [B] Rabol Asted - ''PSU'' only
** Interestingly enough, I checked the old drop charts at the Japanese wiki, and it seems that the stuff the ''PB'' lists as ''AOTI'' mission exclusive does (or at least did) drop from these enemies in normal ''PSU'' missions. So, this could be another case of the ''PB'' having incorrect data or future drop chart changes to come if/when we get missions with version 1 bosses in version 2 missions. Anyway, the template change will be a very quick one. I'll see if I can make some of the changes after while. (I'd like to sort out the HSM article since I have the area drops clumped together when they should be separated by the two areas the mission takes place in.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* I'm just going to make a quick change: "Hakura Temple" to "Temple." Even though Hakura is the only one that's named in online mode, we know from story mode that there is also Kokura Temple. (I think it was the one that was infected with ice SEED.) Also, the missions that take place in this area are in different sections of Neudaiz - Cost of Research is in the Mizuraki area while Grove of Fanatics is in Shikon (this is where Hakura Temple is located), meaning we've got different temple locations. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:11, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
** I tried using the enhanced setting, but I find it to also be more trouble than it is worth. The real solution is for people to read the notice on the front page before doing anything. If you can't do that, then I'm more than happy to warn people. As someone mentioned earlier, it may be worthwhile creating a templatized notice to post when people spam their user page with edits. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:13, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Tried [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Ampersand_solution_with_root_access#Another_option this], but seemingly to no avail (unless it's slow). Anyway, someone shoulda tried this / called for help earlier. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 12:39, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just wanted to chime in on this issue. It would seem that the least troubling way to solve the problem is to avoid using the '+' symbol in the page/image names at all. It seems that Media wiki/Wikipedia also avoided using the '+' symbol in the page names. We can still use the '+' in the links as illustrated by Qwerty on April 10th. As far as benefits: there wouldn't be duplicate pages to redirect to the one with the '+' in the name, the pages would be accessible from the recent changes page, you can use the article tab at the top, it would take you back to the correct page after editing, and you could view the full sized images. The only disadvantage, as far as I can tell, is that the page name wouldn't be the same as the game data. Additionally, we're not yet sure how they will be localized, it may end up not being an issue at all. -[[User:Propagandist|Propagandist]] 01:48, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
* .. Okay. *breathes*
: So, I like categories. A lot, cause I like to have things organized.
: This could be seen over one year ago when I started making loads of [[Special:Categories|unnecessary categories]] such as '3* Weapons by GRM'. What did I think was the use of this? Trying to replicate db-like complex-parameter search functions, because I felt frustrated with the seeming limits of the wiki system. How did I believe it was possible to implement something like this? By using complex templates ([http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Aldaga_Steg&action=edit behold]) to automatically assign all of these categories; for example including a '3*' category whenever the template used for the 3* image is called.
: Yes, my old approach sucked. However, I have now added the (albeit slightly gimpy) [[Special:MultiCategorySearch|Multi-category search]] extension (along with the [[Special:Version|Breadcrumbs2]] one for good measure). My old system sucked, but I believe that by embededding new categories a la '1*' 'GRM' 'Sabers' in existing (relevant icon) templates, getting a functional version of that off the ground should be relatively easy.
: Not like I could do stuff without destroying existing standards or whatever, so, thoughts?
: Also, I feel like the image category thing would be pretty interesting, perhaps especially combined with this (even though the search function still does feel kind of old-fashioned with all this manual copy-pasting or typing out of names..). Blah, end comment, sleep. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:44, 26 May 2008 (CDT)

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-29T14:03:53Z

Sekani: archiving stuff

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== To-do list ==
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* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==

=== Forums - a consultation ===
* This is a controversial topic and I'm by no means for them (nor am I totally against, either), but I feel as though we should explore any avenue that could help the site even if we take no action on it. I can see both pros and cons for forums, the pros being that it might enable people unfamiliar or unwilling to use a wiki to leave feedback, give us information or corrections in a forum environment that they might be more familiar with. It might also let the staff have a place where they can discuss sensitive matters in private (not sure if this can be done on the wiki, but if it can, it might be something to look at). The cons though are that bad forums may reflect badly on the site (might endanger our neutrality too, if we have such a major community element), and that effort has to be expended to moderate any forums which may prove not to be worth it in the end. The last time PSUPedia had forums they became a terrible circlejerk - the main reason why I'm personally skeptical about them. Still, feel free to discuss and debate - this is a consultation, not a vote, and nothing is binding. But if particularly compelling arguments are made and enough support to make it worthwhile comes up, it may be possible to trial forums as an experiment. At this stage though, this is just a discussion and nothing is planned. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I think it's good if it's used to talk about facts (not opinions), submit information, talk about the various projects and make polls. Other talks belong to another forum. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:38, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** This is a touchy subject. While the ancient PSUP forum was indeed a massive circlejerk, very unique circumstances brought that about (very few people used PSUP at that time, we had very little information about PSU since virtually nothing specific was known, and only like 5 people used the forum anyway). I highly doubt that a new forum would have even remotely similar results. However, I am somewhat skeptical, as I do not quite see the need for forums here. For information submission or questions, people can simply use the talk page. I do understand that many people are confused by the wiki system, but I just don't know how much of a help the forums would be. For things other than info submission and article questions, I'm not quite sure what else would be discussed that isn't also covered on the official forum, PSOW, or hell, even Diadu. It would facilitate communication between staff members here, yes, and that is probably one of the biggest positives a forum could have. As far as the community aspect, I feel it would likely be a double-edged sword. While I'm sure having forums would give a more community feel and get (potential) users more enthusiastic about PSUPedia, it is unavoidable that certain individuals would think poorly of either the general forum content or the moderation, and therefore it would leave a bad taste in their collective mouths regarding PSUPedia in general (I know some feel this way concerning PSOW). Anyway, I'm willing to hear more discussion on this topic, and I'd be open to trying forums if users seem to want them. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:01, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** I remember the mess that was the forums here a few years back. After a few visits, I made sure to steer clear of them from then on. But, I think it's worth a try again since the site has improved remarkably over the years. Maintaining community neutrality is a must, but with the moderation we've carried out on the wiki, I doubt it'd be much of a problem to continue at a forum. If we can set up and stick to guidelines that state "information only" and "no trades, no guilds, no console wars, no drama, no shit," things could work out. On the other hand, strict moderation tends to piss people off or simply scare them away. The bad side of this could be giving the site a bad name with the people who want to use it to sell Meseta or their rarz or recruit guild members. Conversely, in the case of strict moderation scaring people away, it would lead to a smaller community of only the people who genuinely want to use the board for its intended purpose. All in all, I think it's worth a shot. If we decide to try it and things start going down the drain, we just pull the plug. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:43, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** @ Essen - that would be mostly the point, for discussion of objective info that will help the wiki as a site, and to encourage people to participate. The community niches are taken up by the official boards and PSOW, while Diadu has the drama niche, so I'd like to see if we can do something different.
** @ Qwerty - It's true that unique circumstances, not least the immaturity of Ahzi, Asim and Internets brought that about, but I think the danger remains of it potentially not being popular enough to be worth it. As for people thinking badly of the site because of the forums, I think that's a danger, yes, but I'm not sure that anyone who currently contributes right now will be turned off helping the site because of forums, especially if we can run them well. If people who have never contributed before do not use the site as a result of the forums, that is really not an issue for me - in my view we ought to be considering how to improve the site as a whole, not necessarily to see how many people we can get using us without contributing (whether by editing the wiki or submitting info via other means). In short, if we get, say, 10 new regular contributors helping out via forums (or even on here) and 5 people decide to not use the site because of the forums, I still think that may be worth it.
** @ Espio - The biggest problem with setting up forums is to establish a balance between helping the site and establishing a community that can help the site. I think that if the only thing we ever concentrate on is site information, no-one outside the wiki contributors will probably bother with forums. But at the same time, too much community stuff might bring in people, but would possibly make us partisan. I've no interest in this site being rivals with anyone, and I don't want 'official board sux' or 'posw sux' mentalities running through anyone who posts on PSUP (of course, people can hold private opinions, I just don't want PSUP being a staging ground for closed-minded attacks). With that in mind, should we trial forums, I would want to start with 3 public forums: 'General PSU discussion' for discussion of the game, 'PSUP discussion' for discussion about projects, corrections, help on the site etc. and 'Off-topic discussion' just to give other people something to talk about. That's all I can see us needing, at least at the start. I don't like the idea of trade forums and anything remotely like Player Matchup forums will open a guilded can of worms. I suppose the general thing we should be aiming for is 'Come for the talk, stay for the site.' As for moderation, a degree of strictness is required, so yeah, no console wars, no drama bullshit, limited flaming/trolling at the very most, and maybe a pointer that if people want to flame and troll the official boards and Diadu are far better for that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 07:16, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I'm assuming there probably isn't going to be many more replies, with only the regulars checking this area for stuff other people brought up. As for the image thing I believe this will only cripple the immature that somehow end up being banned. Jokes I'm fine with personally, and I believe other people here have trolled ridiculous topics elsewhere before too. Active moderation I don't really feel up to myself, but I feel like modding attitudes would be a more important issue. Either way, circumstances have indeed changed since back then. Would it be worth it? A trial period (although that probably means little more than "we're starting it but might or might not dump it again") most certainly would seem to be, since there isn't much to lose. Other than time, and personal stains of creating another potential failure (or to be arrogant and blind enough to have believed in it for that matter). I think I voted against this ages ago when the discussion came up at one point shortly after the original forums, but I don't mind anymore per se. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:07, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** OK then add a section specifically for data submission (for easier use) and make sure you can subscribe to an RSS on each sections separately. If there's all that I don't see why not try. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:28, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Ok then, since the general feeling is that we should at least try, what steps do we need to take now to set up a "trial"? I presume we will need Dream_XG's help on this, no? If for nothing else, then at least to set up a subdomain (e.g. forums.psupedia.info; I fear that failing to place it in a subdomain could cause some nasty wiki-URL side effects). When it comes to forum software, it seems to me that phpBB3 would be the obvious choice, considering it's free and other comparable packages are ridiculously priced. However, I'm open to hearing other suggestions. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:18, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** I'll speak to DreamXG, since I imagine he's an expert (there are forums on some of his other projects that I assume he set up). I'm not technically very good at setting up forums, although I should be fine with an administrator control panel once all the groundwork has been done. A subdomain will probably be a good idea. I noticed that the other projects use vBulletin for their forums, so I'll see what he thinks. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:48, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Ah, I see. What other projects do you mean, though? I can't seem to find any of them linked on tsukimono.net. Anyway, I'm most familiar with phpBB, and I've dabbled in Invision Free, but I reckon vBulletin would be simple enough to figure out, if that's what we will use. I didn't really consider it or Invision since both seem ostentatiously priced, but if DreamXG already has a license, then I guess it could work, though I personally prefer the more simplistic look of phpBB. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:59, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** http://fantatennis.org/forums/ (don't mind the rather bad colour scheme) - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:04, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
*** You might also want to take a look at [http://getvanilla.com/ this one]. It is a very different concept than most forums but, having used it mostly for work-related stuff, I find it very useful. Especially if you don't have that many sections. Otherwise I'm more for a sucky phpbb3 than a bloated vbulletin. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:45, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
**** Eh, that looks ok, and I guess it could work. However, part of our reasoning for a forum would be for the community aspects, and I think this would be better achieved with a more traditional forum. I agree that vB is bloated, and that's really why I'd prefer phpBB3. I mean, vB is fine for PSOW's new forum system, but I don't think anything as fancy as that would fit with PSUPedia. Also, I did a little looking into it, and it seems that there are much fewer freely available styles for vB, compared to phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. (In case it isn't obvious yet, I like phpBB. :>) --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:02, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Regardless of which forum software we pick, it may be worthwhile looking into a [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration user integration plugin]. I'm actually ambivalent about this, since I don't think it would be particularly necessary, but I just wanted throw it out so you know it's available. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:23, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
** Right, so for forum choices we seem to have Vanilla, phpBB3 and vBulletin. I agree with Qwerty that a more traditional forum might be better but Vanilla would work in a pinch. As for a user integration plugin, sounds like an unnecessary hassle and it has the potential to be more trouble than it's worth, especially if we're only trialing forums. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* I have nothing against 2ch, but Vanilla isn't very appealing visually. Essen, could you elaborate on your criticism against phpBB3? Cause otherwise this seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:37, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: What about [http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/MyBB+phpBB MyBB]? - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:25, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** The vanilla forum after the first installation is what it is: vanilla. Then you can install [http://lussumo.com/addons/ addons]. There's addons for adding functionality or for changing the look of the forums. Or you can make your own look, the CSS isn't complicated. When you install an adddon, you just have to unzip the files in the correct folder. Then you activate the addon in the admin panel. Updating the forum is done entirely via the admin panel, vanilla itself is gonna ask you to check updates and will download and install everything.
** The difference with traditional western forums software is the organization. In other forums you have categories and posts in these categories. In vanilla you tag your post and then everyone can filter the posts like they want. This is the sort of nice things you can do with vanilla: get everything except off-topic on my index page for example. Not having to enter a section, go read the posts, go out the section, go in another section, repeat. Less clics with vanilla since you have all posts by default.
** You can probably make a media-wiki style without much trouble either since vanilla is very simple by default.
** Anyway if it's not vanilla I'm for phpbb but be ready for updating it every month because of all the security problems. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Vanilla seems like an interesting concept, but from a purely subjective point of view I have to say I prefer the idea of having seperate subforums than tagging posts. I like to go into an individual subforum and know that the majority of what I see will be about that particular topic - it's what I'm used to, after all. Also, from a non-personal point of view, this alternative system seems a little too avant-garde, I think people in general might prefer something more traditional. I think myBB might not be bad, but realistically I am not an expert on different forum software so I will leave that up to others. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:38, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just throwing my opinion in on this. I'll be good with whatever is selected. I've used phpBB, vB, Invision and others, so I've adapted to pretty much everything. As far as setup goes, couldn't help there since I've never tried; but as a member, I'd know my way around. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* I agree with Mewn; I'm sure Vanilla would be fun to use for a different sort of experience, but I have serious doubts about it's usefulness in achieving our desired ends. Concerning myBB, that summary makes it look like it is almost exactly like phpBB, but (I reckon) probably with much fewer extensions, plug-ins, and styles. I just don't see any real reason to use it over phpBB. Anyway, just my two cents. In other news, I looked into the setup for phpBB, and it looks very straightforward, only requiring FTP of the software to the server, and subsequent installation through a built-in wizard you run in your browser. Assuming whichever package we pick is just as easy (phpBB is one of the easier to install according to some reviews I read), I reckon we may only need DreamXG to set up the subdomain, and then we can handle the rest on our own. Probably. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:56, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Well, I think DreamXG is talking to Tycho - I didn't count on the fact that, after all this time, he is still unwilling to talk to me. But no matter, so long as his help is secured it's no big deal. I think that if we go with phpBB we will need to install a plugin for RSS feeds - that way we can have a subforum dedicated solely to data submissions as Essen requested. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:11, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just posting [http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=544331 a link to such a plugin] for future reference. It seems to be capable of exactly what we want, generating RSS or ATOM feeds for either selected forum sections, topics, posts, PMs, or the entire forum. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* 'Looks easy/hard to install'? I've already prepared all three, and only still need to do the configuration/add-on stuff, so I'm basically waiting for a decision. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 19:54, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** Well, I can only speak for myself, but it looks to me like phpBB would be a good compromise, since no one seems to have any major objections to it. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* Actually phpBB3 appears to have [http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 100+] mods, MyBB [http://mods.mybboard.net/mods 200+]. Looking for styles for phpBB3 on their own site [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=group:phpbb&sub=3 sucks] (even if you try to search [http://www.phpbb.com/styles/db/index.php?i=browse&mode=popular&sub=rating differently]), but they [http://www.google.com/search?q=phpbb3+styles are around] anyway. Why doesn't have phpBB3 that many? Because it's not phpBB2, which is like 15 times as old. Skins for MyBB are [http://mods.mybboard.net/themes easier] to get, although they don't seem to be easy to find elsewhere (I love [http://www.mybbstyles.com/index.php this one], but can't find the source). Also, the MyBB site [http://mods.mybboard.net/uploads/previews/3803-1188579853-Myportal.png sucks] for getting an idea of what the skins look like. So I dunno, it's not like only one of the two has third-party support or anything. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 20:35, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** I see, I figured that phpBB would be more known and therefore more supported, but it was just an assumption. Anyway, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/ this page] is a nice place to preview styles for phpBB3. Personally, I think [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Serenity Serenity] has a nice, minimalistic appearance and would generally mesh with the site as a whole in terms of colors. Other ones I liked are [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/AeroBlue AeroBlue] (although possibly to dark), [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Milky+Way Milky Way] (except the orange, but we can change that), and even the default alternate theme, [http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/subsilver2 subsilver2]. Serenity, Milky Way, and subsilver2 (and a few others) can be recolorized via [http://beta.colorizeit.com/ this handy tool] that even generates all the necessary files for you. anyway, just something to think about --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
* [http://psupedia.info/phpBB3/ phpBB], [http://psupedia.info/MyBB/ MyBB]. Gonna try and look for all desirable mods to allow for a real comparison. (Sorry, don't intend to push this, just thinking that both are to be considered.) - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 22:12, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
** You also may wana check out SMF. also a PHP based forum that i have had great luck with. strong feature set and extreamly configurable yet very simplistic configuration and visuals if wanted. i have setup 3-4 forums using it for random cases. low overhead and low maintanace. [[User:Tigerbyte|Tigerbyte]] 23:45, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
*** I looked at it briefly, but much like myBB, I just didn't see anything significantly different from phpBB, with which I'm just more familiar and comfortable. Even when it comes to silly things, like the links at the bottom of a topic: I'd rather have phpBB's "return to X forum" than myBB's "previous/next thread" links. :\ I dunno, just seems to me like phpBB would be the most common and therefore familiar package for our potential users, compared to less familiar things that, in my eyes, don't seem to offer any particular advantages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:57, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
**** I yield, phpBB looks less bloated. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 01:38, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
: Edit: Oh, I can do this stuff. [http://forum.psupedia.info/ New URL].
: Another Edit: Okay, I'm tired of playing around with this; since this is still a temp phase, if anyone else wants to check out the options (I already tried everything, attempted to make a few mods and added some skins), go ahead. User: admin, pass: admintest. No vandalizing jokes please, thanks. XP - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 03:43, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Area articles ===
* I want to try and get articles for each of the individual PSU areas set up sometime, however I know that, for better or worse, people here enjoy academic debates on what name to use. So in order to save time I want us all to agree on names BEFORE I start any articles. See below table:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! PSUP names !! Alternative names (i.e. redirects) !! Example mission
|-
| [[Linear Line]] || LL || [[Unsafe Passage]]
|-
| [[HIVE]] || || [[Dark Satellite]]
|-
| [[Raffon Meadow]] || Meadow, Raffon Plains || [[Plains Overlord]]
|-
| [[Raffon Lakeshore]] || Lakeshore || [[The Mad Beasts]]
|-
| [[Train]] || Rozenom Milate 04, Parum Linear Line, Milate 04 || [[Train Rescue]]
|-
| [[Seabed Plant]] || Plant || [[Lab Recovery]]
|-
| [[Mizuraki C.D.]] || Mizuraki || [[Mizuraki Defense]]
|-
| [[Islands]] || Islands, Shikon || [[Rainbow Beast]]
|-
| [[Hakura Temple]] || Hakura, Temple || [[Grove of Fanatics]]
|-
| [[Kugu Desert]] || Kugu, Desert || [[Desert Terror]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Canyon]] || Canyon || [[Valley of Carnage]]
|-
| [[Galenigare Mine]] || || [[Tunnel Recapture]]
|-
| [[RELICS]] || || [[Sleeping Warriors]]
|-
| [[AMF Metro Linear]] || Metrolinear, Metro Linear || [[Military Subway]]
|-
| [[Old Rozenom City]] || Rozenom, Rozenom City || [[Lightning Beasts]]
|-
| [[AMF HQ]] || AMF Central Command, Dark Plant || [[Electronic Brain]]
|-
| [[AMF Train]] || Dark Train || [[SEED Express]]
|-
| [[Saguraki C.D.]] || Saguraki || [[Sakura Blast]]
|-
| [[Pavilion of Air]] || Pavilion, POA || [[White Beast]]
|-
| [[Habirao F.D.]] || Habirao || [[Hill of Spores]]
|-
| [[Granigs Mine]] || Granigs || [[Awoken Serpent]]
|-
| [[Il Cabo Base]] || Il Cabo, Illuminus Lab || [[Remaining Blades]]
|-
| [[Rykros RELICS]] || Rykros || [[The Black Nest]]
|-
| Rykros? || || N/A
|-
| [[Moatoob RELICS]] || || N/A
|-
| [[Forest (area)|Forest]] || PSO Forest, Lupus Silva || [[Forest of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Cave]] || PSO Cave || [[Fires of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Mines]] || PSO Mines, No Man's Mines || [[Mine of Illusion]]
|-
| [[Ruins]] || PSO Ruins || [[Maximum Attack G']]
|}

* 'My name' is my suggested names for the areas, the 'PSUP names' are what we shall eventually agree on, and the alternative names can be made redirects. Feel free to edit the table or post comments here, I'd like to get a consensus before I make any templates or articles. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:39, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* Great idea. Here are my thoughts. Any that I don't mention from the list are identical to what you have.
** Rozenom Milate 04 - The game refers to the field of [[Train Rescue]] as "aboard train," so I'd be happy calling this field "train." "Milate 04" would be cool, too, since the jukebox disc that has this song calls it that.
** Shikon Islands - Actually, I'm cool with the name, but I'd like to suggest adding an entry for Agata Islands. Just like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore, both have the same drop charts, but they technically are different areas... kind of.
** Dark Plant - I think this one should be called AMF HQ or AMF Headquarters. AMF HQ CenCom is another name it's called in-game, I think.
** Illuminus Lab - I prefer [[Il Cabo Base]] for this one. (Actually, I set up an article at that link a while back to play around with some ideas for field articles.)
** Dark RELICS - Rykros RELICS
** Dark Planet Ryucross - I'd like to say simply Rykros, but the game is inconsistent there, stating that a few missions which take place in Rykros' RELICS site are on Rykros. Hopefully the mission that takes place on the planet's surface will come out in Japan soon and maybe shed a little light on how we can sort that out.
* I think that pretty much covers it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:15, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Not sure why I used Ryucross instead of Rykros, must be too used to the former.
*** Rozenom Milate 04 can be renamed 'Train' or 'Milate 04', we'll see what others think.
*** Are Shikon and Agata really different like Raffon Meadow and Lakeshore are? The actual map layouts of Meadow and Lakeshore differ, since Lakeshore has the water and everything whereas Meadow doesn't, so I guess that's why they're considered different areas. If it poses a problem 'Islands' will suffice.
*** AMF HQ is fine for Dark Plant, I just went off the name that appeared on Shougai PSO all that time ago.
*** Ditto for Illuminus Lab.
*** Rykros RELICS is fine and more precise than Dark RELICS.
*** Rykros will have to do for now, I guess. Maybe it'll be something like 'Rykros surface' or 'Rykros depths', something that qualifies it as being different from Rykros RELICS, since Sega have done a nice job of blurring Rykros RELICS and Rykros itself.
*** Added Moatoob RELICS as I had forgotten that one. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:34, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
* I guess visually Agata and Shikon are the same. Thinking back, it's only their mission box image that's different. (Only slightly so, of course.) "Islands" works for me. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:22, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
** Changed my suggested names after considering Espio's suggestions, if no-one else raises any objections in the next, ooh, 10 hours (by 9:30pm BST), these will become the names we use here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Time's up, the names we have now will be the PSUP names. As with everything else they're not set in stone and can be changed, but it seems no-one is making a fuss right now. I've altered the table to reflect all this.- [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:00, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Cool. Now, what all information should we include in these articles? I figure drop charts for box and area drops are a must. Perhaps a list of missions which take place in each field and pictures of the area to pretty things up. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:26, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah, I definately agree on the dropcharts, the list of missions that take place in the area and images (maybe both of the areas in-game and the little images you get when selecting a mission). Maybe some flavour text as well, since some of the areas are described either somewhere on the official site or in-game (like lobby descriptions or just general chatter, i.e. we know that HIVEs are A-Photon Satellites taken over by the SEED). Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. One thing to consider with the dropcharts is that some drops appear to be only in AoI missions (like, say, [B] Daiga-Misakic in Her Secret Mission S), should they just be listed with the AoI icon ({{AotI version}}) next to them? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:34, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** With ''AOTI'' stuff in ''PSU'' fields, we might be able to get away with reference tags stating that you've got to be in an ''AOTI'' mission for a chance of getting that particular drop. On the other hand, I don't think there any cases of ''AOTI''-exclusive drops crossing into ''PSU'' missions (in this example, the only mission that takes place in the temple area at a high enough level for [B] Daiga-Misakic to drop is an ''AOTI'' mission). Really, I guess it kind of depends on the style of drop chart we go for. If it lists missions like what I've got in the [[Il Cabo Base]] article, there wouldn't be much of a need to ID ''AOTI'' stuff since the mission article would take care of that. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:57, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** There's a couple, if we assume that the 10* boards start dropping at level 100+ as with the AoI area drops. Daiga-Misakic and Fuka-Misakic both drop in the Islands area, the same area as Rainbow Beast, Halarodoc drops in Temple, same area as Grove of Fanatics. Some lower level drops too, like Aksuc in lower-level Galenigare Mine AoI missions (which, at the moment, is pretty much Restorations 1). It's not a major issue right now, but it might become one if Sega release more AoI missions in old areas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Some kind of template at the bottom with links to the other areas might be good too. [[Template:Areas|Done.]] --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* Very nice, Qwerty! Colors might need some work, but the design is perfect. On the Aksuc dropping in Galenigare (and the other examples), I think I've got it covered. I'd been considering making alterations to the drop templates to allow us to specify drop chart listings as ''PSU'' or ''AOTI'' should occasions like this arise. (The first thing that got me thinking about it was Her Secret Mission S and when we found out the stuff that it drops. But after making a specific drop template just for that mission, I put the previous idea on the back burner. Now I see that may now have been the best solution.) Anyway, what I was thinking was we can add something to our ''PSU'' area drop templates that will allow them to be used in both ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'' mission articles at the same time, yet display the correct drops depending on what version of the game the mission is from. Basically, let's say we have two mission in Galenigare Mine; the first in ''PSU'', the other in ''AOTI''. When filling in the drop chart for the ''PSU'' article, the templates would be typed as <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50}}</nowiki></code>, but for the ''AOTI'' article it would be something like <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | 50 AOTI}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{Tunnels area | AOTI 50}}</nowiki></code>. This way, all we have to do is add ''AOTI'' drop values to ''PSU'' templates. And really, the same thing can apply to enemies, as I think the ''AOTI Perfect Bible'' mentions one boss from ''PSU'' that will have an ''AOTI'' drop item only when it appears in an ''AOTI'' mission. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:20, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
* That template change sounds like a good idea if it can be implemented. Out of interest, what's the v1 boss with the AoI drop? Sounds interesting. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
** Just looked it up, but I seem to have remembered it a little incorrectly. The items actually are ''PSU'' weapons and unit that drop either exclusively in ''PSU'' missions or ''AOTI'' missions. Also, there are a few more than I recalled:
*** Adahna Degahna LV100-149 - Sori / Mind - ''PSU'' only
*** Zoal Goug LV100-149 - Sori / TECH Charge - ''PSU'' only
*** Dulk Fakis LV100-149 - Buccaneer - ''PSU'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Thunder Cannon - ''AOTI'' only
*** De Ragnus LV100-149 - [B] Deathmaker - ''PSU'' only
*** Dimmagolus LV100-149 - [B] Shigga Bines - ''AOTI'' only
*** Magas Maggahna LV100-149 - [B] Rabol Asted - ''PSU'' only
** Interestingly enough, I checked the old drop charts at the Japanese wiki, and it seems that the stuff the ''PB'' lists as ''AOTI'' mission exclusive does (or at least did) drop from these enemies in normal ''PSU'' missions. So, this could be another case of the ''PB'' having incorrect data or future drop chart changes to come if/when we get missions with version 1 bosses in version 2 missions. Anyway, the template change will be a very quick one. I'll see if I can make some of the changes after while. (I'd like to sort out the HSM article since I have the area drops clumped together when they should be separated by the two areas the mission takes place in.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:10, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
** I tried using the enhanced setting, but I find it to also be more trouble than it is worth. The real solution is for people to read the notice on the front page before doing anything. If you can't do that, then I'm more than happy to warn people. As someone mentioned earlier, it may be worthwhile creating a templatized notice to post when people spam their user page with edits. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:13, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Tried [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Ampersand_solution_with_root_access#Another_option this], but seemingly to no avail (unless it's slow). Anyway, someone shoulda tried this / called for help earlier. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 12:39, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
* Just wanted to chime in on this issue. It would seem that the least troubling way to solve the problem is to avoid using the '+' symbol in the page/image names at all. It seems that Media wiki/Wikipedia also avoided using the '+' symbol in the page names. We can still use the '+' in the links as illustrated by Qwerty on April 10th. As far as benefits: there wouldn't be duplicate pages to redirect to the one with the '+' in the name, the pages would be accessible from the recent changes page, you can use the article tab at the top, it would take you back to the correct page after editing, and you could view the full sized images. The only disadvantage, as far as I can tell, is that the page name wouldn't be the same as the game data. Additionally, we're not yet sure how they will be localized, it may end up not being an issue at all. -[[User:Propagandist|Propagandist]] 01:48, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
* .. Okay. *breathes*
: So, I like categories. A lot, cause I like to have things organized.
: This could be seen over one year ago when I started making loads of [[Special:Categories|unnecessary categories]] such as '3* Weapons by GRM'. What did I think was the use of this? Trying to replicate db-like complex-parameter search functions, because I felt frustrated with the seeming limits of the wiki system. How did I believe it was possible to implement something like this? By using complex templates ([http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Aldaga_Steg&action=edit behold]) to automatically assign all of these categories; for example including a '3*' category whenever the template used for the 3* image is called.
: Yes, my old approach sucked. However, I have now added the (albeit slightly gimpy) [[Special:MultiCategorySearch|Multi-category search]] extension (along with the [[Special:Version|Breadcrumbs2]] one for good measure). My old system sucked, but I believe that by embededding new categories a la '1*' 'GRM' 'Sabers' in existing (relevant icon) templates, getting a functional version of that off the ground should be relatively easy.
: Not like I could do stuff without destroying existing standards or whatever, so, thoughts?
: Also, I feel like the image category thing would be pretty interesting, perhaps especially combined with this (even though the search function still does feel kind of old-fashioned with all this manual copy-pasting or typing out of names..). Blah, end comment, sleep. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 14:44, 26 May 2008 (CDT)

Raffon Field Base archive

2008-05-29T14:02:50Z

Sekani: archiving stuff

To help save space, older discussions and polls from [[The PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base|Raffon Field Base]] will be archived here.

=== Old template pages ===
I know this is probably asking for a lot, and I really shouldn't be so picky with it. But would somebody be able to compile a list of enemy, weapon, whatever pages that haven't been changed to the new standard template? I'd like to fix those, but really don't know where to start. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 12:35, 12 November 2007 (CST)
* After I made a similar list for the mission articles, I was considering doing the same for weapons, enemies, etc. It will take a boat load of time to do, but it's still possible. I'd suggest in the meantime to not worry about enemies, as I still need to make a few tweaks (in the way of a new infobox like what we're using for the mission articles) to the standard before mass-implementation. As for weapons, for now just select a weapon category from the list and work your way down (or up) checking each link to see if it's been converted over. Actually, I think that might be better than compiling a list since there would probably end up being hundreds of entries on that list. So, I guess enemies would be the major workload for something like this. Anyway, I'll see what I can do when I've got a chance. I'm at work right now, but will have to go shortly as I've got a project coming in very soon that I'll have to get started on. And thanks for your help! We really appreciate it! :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:47, 12 November 2007 (CST)
* [[Enemy list]]! Didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would. I still need to work out a few things with the infobox we'll use, so let's hold off on these articles for the time being. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:16, 12 November 2007 (CST)
* Oh Christ, I did my own one. [[Enemy Article List]]. Still I forgot about Espio's new infobox, so his one is the correct one. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:48, 12 November 2007 (CST)
* While on the topic, the PA pages have been long neglected, and I know we shouldn't be trying to put too much on the table at once, but I made(Or stole) a possible template that I think is much easier to read for each PA [http://psupedia.info/User:Saiffy/Sandbox here]. Now, I don't think each PA having their own page is really neccesary, but I think maybe each weapon type should have their own page for skills, rather than the cluttered mess we currently have. And, of course, anyones free to make a different template, or edit mine. It's not very original, obviously. But I somewhat like the consistently. --[[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 23:58, 12 November 2007 (CST)
** I like the idea of each PA having its own page. ;) Something very similar to what you have would be nice, but I think we should make some adjustments to the table designs to accommodate PA-specific info. (That one tiny table just looks a little funny.) When I have enough time, I'll try to run some ideas through my head. If I come up with anything I like, I'll throw together an article for it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:45, 14 November 2007 (CST)
* Seems good to me, although PP cost does increase at level 11 and 21 for all PAs, I think. Might be better to put that under Att./Acc. mods. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 03:23, 13 November 2007 (CST)

=== User pages ===
Gonna make it quick. A lot of people have been making user pages for themselves, and not contributing at all to the site. It gets annoying having to sort through all the recent edits when theres a bunch of user page edits in. This isn't directed at anyone really, but I doubt anyone who does it even checks RFB or recent edits. It's really not that big a deal, moreso a personal irk, but eh, I thought it can't hurt to bring it up -- [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 03:05, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* They could always be seperated from the main wiki, much like EspioKaos mentioned about having offline.psupedia, maybe there could be a matchup.psupedia? could work for guilds/teams. Guild wars has started doing this with their wikis and guilds. [http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Category:All_guilds Guild list] & [http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:A_Group_Of_Small_Girls Guild example] --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 22:29, 28 December 2007 (CST)
** It almost takes no effort to set up your own site just to recruit for your guild or clan or brag about elitist nonsense or whatever, and it does bug me to see people using PSUP for this purpose, especially when they have to intention of contributing to the site. This [[User:Ace|Ace]] guy for example. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 6 March 2008 (CST)
*** Really i would help in anyway i can with the site...however i just really dont have the time to work on finding the things yall need for the site, really all i do is just try to have fun but if i ever do find anything of useful knowledge i will help by putting it up for us, sorry a noob here :-) [[User:Twilights Keeper|Twilights Keeper]] 12:42, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Spoiler hide / unhide plugin ===
Are there any MediaWiki plugins for hiding and unhiding information with a button or switch? This would be useful for character and story related pages. This way we could have spoilers and they could only be revealed if the reader wanted it spoiled or if they already knew what happened. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 21:43, 25 December 2007 (CST)
* The one time I've needed to hide a spoiler (which wasn't really, but doesn't hurt to play it safe with this many whiners about) I've used <nowiki></nowiki> to hide the relevant text. It wouldn't be a plugin or clickable element, but if there was any significant need for regular spoiler hiding, a simple quick solution would be to use <nowiki>{{Spoiler}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{EndSpoiler}}</nowiki> templates to repeat the above, the latter of course being <nowiki></nowiki>. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:29, 26 December 2007 (CST)

=== Video embeds ===
Wow, this is coming off as IDEA after IDEA. But Video could be pretty useful, especially on pages such as; Individual Photon Arts pages, Rare monster sightings, Guides and other pages with demonstrations. All you'd need is to allow for the embed tag for video or whatever. Anyway, thought I'd throw the idea out there. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 22:25, 28 December 2007 (CST)
* I'm almost completely certain that the wiki system doesn't allow for such tags to function, lest they be used maliciously by unscrupulous editors. But, I may be wrong. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:23, 8 January 2008 (CST)
* There's no way to embed video in a wiki at this time. I just finished running around the mediawiki main site, and they're trying to figure out how to make it work. Only suggestion I can offer is linking a youtube video in the relevant articles for now. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 10:33, 19 January 2008 (CST)

===Yeah, so, um...===
Apologies in advance if it looks like I was trying to start some kind of site war with [http://pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=170300&forum=20&start=340&360#352 this comment.] The whole looking like a jerk thing I don't mind as much though. Please don't hurt me. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 01:07, 25 February 2008 (CST)
 
P.S.: Happy birthday Espio
* The evidence has since been removed. D: Ah, well. I saw the post in question before it was deleted, but kind of laughed with it. Nothing to worry about, though. And thanks for the birthday wishes. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:29, 25 February 2008 (CST)

=== Site overhaul ===
Correct me if I'm out of line. But I think the site is getting ready for an overhaul. May aswell, it's a new version of the game. Here's some things / projects I have in mind to improve the place;
* Mission center - A hub page for missions; Online, Offline, Story mode, Extra mode & ETC.
** Mission strategies - Not for online free missions, because they are a sinch. Moreover for Network Story Missions, which seem to annoy people to no end. These pages could include mission data, points and rewards. I don't see a point in having 2 pages for one mission. That would be giving the users an extra step (Or more finding the page).
* Main Page / Navigation - Self explanitory, the navigation is out of date and needs links to AoI related changes, story missions, monster pokedex and ETC.
** Main Page / Picture of the day/week - Wasn't this going to be implimented at some point? I don't see why it shouldn't be done, it will keep people coming back to see new images. This could even allow for image contests, improving site hits.
* Guides section - There's a category for guides, this MAY overlap with strategies within the mission center idea, but all it would need in that case would be links to each story mission. Aside from that, guides could range from; PM builds, Synth guides, Strategies for fast leveling and so forth.

Comments? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 04:03, 4 December 2007 (CST)

* I'll go through the points one-by-one:
** Mission center - we could use one, certainly, all we have right now are temporary pages. We could use pages for lobbies as well, though they might be a bit sparse.
** Mission strategies - agree, but I feel they should be links to another article (specifically marked as a guide) or an external link to another site.
** Main Page Navigation - yes, this does need an overhaul, and that's been the general consensus for some time. No-one has really designed anything satisfactory though. Design isn't my forte, so if you have any ideas I'll leave it to you.
** PotD/W - I think it's unnecessary, it's frivolous and nowhere near being objective information. If it gets support it can be done, but I'm just going to flat-out state that I will not be involved with it, since I have more important things to do on the site.
** Guides - I wouldn't be opposed to having more guides as I did make special provision for them, but they have to be written, we can't just pull these things out of our asses (or from other sites). See above comment about more important things. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:38, 4 December 2007 (CST)
* My thoughts:
** I'd like to come up with a more effective way of displaying all of the game's missions on one index page to have linked out to the individual articles. Ultimately, this would replace our current mission page.
** Strategies could be put in pages such as ''Illuminus Ambition 2 (guide)'' and similarly indexed in the guides section.
** I've been trying to think of a new main page navigation system, but can't seem to come up with something I like. One idea I had completely replaces the sidebar with our navigation links. Of course, all of our categories would have to be thinned down from what we have now. Wouldn't be a problem, as far as I see it. (It could use it, to be honest.)
** Picture of the day/week. Like Mewn said, it'd be an unnecessary addition. I'd only see it as something else for us to try to keep up with updating, taking away from valuable time we could put to use for more important features.
** Guides and strategies would do well lumped together. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:30, 4 December 2007 (CST)

Another main page idea I had was;
* New missions & Locations - The recent hill of spores set has been a bitch for common players to find, why not have something like this on the main page?--[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 00:14, 15 December 2007 (CST)
** The details on things like where to find new missions used to go in the [[Updates]] page, but then I fell behind on that and the slack never got picked up. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 01:22, 15 December 2007 (CST)
*** I picked up where you left off; only, I haven't been making the tables like you used to that show where to go to get to each mission. (The only thing I haven't added is yesterday's update, which I'm going to get to soon.) Of course, now with individual mission articles linked to in the updates, these tell you exactly where to go. But, I suppose for the sake of the lazy people who don't want to click an extra link, I can use the table format in my next update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:43, 15 December 2007 (CST)
**** Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like nobody had updated the page because that's clearly not the case :P - I'd just meant that the quick-find "Where to go" wasn't being done anymore. But like you say, it shouldn't be much of an issue, especially once navigation with missions becomes simpler. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 15:46, 15 December 2007 (CST)
***** It's no problem. :) Actually, this brings up something that you've mentioned many times before: an overhaul of the updates section. It's gotten huge (like Xbox). I'd like to go back over each update and redo everything to pretty things up some. I was thinking we could either make a page for each content update (Update_002, Update_034, etc.) or sort them out by months. Of course, we'd still keep everything cataloged on one page; perhaps sorted by months there. Ah, just some ideas to toss about for a later project. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:15, 15 December 2007 (CST)
****** That's a decent idea, provided it had a navigation table template to go with it. Maybe a "to be released" list or a list of japanese updates also? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 02:28, 16 December 2007 (CST)
******* JP updates would require much digging through their official site's now-messy log of updates, maintenances, events and notices. That said, a long-overdue re-standardisation of our updates page would be much desired. As for splitting the article... by month would be my preferred of the suggestion because per update results in many small articles. Perhaps take it a step further and split them by quarter? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:37, 22 December 2007 (CST)
* With a new sidebar navigation list in place, would it be out of place to have more social data on the front page? Like new missions OR most populated lobbies? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 21:43, 25 December 2007 (CST)
** I like the idea. I think it'd be nice to have a little more detailed info directly on the front page stating what new missions have just been released or what special events are going on or will be happening in the near future. More than what we've got with the news box thinger, at least. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:21, 25 December 2007 (CST)
* Might as well post a few suggestions here for the sake of putting them into this discussion. Here are some [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Main_page|front page]] and [[Site_map_(temp)|navigation]] ideas I came up with and here's a new [[User:Propagandist/Sandbox|front page]] layout by Propagandist. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:00, 26 December 2007 (CST) 
* So, I finally found something good for a logo. The image could use a little touching up still, but I don't have time at the moment. Leave feedback/complaints here. Oh, and 5 points to whoever can tell me where I got that design. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:23, 8 January 2008 (CST)
** I'll guess Episode 3, since it's the game I never played and I don't recognize the logo at all! Or is it some evil community-harming reference I don't get? D: --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 00:51, 9 January 2008 (CST)
*** No points for you. I never played PSO Ep. 3 either; this is from PSU. But really, looks good? Terrible? Horrendous? Spectacular? Shitacular? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:53, 9 January 2008 (CST)
**** Tell me what it's from and I'll tell you what I think :D --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:01, 9 January 2008 (CST)
***** It's from PSU. Now tell me how shitty it is. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:11, 9 January 2008 (CST)
****** Only think I dislike is it's a little pixelly, but I'm sure that's due to the source image and nothing you could have avoided. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:24, 9 January 2008 (CST)
******* I was wondering what logo you guys were on about, as I saw nothing uploaded or linked or anything. Then, all sudden-like, it appeared in the upper-left corner after hitting refresh about 10 times. XD It's from the GUARDIANS Colony Linear Line. It's seen on the signs that says "GUARDIANS Line" or something. Personally, I love it. I don't know if we really need the exclamation point in the title, though. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:18, 9 January 2008 (CST)
******** Espio wins the points. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 08:24, 9 January 2008 (CST)

=== Backpacker girl??! ===
[[Image:0012_female_student.jpg|thumb|Backpacker girl is lost.]]* So, when we gonna get backpacker girl back on the main page? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 20:41, 22 December 2007 (CST)

=== Suggestions ===
I've been thinking about various things to do around here lately, and I've realized there is much more than needs to be done than one person can do, or even remember at once. I propose that we add a new project page that describes in some detail (and prioritizes) various projects and edits that need to be completed. Or even just leaving it here would be fine, as long as we have a list of things for intrepid contributors to work on. So far, I've compiled the following list: 
→ With the 7Up Cup soon approaching, I would like to edit the [[1Up Platinum Cup]] page with more information, incorporating all the stuff conveniently listed [http://boards2.sega.com/psu_board/viewtopic.php?t=47326 here]. Additionally, I'd like to get drop charts up for each mission (and EX mission, mostly), so people know what drops where. I'd like to have this done before the start of the event, though I myself do not have the time to do it all. 
→ With the changes in AoI (only the beginning of which we are starting to see from the JP version), the [[S-Rank Listing]] page's drop column is starting to look a little strained. For this and the sake of simplicity, I would like to eventually have drop charts for each and every mission, either incorporated into the mission page, or (preferably) on their own page. This would be a long term project, as it obviously would require quite a lot of effort from many individuals, but it is something that should be done at some point. While we're on the topic, I should note that only rare or otherwise noteworthy items would be mentioned in these charts. Things such as Moon X boards or rare ores (which drop anywhere) would be left out. 
→ As discussed recently on my user talk page, if at all possible, we would like find someone capable of programming a stat gathering and calculating tool to be hosted on the site. It would have to be separate from the wiki framework, unfortunately. 
→ Failing the above, it would behoove us to create several "information gathering" pages, in which users could display their stats for various race/type/level/etc. These could then be used to create summary articles with updated stat modifiers and the like for AoI. 
→ Similarly, we may want to create pages for gathering synthesis rate information, since these data will also be changing somewhat drastically with AoI. There is currently no resource that lists such information, so I reckon many would find it useful. 
→ Many weapon pages (but most importantly S-Ranks) still need to be either created or updated to the new format, and the vast majority lack pictures. I would like to encourage anyone who has the time and resource to help create new pages when able. Additionally, I would like to post a topic on the official forum (and possibly POSW) requesting pictures to be submitted for the articles. If anyone remembers Keg's picture request topic from the BB forum, something along those lines, except users could just upload the pictures here directly. 
→ Similar to the above topic, I would like to begin collecting images of the new AoI weapons, just to give viewers a taste for what is to come, or to show off new weapon manufacturers. 
→ I'd really like to get a new logo for the corner up there. The radish looks awesome and all, but it has nothing to do with PSU whatsoever, and frankly it seems silly.
→ I've more ideas, but I can't think of them at the moment. 
So, any and all comments on any part of these suggestions would be much appreciated. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:20, 11 October 2007 (BST)
** I was always under the impression it was supposed to be a vine leaf. >_> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 08:42, 12 October 2007 (BST)
*** You're probably right, but it looks rather silly regardless. Anyway, I threw together a few [http://psupedia.info/qwerty/wikilogos example logos] in my spare time. I'm not going to lie, these don't look very good (though better than the ones I made a while back), but it gives an idea of what we could potentially do. Personally, I'd prefer if we could just get some very simple (yet still PSU-oriented) picture with a transparent background, like the current one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 04:40, 13 October 2007 (BST)
**** Yeah, something simple would be nice I guess. I'd say the first logo thingy is out right away for its aggressive colours (sorry to be blunt), but the Colony Square one doesn't look bad at all. As for the text, I like the black font better (more subtle than the blue one), but as for the contents I somehow always preferred omitting the 'the', whyever it was part of the site name in the first place. ~_~ - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:28, 14 October 2007 (BST)

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* At one point I tried to make a 'to do' page, and subsequently Hitomi did (which still [[TODO|exists]] by the way), but they ended up being neglected mostly. As for stat modifiers, the easiest way to figure them out is probably using the available (Japanese) sites. I reckon those would be far more relevant than 'level xxx male human base stats', so from there on it should be easy mostly. If I could get some tips on how to go about implementing a stat gathering/calculation system I'd still totally do it by the way (since certain other sites might be closed down at any time). In any case, good initiative. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 12:00, 11 October 2007 (BST)
* I've kind of been holding off on creating new weapon articles (excluding ''Illuminus''-exclusives) since so much of the data on our current arsenal will be changed next month (or thereabouts). We could, of course, get a jump on things by gathering the changed stats and storing them on weapon talk pages until the change. Also, one thing I think should be added to the list is the redesign of the front page. I'll see if I can think of anything else, but for now, I've got to get back to work. D: - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 11 October 2007 (BST)
* [http://mewn.psupedia.info/illuminus_images Weapon images here]. Obviously still a lot of weapons I haven't/can't get my hands on. Includes some old S-Ranks such as Skela and Muzzlefever because I wanted pics of them. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 11 October 2007 (BST)
** Just wow. I'm amazed; quite some of these look simply stunning (Cubo Simba, Okarod, Vambrella, to name a few). Awesome job. :> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 23:58, 11 October 2007 (BST)
** Indeed. Anyway, I'm debating whether we should start adding those images for items, as I think it would be preferable to get an assortment of images from various characters, just for the sake of variety. As for weapon pages, I see no problem in going ahead and making them. The only major thing that will change with AoI is synth percents, and we don't know most of those anyway. But yes, those pics are indeed nice. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:37, 12 October 2007 (BST)
*** We might as well use them. I agree on the variety thing, but we can always add new pictures later. Once I get my new contutor (<_<), I'll ''finally'' be able to start contributing weapon pictures. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that we can just move some of these pictures to the gallery at the bottom of a page when we start getting new characters using the weapons. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:50, 14 October 2007 (BST)

===Category cleanup===
After creating and categorizing some random item articles, I realized how overgrown the categories section is. It needs to be spruced up something fierce. I mean, do we really need categories for each star rarity of each weapon, item or material? Personally, I think the categories should be shrunk down to a much more reasonable size by removing the filler, especially since most have barely been used. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:44, 11 August 2007 (BST)
* At the time I figured a complex hierarchical cross-category system might make up for one of the weaknesses of wikis over regular database systems: providing complex searching functionality. I got kind of frustrated, but eventually came to the conclusion wikis and database systems just have different strengths, that at this point seem to be very hard to combine into one. At the time I liked ideas like the templates that would automatically put items into 'Items containing <Ingredient>' categories or whatever it was, though it seems to be gone now. Eventually I gave up and decided I felt like pages dedicated to a single item would be best left to db systems that could just automatically generate them, but didn't want to force my opinion onto others, and stopped trying to work on developing item database templates (the ones I did make were a terrible mess, and mostly aimed to imitate real databases by converting all raw data into tables and automatically adding any derived values, such as PM feeding bonuses). Now, I feel that way even more strongly, because the times have changed -- PSOW is doing a way better on job on its item database as it used to. Kef finally started helping them out too, and although I'm not quite seeing them adding unicode or multi-lingual support yet, and even though I strongly oppose sorting items that largely fit logical patterns by alphabetic order (currently taken into account for the most part, although for [http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/1/weapons/ weapons] 'Brand' has yet to be made the tertiary sorting method after weapon types and star rarity), they're doing just about anything else. That's just me though -- I wouldn't have a clue anymore how much people actually use the in-depth item articles over here. Depending on that, yeah, the huge category overload might be obsolete. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:21, 11 October 2007 (BST)

=== Individual Weapon Page Redesign Discussion: Join In! ===
Announcing this so more people'll see it: In light of the weapon info template's broken nature, several of us have been proposing redesigns for those pages. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page|Querty's is here]], and [[User:F_Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon_Page_Redesign:_Yasminakov_0002_Example|this is my counterproposal]]. [[User_talk:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page|Join the discussion]] and say which one you like better, or how either could be improved! [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 14:44, 1 August 2007 (BST)

=== Attention Duelists: New Weapon Page Standard ===

For any intrepid young editors interested in helping out the 'pedia, [[Sandbox:Spears#Minimalist_Table_3_w.2Ficons.26centering|here]] is a link to the new standard for weapon pages. For examples of this new standard in use, see [[Axes]], [[Spears]], [[Swords]]. Thank you, and have a wonderful day. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 02:43, 29 July 2007 (BST)

=== Wait a damn minute, here! ===
Over the past half year I've taken to working on the article for [[Machineguns]] and the indivdual weapons themselves since they're mostly neglected by other editors here at PSUPedia. At times, I feel like I'm the only one adding and editing to it. Notcing a nicer version of the weapons stats tables in other articles, I blended its style with the information I added to the Machineguns article.

I was told someone had reverted the work I had put into the article recently and found a rather abrasive comment by Beatrixkiddo, who had mostly undid my work. Pardon me, but I have ''not'' seen a Manual of Style on this website nor ''any'' notice here at Raffon about a discussion of such. I looked through here and did a few searches of the site; hell, I even looked at the discussion page for [[Weapons]]. ''Nothing.'' I told him to show me just where his less-detailed version of the table is the official standard and I would concede; Qwerty re-reverted the article with a link to an obscure Sandbox page.

He clams that page contains "the new standard" and that most of my information "was deemed unnecessary," but I can't discern ''any'' sort of concensus or decree in that sandbox page's discussion to say whether or not a standard was authorized! I see a few comments on what design people like best, some suggestions, but that's it.

While I'm annoyed with Beatrix's attitude towards my efforts, I'm not fuming over having my work "stepped on." I fully realize that this is an open encyclopedia and anything added is open to editing. What I'm irritated with is the lack of clarity and visibility pertaining to something that's, apparently, a standard. A standard in which much of the information I had been adding was "unnecessary" and open to removal with accompanying snide remarks. If "standards are there for a reason" I damn well think there should be clearly marked information about it. Even Wikipedia does that!

Somebody's probably going to say that it's my responsibility to inspect the Recent Changes and that I would have seen the discussion in progress, but I don't prowl the Recent Changes (much less this site) from day to day to know when discussions about style are taking place, much less in poorly marked sandboxes, and I'm sure I'm not the only one! [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:33, 28 July 2007 (BST)

* lolk. What attitude? I said in my comment I hated to step on your feet, but that there was a standard. Obviously you noticed there was a new weapons page style in place (since you used it for the machinegun page). All other pages that I (and others such as Miraglyth) have converted to the new style lack the JP Name, Buy Price, Sell Price, etc, which I removed from your edit. I did not "completely remove" your work. I removed the things you kept that the new standard does not use. I don't "prowl" the Recent Changes either, but all it would have taken on your part was a quick comment on my talk page "Why did you modify my edit?", not a revert of my edit. If you'd like to discuss things civilly, [[User_talk:Beatrixkiddo|the sky's the limit]]. As for Qwerty's revert of your revert; he's a SysOp, and has every right to do so. His comment was not "an obscure sandbox", it was the place of discussion where this new standard was discussed for quite some time. Due to a lack of responses other than me, Mewn, Qwerty, and I think Tycho, Miraglyth decided to forge ahead with his choice for the standard. Feel free to contact me if you have anything else you'd like to ask about. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 02:40, 29 July 2007 (BST)

* Hello, Mr. Gattaca. I believe I played with you a few nights ago. At any rate, you are correct in stating that the discussion on the spear sandbox page was far from conclusive, and although it was not noted anywhere (now noted above), the table format currently in use on [[Spears]] and the like was the one that has been chosen, and it is slowly but steadily being implemented. Do not think that we do not value your contributions, as that is certainly not true. However, you must accept that article standards will be changed, and some of your contributions may be altered. Thus is the nature of the beast. It would be great if we could have announcements and such for whenever a standard or template has changed, but the core contributing group of this wiki is but a few individuals, all of whom have other obligations and cannot afford to pour in the time needed to note every template/standard change meticulously. Hell, we can't even find time to change all the weapon type pages to the new template, much less the time needed to make a consistent "Manual of Style". So please, bear with us. If things seem really disorganized and confusing, they probably are. Now, regarding Beatrixkiddo's comment, I do not think he was rude, and I know that he certainly was not intending to seem rude. If you wish to discuss this further, just go ahead and leave me a note on my talk page or something. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:46, 30 July 2007 (BST)
**I'm unsure if the two of you are even aware of this statement in my original comment, since you've both seen fit to lecture me about the nature of PSUPedia's open editability/Querty's rights as a sysop, but ''I'm not fuming over having my work "stepped on." I fully realize that this is an open encyclopedia and anything added is open to editing.'' All editing pages have a warning about this! Again, it was the whole lack of clear standards and Beatrixkiddo's attitude concerning them ("standards are there for a reason" when standards aren't actually ''there''--not to mention his "lolk" attitude here) that has me fuming. I suppose Beatrixkiddo's providing a link here to the specific table in question on that sandbox is a step forward in the right direction, but I suggest a more permanent solution. It should be possible to create more "The PSUPedia" articles; having a sidebar link pointing to a Manual of Style page with subpages concerning different preferred layouts/tables/terminology would make this much more accessible to everyone. On that note; yes, Beatrixkiddo, the Spears sandbox ''was'' obscure and would continue to be had you not linked it here--as far as I can tell your link to it here at Raffon is the only place to find it on this site save Querty's link in the [[Machineguns]] edit history. For starters, it's a ''subpage'' of the main sandbox, and the whole discussion about standards took place there as well. The discussion didn't happen in a more visible area such as, say, the [[Weapons]] discussion page, nor was there any notice/announcement that I can see so that people could voice their opinions about what they personally find useful. Just keep in mind; this kind of thing will matter every time SEGA introduces an expansion that has a new subset of weapons. If this kind of thing wasn't brought to light, people like me who aren't "in" on secluded agreements to use a standard will have this problem when they go to make articles on [[Whips]], [[Madoogs]] and [[Shadoogs]]. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 04:30, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** If you have the time to develop a Manual of Style, then be my guest. Unfortunately, I don't have time, and neither do the other regular contributors, who number around five by my count, by the way. Everything you say is true (except the comment on Beatrixkiddo being rude, trust me, he had no intention of seeming snarky). Unfortunately, we're all too busy to deal with it right now. Can you at least appreciate that fact? You just have to appreciate that if any of the regular contributors changes something and references some new standard, we do know what we are talking about, even if it isn't clear immediately. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 04:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**** I'm starting on a [[Manual of Style]] right now. I'm at work right now, however, so I probably won't be able to get much done with it until later. But, let's all try to make this a priority of ours. We need to officially document a uniform style and put it into use. I've seen way too many people elsewhere say that they don't like how unprofessional and sloppy certain articles look here due to a lack of uniformity. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:34, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**** I agree it should be a priority, I'm not exactly sure what to put in a Manual of Style though, but yeah, the site does need to be consistent. Oh, and Gattaca, you say you're 'fuming' - well, I suggest you calm down a bit. Beatrixkiddo has proven his worth as a contributor, as have you, and he was not attempting to be rude to you. Hot-headedness will only create problems here, so I'd like to see a little less of it on all sides, thanks. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:10, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***** Believe me, Querty; if I knew how to add special "Wiki:" pages (not to mention adding them to the sidebar), I'd volunteer to take care of it myself. However, I think at least part of that is only doable by admins. EpisoKaos is already starting a Manual of Style page, so I will help get the ball rolling there. And Mewn--much of the querulousness I have concerning Beatrixkiddo and the "hidden standard" that resulted in the removal of much of my work stems from his attitude compounded with the wasted time invested in developing the article as I did. I actually spent a few hours clumsily trying to understand the new table format and then modifying it to accept what information already existed in the Machineguns article. I understand that pretty much all of you agree he wasn't rude, though my perspective differs. Perhaps it's just my experience with people on the internet who will use smilies/tongue emotes or some form of "friendly" or "inoffensive" chaff to cover snide/abrasive behavior (PVP Online [http://www.pvponline.com/article/1752/Thu-Sep-18?y= has observed this]) that I've come to expect it. Beatrixkiddo's "lolk" attitude only reinforced my opinion. When it comes to anger over wasted time, it's in some ways similar to the animosity people feel on Wikipedia when they toil over an article, striving to make it informative, well written, and adequately sourced ... only to see the article deleted by others. It can be quite discouraging, you know? At any rate, I don't want to have this problem again, and I'd rather not see it happen to others. I've already added a preliminary guide on the Manual of Style concerning the weapons table format with some pointers of how it works and what to do. I based the "example and code" table on Wikipedia's own manual of style pages, modified for PSUPedia's preferred table appearance. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 18:55, 31 July 2007 (BST)

=== money and mission points info ===
has any 1 madde a table of the money and misson points onall the diffrent ranke for each mission? please respond -- The preceeding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Naptownz Elite|Naptownz Elite]].
* Naptownz Elite, please sign your comments and work on your spelling. You are looking for [[Mission Chart]], by the way. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:24, 9 July 2007 (BST)

=== Offline info\Enemy Info ===
Is it really that neccesary to have info on offline weapons/enemies/whatever? Maybe it's just me, but some of the pages look really, really, well, bad with all that crap. And I think it's safe to assume that most, if not all, people use PSUPedia for online info.

Totally unrelated, but I also think the pages for enemies should be reworked so all of them follow the same layout. Show level per mission, exp, HP. If someone can make a layout, I'd gladly add in all the info. Eventually add in drops too, perhaps.
Examples:
http://psupedia.info/Gol_Dolva
http://psupedia.info/Badira
http://psupedia.info/Goshin
They're all pretty different, and some are missing info. [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:24, 2 July 2007 (BST)

* Sign your blasted comments. Also, I've been starting to do this in the weapon articles, see [[Spears]] or [[Wands]] for examples. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:34, 2 July 2007 (BST)
* Forgot tildes LOL.

I'll just have to steal that layout and fix up other weapon types then :3 [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:24, 2 July 2007 (BST)

* Great stuff! Hope you stick around for a while :) - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 01:34, 3 July 2007 (BST)

*I think it's a good thing that it has offline info - I can't play online and use PSUPedia a lot.Granted, it's lack of info about offline drops annoys me, but.. eh. I think I will try and correct that on my next playthrough (I plan to slow down then) [[User:Tokorona|Tokorona]] 02:50, 6 July 2007 (BST)

*I agree with Tokorona, the offline info is necessary for people like me who prefer to try out various gaming strategies in the Extra mode, where meseta is plentiful and level-ups come quickly. [[User:Trooper1023|Trooper1023]] 05:27, 25 July 2007 (BST)

=== Question on Style ===
I was discussing with someone about some edits to a certain article. I was told that my edits required dumbing down because my use of speech was far too elaborate. It kind of caught me off guard, but it now strikes me as a more sweeping issue then something limited to a singular article. So, I am going to pose the question here. Is my use of speech far too elaborate to be used in these articles of PSUpedia? Or shall I try to stick to a more simplistic array of words? It is not like I am intentionally trying to pull fancy words out of my rear, I just normally write like this, I blame my father. In either case, I'm going to leave the question of style here, how elaborate is too elaborate? --[[User:Ccelizic|Ccelizic]] 20:05, 13 June 2007 (BST)
* I have a somewhat similarly elaborate style of writing too, which is natural for me. I'd say it doesn't really matter, so long as you are getting the message across. People don't necessarily have to write like you to understand what you write, so I see no need to dumb down. I'd just make a general point, not aimed at anyone in particular, to avoid obvious things such as slang, internet terms or phrases (even popular ones), irrelevant and/or esoteric jargon, and words which will likely confuse people or send them scuttering to dictionary.com. I suppose also it's worth noting that this is supposed to be a resource for any and all players (even Japanese ones, if we ever trump their sites), and obviously not everyone has such a good grasp of English as native speakers do. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 02:32, 14 June 2007 (BST)
* What Mewn said. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 03:30, 14 June 2007 (BST)
*It would also be a good point that not everyone that uses this site is on the same education level. Gamers of all ages use this site so some reservation on using large words need to be taken. Remember a twenty-seven year old English major can write using words that a twelve year old middle school student wouldn't even know where to begin translating into understandable, useful language. Don’t consider this to be dumbing down as much as it is making anything you write understandable to a wide audience. [[User:Lillostxsoul|LillostXSoul]] 04:47, July 23, 2007 (CST)

=== Project:Copyrights ===
Look at that block of text below your editor window. It goes on saying how this is released under the GNU Free Documentation Liscense 1.2. And then, as you can see it directs the user to look at [[Project:Copyrights]] for more information. Now, that link spits over to something nonexisitant. Is that intentional? Do we need someone to get that legal information in there? Did ninja kidnap it? Or is that some link that needs to be removed from the editor page? Maybe I'm obssessing over something asinine, but it seemed to strike me as something worth bringing up. --[[User:Ccelizic|Ccelizic]] 06:39, 13 June 2007 (BST)
* It's something the wiki system kinda automatically generates whether or not people are going to use it, IIRC. Looks like Hitomi is the last one that changed it, and a quick search for 'tsukimono' reveals that it probably isn't going to be editable from the wiki itself. I'd get to the file and change it, but then again, I just never bothered to find out what file/directory it's in anyway. >_> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:35, 11 October 2007 (BST)

=== Massive edits ===
To those who edit/add to this site, can I ask you to PLEASE use the preview button? It's not that far away from the submit button. It lowers the ammount of posts listed in the Recent Changes page. It just gets in the way and makes it harder to keep track of what's been updated. Thank you for reading this.[[User:Rydia|Rydia]] 08:17, 30 March 2007 (BST)
* Not to mock you, but while this is a talk page, the "Raffon Field Base" project means to leave comments in the article itself! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 17:37, 30 March 2007 (BST)
** Oops ^_^'' My appologies. Wasn't totaly sure where I was supposed to place this.[[User:Rydia|Rydia]] 18:27, 30 March 2007 (BST)
** I'll take the liberty of moving it. For the record: I agree with you, 2 or maybe even 3 edits to correct mistakes made is acceptable... but when you start seeing six or more consecutive edits on the same article, it starts to seem like a piss-take. I would urge people to use the Preview function, and better yet, to check and double check what they have put. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:07, 30 March 2007 (BST)
** Even failing that, the least people could do would be to use the "Summary" box to detail the cause of so many edits. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 04:05, 31 March 2007 (BST)
** Well, people don't seem to have taken much notice of this, and the same sections of articles are repeatedly being edited over a small period of time by the same person. Is there anything anyone can think of to stop this, without being ridiculously harsh? [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:14, 1 April 2007 (BST)
** Is it possible to put a timer on how quickly a single account can edit one page? If you could put this on then people would be forced to either use the preview effectively or wait an incredibly long time to complete a page, I'm not sure on the limitations of this Wiki, so it's just an idea. [[User:Wormania|Wormania]] 23:55, 1 April 2007 (BST)

=== Planet Maps ===
Can someone get/compile a map of the planets, with locations? The small cut of the maps on the mission screen, is not really helpful for an overview. - The preceeding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mixilli|Mixilli]].
* Before I lost the net I was working on some maps. I made only 1 map so far, Linear Line "A" path(I call it A, not the A from Rare Monster's Page). Maybe I sould do that again. It was a challange, but fun. [[User:Rydia|Rydia]] 04:58, 31 March 2007 (BST)
** I thought Mixilli meant the planets themselves, with "the mission screen" being referred to as the overhead "map" screen you get when at the mission counters. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:12, 31 March 2007 (BST)
*** Huh. beats me really. hough I wouldn't mind maping as much of he game as I can and is needed of me. Maybe I could do "box" locaions better then my original map. [[User:Rydia|Rydia]] 07:33, 31 March 2007 (BST)
** I've been maintaining a map of all the missions for each planet, just for my own use. It shows how they link up, and what level enemies there are. I could make an image of these if that would be helpful. [[User:Pob|Pob]] 11:08, 4 April 2007 (BST)
* Quite late, but here you are; [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/PSU/parum_map.jpg Parum], [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/PSU/neudaiz_map.jpg Neudaiz], [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/Tycho01/PSU/moatoob_map.jpg Moatoob]; stolen straight from PSU-Wiki's image board (originals [http://www.psu-wiki.info/upbbs/lib/printimage.php?id=00002777.jpeg]~9.jpeg; ugly filled-up versions I can't seem to get to Photobucket [http://www.psu-wiki.info/upbbs/lib/printimage.php?id=00002785.jpeg]~7.jpeg). Sorry, no Colony one. :< - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:59, 11 October 2007 (BST)

=== Rappy Paska ===
* Isn't easter rappies called Rappy Baska not Rappy Paska? i changed it to baska but sum1 changed it to Paska. - The preceeding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Wild Goose|Wild Goose]].
** In-game they are called Rappy Paska. Yes, this does mean that the English website preview is wrong. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 03:09, 25 March 2007 (BST)
*** Most likely a mistranslation on SoA's part. Rappy Paska in katakana is ラッピー･パスカ (''Rappii Pasuka'') whereas Baska would be バスカ. Kinda easy to mistranslate the first kana due to the similar symbols. Paska is correct, however, as it probably refers to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paska_%28bread%29 Paska bread]. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:27, 25 March 2007 (BST)
**** Interesting, I always figured it was a bastardization of the word "paschal," but I guess the bread makes sense too. SoA was probably thinking Baska as in Easter Basket. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:30, 25 March 2007 (BST)
***** Could be. I guess they were trying to americanize it? but yea easter basket= Baska.--[[User:Wild Goose|Wild Goose]] 19:56, 25 March 2007 (BST)
****** lol, multi-lingualism. Actually I think the chance SoJ knows about Ukranian easter bread is pretty slim. Check [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easter this]; half of the article names in other languages it refers to are similar to this. Really, the English term is the odd one out. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 18:01, 27 March 2007 (BST)
*******it really is an odd one. it is basically the only one that does not sound like the hebrew wording. i guess we hav to be unique :)--[[User:Wild Goose|Wild Goose]] 21:42, 27 March 2007 (BST)
****** Heh, I didn't notice that, Tych. Admittedly, I only know Easter in three languages (English, French - Pâques, and German - Ostern) and thought the whole Paska thing too much the same to be mere coincidence. A shame if it was just a reference to Pascha or whatever, at least a reference to Ukranian bread would be far more interesting than just 'hay guyz we bastardized Easter in a foreign language lol'. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 01:19, 28 March 2007 (BST)

===New item container===
[[Image:newitembox.jpg|thumb|200px|right|New Item Box]]

* I found this on easter peril i have some pics of it. the wierd part was its on the ceiling. i dont know if it has any better droprate than normal. [[User:Loki|Loki]] 16:11, 14 April 2007 (CST)
** Not sure if they have any particular higher droprate. I've heard they can drop Something Sweet but I don't really know, maybe someone else here knows more than me. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:25, 14 April 2007 (BST)
*** That has been known about since the day Eastern Peril came out. They just seem to have a slightly different drop list than the other containers, often dropping Something Sweet, buff items, and Scape Dolls. They also drop assorted berries. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 03:43, 15 April 2007 (BST)
* Yeah, unfortunately, different kinds of containers do have different drops, but the PSU guide book thing never elaborated on this much. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:24, 11 October 2007 (BST)

===Main page linking===
I understand the use of the search box, but i do feel that the site could use some bettermain page linking to other pages. For example AoI is in hot discussion right now, but there is no way to get there unless you do a search or go to categories. Im not trying to put this job off on anyone else, but im not very good with wiki editing and parts or the main page are restricted to normal users. Tell me what you think. And on a side note, what happened to the pick of the day idea, or even pick of the week, that would be cool. [[User:Loki|Loki]] 21:41, 17 April 2007 (CST)
* I think I was the only person who's really been pushing for additions of this nature - for example, I've done a small amount of fiddling with [[User:Miraglyth/Sandbox#Test_Navigation|a possible new Navigation section]]. The trouble IMO is that almost nobody else seems to care. For similar reasons our Photon Fortune situation is awful, our Rare Monsters tables are still inconsistent and ugleh despite [[User:Miraglyth/Sandbox#Rare_Spawn_Mockup|work to]] [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|improve it]] and the "new logos" work has amounted to nothing. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:56, 18 April 2007 (BST)
** I see the work you do around here, and I for one really apreciate it. I not entirely wiki knowlegable, in fact this is the first one ive worked on, but an online game of this nature can not have its guides created by a single person. It is way to massive, and there is way to much data to be compiled to rest on the shoulders of one. Im trying my best here and if there is anything you want help with im game. The PSU community needs to help each other out. [[User:Loki|Loki]] 15:38, 18 April 2007 (CST)
** I really do like [[User:Miraglyth/Sandbox#Rare_Spawn_Mockup|your work]] on Rare Monsters tables better than the current one. What refrain you from adding it? (Beside the hard work). Also, that would be better with links to monsters pages. The really good thing with yours is that everything fit on the screen. Anyway if you need help adding this design, please ask. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 15:54, 25 April 2007 (BST)
*** It's that nobody else in the discussion pages for Qwerty or myself have lent any support or criticism. There's no point mass-implementing something of this scale only to have people '''then''' turn around and say "Oh no let's go back to the old one." so I'm stuck doing nothing until people - regulars and sysops - actually say something ¬_¬ - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 25 April 2007 (BST)
*** I believe I [[User Talk:Miraglyth/Sandbox|lent my support for it]]... [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:04, 26 April 2007 (BST)
* I agree that we need a better sort of "site-map" or directory of some sort, or at least we need to reorganize which links are in the main menu, because otherwise entire articles can get overlooked (sort of like the two I worked out today, there's no real good place from which to link them in the current setup). While I am not terribly familiar with the functioning of categories, templates, or table coding, I can try to work on something now that schoolwork is finally letting up. I'd also like to see us reorganize the [[Rare Monsters]] page to make it fit with the template Miraglyth has worked out. These are all things I've wanted to do for a while, but thus far I've been too preoccupied with shoolwork and pestering Mira on the forums to work them out. Hopefully we can make some headway on this stuff in the coming weeks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]]
** Just another comment: I think expandable/collapsible menus might help a lot with organizing things, either in the sidebar or on the main page. However, it seems that can only be done with javascript, and I sure as hell don't know any java, nor do I even know if it would work in the wiki context. Either way, it's something to consider. I may also try to draw up a rough sitemap later tonight if I have time. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:10, 9 May 2007 (BST)
*** Me yet again. I found some [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree wiki extension] that allows for the creation of collapsible menus and such. I'm assuming Tycho or HitmonCHAN would have to install this then, yes? It does seem like something that would be very helpful for organizing menus in a compact fashion, allowing the linking to many articles from the main page. Thoughts? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 22:06, 9 May 2007 (BST)
*** That extension sounds good, but Tych currently doesn't have FTP access and I don't expect Hitomi to bother with this site, as he works on PSUTopia now. Once it is installed I'll play around with it and see what I can come up with. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:36, 10 May 2007 (BST)
*** [[Special:Version|Here]] you go. One CategoryTree extension, yo. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 18:30, 10 May 2007 (BST)
**** Doesn't look like this is necessarily what is needed as it is an automated tree generator. The only way this will work is with a lot of clean up of associated categories. At that point it would work (possibly quite nicely), but everyone would need to be very vigilant about keeping their entries properly maintained or they would never make it into the tree. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:45, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** BTW, was AJAX enabled ($wgUseAjax = true;)? Clicking the + doesn't do anything other than say "loading" -- In any case, a lot of work will be needed to make this work in a useful manner, given that there would be multiple paths all leading back to the same thing. Weapons has Rifles underneath it along with Two Handed Weapons -> Rifles and Ranged Weapons -> Rifles. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 16:04, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** I guess this is no longer being looked at. I have to guess that AJAX wasn't enabled based on the things I'm seeing when using the CategoryTree extension. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 16:48, 15 August 2007 (BST)
*****This would be very useful, especially if we're planning on cleaning up the categories anyway. So, who might be able to enable AJAX to get these working proper? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:54, 15 August 2007 (BST)
****** Tycho and Hitomichan are the only ones who can do it. Tycho is allegedly in Mexico, and Hitmonchan...yeah. Uh, anyway, I'm actually now thinking list pages might be better than this, simply because they would be easier to implement. And no, we haven't forgotten about this, we're simply too busy with other things at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:10, 15 August 2007 (BST)
****** Monthly checkin on the AJAX question :) Category cleanup + CategoryTree might be a good thing... Is anyone back from the wild? --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 14:34, 21 September 2007 (BST)
******* I'd suggest leaving a note for Tycho on his user page, since he and Hitmonchan are the only ones with FTP access. I personally have no idea how to fix that stuff. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:02, 22 September 2007 (BST)
******** Some others - self included - do, but I don't think it's to the level of being able to add stuff like that. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 21:04, 10 October 2007 (BST)
********* Yet I don't? DDDD: --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:08, 10 October 2007 (BST)
* Not going to count asterisks, but in any case, your interface proposals are awesome, Mira. I tried giving the Main Page a bit of an overhaul (at least swapping navigation and the introduction around), but whenever I did the code just seemed to mess up big. As for Ajax, I just checked the FTP, and actually it was included at the same time as the CategoreeTree extension, so I have no clue what went wrong. Currently, the part in question is as follows (omitting breaklines and surrounded by quotes): "require_once("$IP/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php" ); $wgUseAjax = true; require_once('extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php' ); $wgCategoryTreeOmitNamespace = true;". The two wiki extensions it seems to have installed [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version properly], and the Ajax line was just a c-p as well, so then I have no clue what went wrong, unless they were supposed to be in completely different places in the files. In any case, I'll apologize for the delay -- I actually wasn't aware of this issue until now either. Anyway, looks like the new staff is going to need the FTP details as well. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:39, 11 October 2007 (BST)
** While this is probably unimportant at this point, I just noticed that CategoryTree is mysteriously working all of the sudden. Well, whatever. It may yet prove useful for organizing pages, but perhaps not. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:52, 23 January 2008 (CST)

===monsters have 2 pages each===
*There is a double page for monster data one at http://www.psupedia.info/index.php?title=Monsters and one at http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Category:Monsters. These links should for each monster should all link tothe same monster page. [[User:Loki|Loki]] 16:04, 17 April 2007 (CST)
* [[:Category:Monsters]] is an auto-generated page created by placing individual articles into the Monster category, hence it just serves as a listing of all the monster articles in the game. The purpose for this is different than the standard Monsters page, which to me would seem rather data-heavy when I just wanted to look through the Monsters category. In addition, there are further subcategories (Colony Monsters, S-Rank Monsters, Rare Monsters etc.) that would be pointless if the Category was made to redirect to the [[Monsters]] article. I don't like the idea of making them the same article anyway - the whole purpose of the Category: articles is merely to provide perhaps a bit of text and a listing of the articles within that category and little else. My $0.02. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:10, 18 April 2007 (BST)

===Fourth-Stage Alternate PMs===
I've started work on a table for the specifics of the alternate battle-capable PM models. It's in the [[Sandbox]] at the moment; I figured I should make it easy for other people to contribute as well.
*Once I got my main character's PM to lvl 80 (410), I took 'her' into a couple of free missions, and did fairly well. A few days later, I bought the 411 upgrade on a whim (an expensive, 50k whim but oh well ^_^; ).
*Turns out, I much prefer the 411 to the 410. My main's FT, and I Strike-leveled his PM with the intent of using 'her' as a defensive wall. The 411's sword PA is Tornado Break (level 21+, with all three hits!), which is much better for my purposes than the 410's Spinning Break.
*I'm bringing this up here because I think players should have the detailed information about the alternate PM models WITHOUT having to blow the 50k and test one out themselves. I lucked out and got exactly what I wanted, but I could have gone with the 412 and ended up very dissatisfied AND out 50,000 precious meseta (for the character's level, he perpetually broke!).
Anyway, on with life. Players in the know, please help your fellows who aren't, and assist me in completing this table? Thanks. [[User:Trooper1023|Trooper1023]] 05:41, 25 July 2007 (BST)
**Well, the table has been moved to [[Partner_Machinery#Alternate_PM_Details|Alternate PM Details]], and officially adopted by PSUPedia! Thanks to everyone who helped! This little article can be archived now. [[User:Trooper1023|Trooper1023]] 16:30, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
*I have been helping out in the Partner Machinery section, there are comment charts need to be filled.[[User:MayLee|MayLee]] 12:50, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Luck Table/Log Error ===
I usually check this table to see which of my characters have luck on a daily basis. Today there seems to be something wrong with the code. I have no idea how to even try to fix it. Maybe someone does? It was fine yesterday but when I went to check it today it was all messed up. --[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 22:42, 10 August 2007 (BST)

=== Format comparison ===
I've been thinking of compiling a page on comparing each copy of psu. A page for users unsure of which version suits them, where they can see what effects them and makes life easier. For instance; PS2 version being poor, but better than nothing or 360 having a larger community and so on.

Was thinking of starting the page here; http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Format_Comparison&action=edit

I'll need help with information of what version has what pros and cons. Also, a style guide if possible, as i've been away from here in some time. - [[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]]
* Remember to sign your comments. ;) I can see the use of an article detailing these things, but if it's created, it must remain objective. No favoritism or bias toward a particular platform can be displayed in the writing, for example. See the [[The PSUPedia:Manual of style|manual of style]] for formatting pointers and the like. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:48, 27 November 2007 (CST)
* If we do this, we have to proceed with extreme caution. This unfortunately neuters part of the article, since we really cannot make generalizations on the communities. I'm not actually sure it's necessary, but if done properly, it can't hurt. I will be watching the article intently though, and if at any point it appears it will be used to further platform elitism it will be deleted, whether that comes from the initial writing or by vandalism/further edits from other people. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:12, 27 November 2007 (CST)
** Was totally going to have it unbiased, however, how would you go about mentioning slowdown and other problems? As for community, I'd really only be going as far as listing the average server star ratings for PC/PS2 and 360. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 00:39, 28 November 2007 (CST)
*** Unbiased as in avoiding jabs at particular platforms that would promote favoritism. Of course, I don't think you have any intent of writing anything like that, but as Mewn said, we'll have to keep a close eye on the article as I imagine it would eventually fall victim to vandalism by someone wishing to stir up platform elitism and such. ;) We'll of course want to state the facts in the article, both the good and the bad, as long as it's not done in a way that shows obvious bias by a contributor toward a particular platform. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:11, 28 November 2007 (CST)
I've written the first version of the article, please go through and correct any biased information. Also, my table absolutly sucks. [[Platform_Comparison]] --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 06:21, 29 November 2007 (CST)

=== April Fool's Day articles ===
Bravo on the April Fool's articles. I've gotten a good chortle out of the reactions from them! But, how long should we let this go on? I was planning on adding the backpacker girl April Fool's joke template thing to them later tonight, but I'm wondering if we might ought to do it earlier? A lot of people are acting pretty stupid over the whole thing, and the number of people who outright believe it baffles me. So, early intervention or let it go a little longer? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:37, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
* Let it go till tonight, then we can move them all to [[The_PSUPedia: April Fools]] (or something). If we have time, a [[B.O.R.D. Revolution]] article would be good too. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:45, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
** That'll work. I won't be home until pretty late tonight, so I can take care of it then if no one else has. If I get a chance (probably tomorrow at the earliest) I might see about getting a B.O.R.D. Revoltuion thing up, too. I was fairly amused by that when I saw it at Shougai yesterday. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:17, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

=== User pages edit protection ===
* What about [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserPageEditProtection this]? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Great idea. If I knew how, I'd go ahead and set it up, but my wiki experience goes about as far as page coding. >_> - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:35, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Say the word.... - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** The word. ;) Be my guest if you can get this one going. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:23, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Too late, I already did it. I'm going to hold off on BreadCrumbs until I have more time to understand exactly how it works. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

=== TP or Tech. ? ===
* In game it says "Tech.", on psupedia you've used TP (while using the correctly Att. and Acc. for other weapons). Can I fix that? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:15, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, for the [[Rods|rods]] chart? Yeah, that should be "Tech." Any others you've noticed like that? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:20, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** About all the weapons page actually. Some are not converted to templates tho, so can convert at the same time. Needs mass edits and conversions. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:36, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Done the ones using templates. Still have to do:
**** Rod, Ulrod, Rayharod, Pumpkinhead, Slyrod, Hajirod, Tomoirod, Rodoc, Granarod, Mayrod, Granadoroc, Howrod, Halarod, Gaozoran Rod, Kazarod, Psycho Wand
**** C rank wands, B rank wands, Cometara, Lidra, Majimra, Magical Wand, Uransara, Tesbra
**** I suggest to do that while converting to templates, but if someone wanna do it without waiting, be my guest. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:58, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Already left you a note on your talk page, but just to reiterate: TP, please. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:00, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Aha, this seems like a better place to discuss it than that talk page. To summarise what's on there: Weapon and [[Line shields|line shield]] summary articles have long used the game's notation, hence the conflict. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:42, 29 March 2008 (CDT)
**** So, what is the official decision about this? I'm for using the in-game notation if you need my opinion. Also it should be added to the manual of style. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:00, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

===Minor Note Involving Spawn Charts===
* I've come across a lot of rare monster charts that have had different definitions of "spawn," in that some say "third spawn" when they mean practically the third room, and some mean it in the sense that it's the third group of monsters. Would it be possible to set a standard, and define it on the "Enemy Spawn Charts" page? [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 06:50, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** It means a "group of monster", which may or may not appear all at the same time, but will appear in the same room and if they don't appear at the same time, will appear because of the death of some monster in the group. If a group of monsters appear after you have cleared a room, it's not the same spawn, even if they appear in the same room (for example there's 3 spawns in lab recovery b3). Agree with putting a good definition somewhere tho. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 06:57, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Thanks for clearing it up, although I'm not entirely sure if all of the charts follow that standard. Sometimes "third spawn" is.. really confusing. I'll be running through a few of them in the meantime, though. Thanks for clarifying. :) [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 13:19, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's supposed to mean enemy spawn. If in one room you take out one group of enemies entirely and then another one shows up in the same room, that is a second spawn. There is (or was?) a notation guide for these spawn charts but I'm not sure if it defines "a spawn" or not. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:44, 29 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Reviving WhosOnline ===
* Sorry, I was just trying to get the WhosOnline extension to work again, after [[User:Tycho|I]] and consequently [[User:Mono|Mono]] started making proper user pages recently. I kinda want it back since the first time around it caused a wave of people spontaneously starting to make user pages because the wiki had suddenly become less anonymous. I wasn't able to get it to work though, since apparently compatibility with this MediaWiki version sucks. I failed when trying [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:MW:_Whos_Online_Extension#Who.27s_Online.2C_Mediawiki_1.9.x_not_working_.28Fixed.29 this], and step 1 from [http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/mediawiki-extension-whosonline/ this guide] is just beyond me. If there are any other staff members courageous enough to give this a try, please give it a shot. >_<; - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 05:15, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
** Psh, piece of cake. If I had FTP access I could get this working in a few minutes. Unfortunately, I'm not on staff, so... I guess I could try walking someone else through it. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
** I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:08, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

<pre>'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline></pre>

'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline>

* A shame it's not uh...working? It shows me as online if I view the recent changes "difference" you just made, but not if I just view the page. And it doesn't display guests at all. >_> Oh and the only person with FTP access is Tycho and Qwerty, in case you wanted to know. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 13:12, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
** Works for me? Bleh, the instructions Tycho linked me to were fail, so I had to improvise a bit. Try adding the code to a different page and see what happens. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:25, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Seems to be working fine for me, too, both here and on the front page. Though it's curious that no "guests" show up. I've got to get back to work, but I think I might play around with its placement on the front page later if I have time. (I'd like to go on an update the "latest missions" section with Friday's stuff, anyway.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:44, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It isn't working for me either. Depending on how I view the main page (either just looking at it or looking at the most recent change), I get a completely different list. Just viewing the page, I don't even show up. Anyway, Mewn and Miraglyth both also have FTP access, just for the record. I can give the details out to Espio and Bea through various private messaging routes, if they so desire. On a related note, that color scheme for the box looks absolutely horrid, and I'm not too fond of its placement on the page. I will probably mess with it here shortly. But yeah, it doesn't appear to be functioning properly. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:18, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
**** OK, it would appear that the online list only updates once an action is taken, such as logging in or making an edit, and even then apparently on a page-by-page basis. Also, a user remains active on the list for an hour. The time length I can change no problem, but I'm not sure if it's possible or if it even was intended to keep track of people just browsing the site. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:40, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Hrm... there's got to be something that can be done to make it display guests and registered users in real time as opposed to edit-by-edit. I assume you've checked these, but I'll throw them out there anyway, just in case. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online MediaWiki Who's online extension article], [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/MW:_Whos_Online_Extension Original extension at Check Mate]. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:42, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Upon further research there may be a glitch related to this wiki's version number that's causing some issues. I'm going to reinstall the extension and see if anything improves. If any of you have added this extension to any other pages you may want to remove it to prevent any nasty errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:52, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
**** As far as I'm aware, my FTP access is limited to a subspace. I doubt these changes require access to the messy innards of this place, but if they did I wouldn't have been able to help. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:18, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
* HUGE SUCCESS. Seems to be working (for the most part) now. I just added it back to the front page and noticed that the number of registered members changed on me between refreshes. Guests still don't show up for some reason, though. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:40, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
** Scratch that. Guests suddenly showed up. So... HUGE SUCCESS. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:43, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Awesome. thanks for getting that working, Sekani. Is it wrong that I laugh that we have more people viewing the 'Pedia than the entirety of Sega's forums? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:25, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Fuck yes, nice job. Sorry the pages I linked didn't provide much help on the subject, but it's about as much as I could find. Seeing the site activity is this decent is a pretty cool compliment. In any case, I'm hoping this'll make things more personal to participants. More people registering and making profiles plz. :> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 07:04, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
==== More Who's Online stuff ====
* Hmmm... is there any way to place this on the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] page? - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:54, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
** I'm sure there's some way, but I don't know how to access that page to make changes. I like the idea of having this there; but aside from that, there's a small mistake that was pointed out to me on the page. It says "below are the last 100 changes made in the last '''last''' 7 days." Last is typed twice for some reason. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Turns out the language file (what controls what text is displayed on most special pages) isn't editable directly, or at least it's not supposed to be. There's some page called Special:Allmessages that has editable text in it, and is only accessible by sysops or higher. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:32, 19 May 2008 (CDT)
**** After looking through those pages, it seems the only place I could place the who's online thing is above the display options but below the tips. How's that look? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:10, 20 May 2008 (CDT)
***** Nice, all you have to do now is take care of that "last last" line. I forget the exact string it's in, but you'll see something like <code><nowiki>last {{something|4|last}}</nowiki></code>; the second "last" is what you need to get rid of. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:48, 20 May 2008 (CDT)
****** Success! Thanks for the tip, Sekani! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:57, 20 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Update section overhaul ===
We had a little discussion going on this a few months ago, but it kind of fizzled off. I'd like to get it going again since, as it's been noted on numerous occasions, our current updates section is getting ginormous. Jubei put together an example of one way to prettify our updates ([[User:JubeiSaotome/Sandbox/Updates]]) which I'm quite pleased with. However, one thing we didn't come to a decision on is how to break up individual pages. Should it be broken up by update, by month, by quarter, or what? Also, I'm thinking that maybe we don't need to document the exact time the servers go up and down. The up time changes constantly from what I've seen, and the 00:01:00 the official site gives doesn't seem to be accurate at all. (Actually, that looks like a default time for pretty much all announcements that go up on the main site, no matter what time it was posted.) Just stating the day the servers go back up should suffice. Anyway, let's discuss. I'd like to make some progress on this project so we can at least get new updates in this format. We can always save the conversion of older updates for later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:18, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Suggestion one: sort them by season (e.g. March to May = Spring 2008) Suggestion two: Newest updates go at the top of the page, not the bottom. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:10, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Sorry for splitting this discussion up between a few different articles. <_<; Anyway, I've come up with a little prototype design for something like what I was envisioning for the new updates section. I haven't made a portal page for it, but you can view two of the sections [[Updates/February_2008|here]] and [[Updates/March_2008|here]]. Each article will contain the updates for its respective month, listed with the newest update the top, oldest at the bottom. At the very bottom of each article will be that little calendar thing to make navigating the updates section easier. I'd like to mess around with the calendar colors and stuff some more (I just copy-pasted the code of one of the front page tables to make these) and maybe play with the sizing to make it a tad bit smaller. But, I'll save that for later. So, questions, comments? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:27, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
* Agreed with all of the above, with the exception of the removal of update times. Things like 5-hour maintenances for large updates serve a limited amount of historic value, but more importantly, just using "the date" doesn't tell people much. The servers are PST and start maintenance one hour before midnight, so for everyone east of that (which is pretty much everyone, I'm sure) it would be one day out. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:14, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** The down time is static. I think it's always been 11:00p.m. PST, so we don't need that with each update. A note on the main updates page stating that maintenance occurs each Friday starting at that time should suffice. If we decide to include the time when the servers come back online after a maintenance period, we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this. Whenever the servers come back up, the announcement on the front page always reads 12:01a.m., even if it's much later in the morning. Heh, even announcements posted mid-afternoon say they were posted one minute after midnight. XD Anyway, what I'm getting at is we'd need someone to stay on top of keeping accurate track of maintenance downtime each update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:43, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
*** ''"we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this"'' - I did this back when I worked from home, but it's been nearly a year since I stopped :P board "SERVER IS UP" threads don't help either because you can never tell which is the first that was telling the truth :P either way, the first few months at least have accurate downtime records. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:05, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Drop Templates ===
I keep seeing drop templates being given numbers (the latest I saw being [[Template:Dark Falz 90]]). Why do we include numbers? Why can't we just call it the monster name and add a parameter to it specifying levels? ie the [[Template:Dark Falz]] page I made. Simply use <nowiki>{{Dark Falz | lvl=90 }}</nowiki> to get the same result as <nowiki>{{Dark Falz 90}}</nowiki>. Or...is there a reason that I completely missed? So many extra pages (and database entries) being made that can minimized into single pages.. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 17:46, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* I think Espio just likes doing extra work, makes him look important and keeps him from being bored at his job doing... whatever he does. Just kidding. Probably. On a more serious note, I think it's time to start actually archiving some of these discussions here. It took me almost a full minute to scroll all the way down the page to where this comment resides. -[[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:30, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Primarily, I think no one ever thought of it. To be honest though, I find that rather confusing, but I can see its worth. Oh, and Sekani, I agree. The problem is that the topics aren't ordered by date. New topics are supposed to go at the top, but that only seems to happen half the time. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:38, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Curses! You've got me, Sekani. XD
Seriously, though, a template like that is a very good idea, but considering how incredibly deep into use the current templates are, we'd be looking at creating a ridiculous amount of extra work for ourselves just to create the new templates and change all of the existing uses in articles and drop charts and what-not to the new style. Time like that would likely be best spent on more important matters around here. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Well, let's just start using new kinds of templates from now on. Phasing out the old one can just be done like, one monster a day or something. It would be slow, but it'd get done eventually. :) --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 09:15, 19 February 2008 (CST)
** I'll be completely honest with you: I'd prefer we not. I appreciate the idea, but I'd much rather we stick with the current, established templates than have multiple styles about the site that mean extra clean up later. Again, the time that would be spent creating and implementing the new templates could be put to much better use with the numerous other projects about the site. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to avoid extra work for everyone. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 19 February 2008 (CST)

=== Audio Files ===
Files with the extension MP3 or OGG cannot be uploaded; why is this? All of the currently available samples in the [[Jukebox discs]] section are really awful because of their encoding and there's no way to reasonably change them. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 10:20, 29 February 2008 (CST)
* I haven't enabled those file types yet. I may do so soon, if we decide to install an in-wiki audio-player extension. However, we do not intend to host the entire file for the jukebox disks, but rather only a low quality preview so that you know what you're getting before you buy the disc. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:18, 29 February 2008 (CST)
** Yes, I understand that these are meant to be samples but the ones that are currently available are poorly encoded. Also I don't understand why you would want an in-wiki media player when users can download the files and listen in their player of choice? [[User:DOS|DOS]] 21:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*** The "poor encoding" was intentional. The samples do what they were intended to do ("What does Disc 77 sound like?") while not running up unnecessary bandwidth bills. I honestly see nothing to be gained from using a high-bitrate sample. We're not here to cater to audiophiles or people looking for free music. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**** Maybe try encoding at 64Kbps? At least something that doesn't make listening to these files totally unpleasant. 32Kbps is way too low. I don't think this is an unreasonable increase; I wasn't planning on asking for lossless clips or anything. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 09:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** They sound fine to me. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 10:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** 32Kbps hurts to listen to..to me at least. :( --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 10:07, 1 March 2008 (CST)
****** Try turning the volume down then. Your ears will thank you. All jokes aside, the orchestrated clips in particular actually are pretty bad, so I'll try uploading them in a different format this weekend. WMA is the only other near-universal format I can think of, and it should provide some improvement in quality. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:00, 6 March 2008 (CST)
****** Just so you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been busy with actual work lately (had to recode an entire website almost from scratch), not to mention Audacity doesn't like exporting to WMA. Windows Media Encoder does the job, but the samples cut off abruptly instead of the short fadeout the current clips have. Still looking for a solution, suggestions welcome. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:14, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
******* Wanted to throw my 2p in here - I'd steer clear of WMA as it's not exactly a universal format, not least due to the fact it stands for 'Windows Media Audio'! I'd stick with MP3, 64kbps is plenty for this purpose and still results in small files - about 500k/minute, almost any media player can play it and you're not stuck with users who may have to download additional software to listen to the files. I'm just thinking from a usability point of view more than anything else. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 08:58, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******* Quick addendum - I've just gone looking for said audio files, all I can find is WMA and one 128k MP3. Clicking the links to WMA files opens Winamp (my default music player) for me, which then fails to play the file. This is one of the usability reasons I mentioned - all of a sudden, to listen to this file becomes too much faff. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:06, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******** Someone else had [[Talk:Jukebox discs#New Topic|the same issue]] a while back, and the problem actually lies with Winamp. Set Windows Media Player or Quicktime as your default handler for WMA files. If you're not willing to do that, just save the files to your hard drive before playing them. Unfortunately the wiki doesn't support the complex code needed for forced streaming. As far as compatibility goes, let's just say that I have ''never'' seen a system that was incapable of playing WMA files right out of the box. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:00, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********* Actually, Ubuntu out of the box can't. Mac OS X out of the box can't either. Windows can, sure, because it's a M$ format. That said the only format I would support and recommand is OGG, unless you go lossless (but not much point for these). [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:39, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********** What's OGG compatibility like, though? Again, I'm not sure that Windows Media Player is capable of playing that! If you want to stick with WMAs that's fine but I reckon a little note encouraging people to download the file rather than left-click it would be well-advised. There's a lot of people out there that are savvy enough to install a third-party media player but not savvy enough to figure out what's gone wrong when something doesn't work :) [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 15:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

===XBOX Gamertag embeds===
The Microsoft XBOX site allows you to add your Gamertag Card to anything that accepts the code... I haven't figured it out how to get it to display on the PSUPedia pages (probably a coding issue) but anywhere else its something groovy to show off, and a nice easy link to see how the online gamer is acutally doing.
Just a thought.

Wolfmist
* Judging by your edit history, it appears to use some non-standard HTML tags. Unfortunately, a wiki only accepts tags for simple things such as bold, italics, etc. The best thing you'll be able to do is throw up a simple link. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:15, 2 March 2008 (CST)
** I already tried this a while ago when I first started messing around here. No dice. I don't think wikis are designed to accept dynamic content like Gamertag info. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:39, 6 March 2008 (CST)
***Yeah, thought as much. Thanks for the info though, I'll remember to keep stuff simple on here, lol. - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 06:39, 13 March 2008 (GMT)

===Giresta Article===
I tried to submit information about this Photon Art - why do people keep deleting/changing it?
Check the article's history, stuff I said was true, that Giresta does everything that Resta does, that the spell significantly transforms at around Level 15 (and I did say that I hadn't confirmed that fact) and a few other things. I suppose a few editorial comments wouldn't go amiss for every article edit, would it? Learn from mistakes and all that?

- Wolfmist
* Comments like yours don't belong in a proper article, especially since the information was erroneous (as with all techs, the only changes take place every 10 levels). Additionally, we have a standard format for articles such as [[Giresta]], and we would like to stick to it for all such articles. Finally, never sign an edit to an article, only for talk pages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:15, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
** Comments like mine? Erroneous Information? Look, Qwerty, I send information with the best intentions. And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said, and fine, I may not be great at spelling or grammar, so fine edit those but please don't be insulting about it! If you have to be blunt then fine, but have you ever heard of taking your staff around a corner to talk rather than shouting out mistakes for all to hear? Jeeze, Lighten up! Oh, and besides, that particular article would never have recieved data if I hadn't brought attention to it. Same with a lot of other articles, actually, which could be interesting to read. Have you ever seen intriguing things happen in the game that have no explanations yet? I have, and I actually like to make the effort of attempting things myself if nothing's been done by anyone else... there I've had my beef and now I need a cookie, lol. --[[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 11:38, 19 March 2008 (GMT)
*** I removed the comments in question because, for reasons Qwerty stated(I don't think it was all too rude how he put it either). And for reasons that PSUP is supposed to be as unbiased as possible, and to say something like "Designed to replace Resta" is simply biased - Resta has the major plus of better range and quicker casting time, so it is simply an opinion and I felt had little place in the article. You put your things in better words after my edit, and Espio formatted it correctly, but the huge problem even without the opinionated remarks is the information that has no evidence for such as it "improving at 15" and "getting better range all the time". - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:09, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
*** On another note, "''And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said''" is not advised practise. The intent of this resource is to provide facts alone, leaving what is essentially speculation to the discussion pages. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:26, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

===New Expansion Release?===
There are rumors floating around that a new version (like AOTI) will soon be released... What whispers have you lot heard? Spill the beans if its true! - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 03:56, 26 March 2008 (GMT).
* No one has heard anything. For the time being, it's all (meaningless and silly) speculation. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:29, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
* These rumours are, if anything, probably based on the upcoming PSP game [[Phantasy Star Portable]]. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

User:Sekani

2008-05-23T14:28:49Z

Sekani: On hiatus indefinitely. Maybe I'll start playing WoW again....

[http://live.xbox.com/member/Sekani Xbox Live profile - Gamertag: Sekani] 
 
Due to massive failures and mismanagement of this game by a combination of Sega of America, Sega of Japan, and Sonic Team, all of my PSU characters are once again on hiatus indefinitely.

Talk:Main Page

2008-05-22T20:58:48Z

Sekani: /* MAG 'postponement' */

== MAG 'postponement' ==
* Don't want to second-guess Sega, but Chill has stated that we 'may' only get an extension now. This barely qualifies as a postponement if we're not even sure we're going to get it! But I don't want to change the front-page if people don't agree with interpreting ChillAura's comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:46, 22 May 2008 (CDT)
** You're right. I'll change it over to "postponed indefinitely" for now. That should cover the chance of us not getting an extension at all, right? But, if you can think of something that sounds better, please feel free to make any changes you want. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:51, 22 May 2008 (CDT)
*** It "may" be postponed, it "may" not be. Not even Chillaura has a clue what's going on (his words, not mine). I can't think of any safe way to word the news. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:58, 22 May 2008 (CDT)

== New Main Oage Look ==

I love this new look. Awesome job, Qwerty! Cheers! :D [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 12:15, 31 January 2008 (CST)

== To Mewn ==

Um, I just saw all the reverts. Looks like a spam fest has started. =( [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 13:28, 27 January 2008 (CST)
* Spambot attacks happen every so often here. It took me a grand total of 7 minutes to undo their damage, so much for wasting my time. Luckily the wiki system makes it easy for the damage they do to be undone.- [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:59, 27 January 2008 (CST)
*That's good. Why do people have to vandalize pages? Where's the pleasure in it? People who create spam-bots are just so immature. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 14:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== Main page overhaul ==
It's been talked about many, many times before (with one such discussion right below this one), but I think we really need to try our best to focus on designing a new front page. What we have now has gotten to the point of sloppy, to be honest. And I realized that when we remove the horizontal navigation section from it in place of the sidebar nav-system, we'll have a lot of empty space that would look best if it were filled with something. I've been trying to come up with a new design, but for some reason I can't come up with something that I actually like. I'll keep trying, of course, but I wanted to see if anyone else had something to propose. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 10 January 2008 (CST)
* Step one: figure out what you want to put on the main page, for starters. Step two: organize it all nice and neat. As far as content goes, the Photon Fortune log and event-related articles are good. Maybe a "What's New" section wouldn't be bad either. No banners or logos or anything flashy though. [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 20:38, 10 January 2008 (CST)
** Yeah, photon fortune and the updates section are must-haves. Also the basic intro to the wiki. I'd like to have a dedicated events section like you said, that we can use to highlight articles on current or upcoming events. The in-game updates section could be taken from its current table form and put into normal text like the intro so that it'd take up more space. Hell, we could even take the little blurb we write for each update from the news section and paste it on the front page as opposed to a link that would link to the news page which would link to the actual update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:31, 11 January 2008 (CST)
*** I can't think of any good ideas that don't involve some kind of dynamic content (as in daily or weekly updating). A featured article, for example. Or maybe a user spotlight. I guess you could fill out the bottom with a mini-gallery of random uploaded screenshots. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 23:51, 11 January 2008 (CST)
**** I've worked a little more on a [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Main_page|possible tweaking]]. Really, all I added to what I had before is the box in the lower right which highlights upcoming events and missions. I figure that might be good to have up front so visitors will know what to expect down the line. Of course, I need to come up with a better color scheme for it, as all I did was copy-pasta the box for the recent updates section. <_<; - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:47, 13 January 2008 (CST)
* I've played around with it some more. Despite originally wanting to move away from the bottom navigation section completely, I came to realize that maybe it's not such a bad idea to keep. Really, all we need to do is clean it up. A lot. Though I'm very fond of a sidebar nav-system, I've realized that with all of the stuff we need to keep listed there, it will very quickly become overgrown; especially if/when we get around to adding an offline data section. If there were a way to collapse menus in the sidebar, it wouldn't be a problem, but since we can't, another option is to shave down some of the "lesser" articles over there and keep it to the big stuff. We can keep a table of contents on the front page that lists most everything that the visitors want, all categorized and divided up into nice, even tables. Currently, I've got five columns of stuff. I figure that shouldn't be a strain on the recommended screen resolution, but since I'm on a widescreen monitor at work, I'm not certain. If it looks weird, someone let me know so I can take it down to four columns. Either way, I'd like some suggestions on what else to add to the list. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:53, 14 January 2008 (CST)

==Main Page Modifications==
It seems I've gotten a tad bit lazy :P, I've started working back on a news-script, right now the idea of it, is to have the last submitted news displayed, then the previous 4-6 entries' headlines displayed with links to their respective entries. A similar idea for the PSU updates, except it will continue in the same format that it is now. Any ideas/suggestions? --[[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 06:08, 30 January 2007 (CST)
* A couple, actually.
** I'd like to suggest we cut the "Navigation" section down considering a number of the links on it are to articles that are out-of-date (see: the planets) or for detailing elements of the game that were fascinating before the game's release but common knowledge now.
** I'd also like to see the page's layout get sorted out. As things are the Navigation bar looks horrendous above 800x600 and the page's appearance is VERY dependant on the amount of "News" there is. Too little or (as seen until my cutbacks) too much and it appears horribly ugleh, which is a bit of a problem considering it's the [[Main Page]]. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 10:58, 4 February 2007 (CST)
* Eek! The "PSU Updates" box there makes the Photon Fortune box shrivel in fear in any resolution under 1600x1200.
** Actually, it's just hit me. When did the [[News]] page cover only PSU updates? Formerly it was for wiki news as well. It seems a large part of the problem with the main page since Christmas has been the separation of game updates and PSUPedia news. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 12:54, 25 February 2007 (CST)
** Well, yeah.. but ever since the period of August~November there's just been a lot less news for any of those altogether. D: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:23, 25 February 2007 (CST)
*** Maybe so but had we shoved those into the [[News]] section we might've been able to do something about the failed spatial awareness test that is our constantly moving things that don't fit around the Main Page. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 02:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)

* Been throwing around various ideas and possible layouts for the Main Page this morning. I've made a [http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/mikaga/psu/mainpagemockup.png mockup] of one such attempt I feel works quite well (save the "Navigation" menu which should receive significant changes no matter what happens). - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 14:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
** I like it, and yeah, the Navigation menu needs a drastic change, perhaps make it a single horizontal box with each section on one horizontal line (and colour-coded as it currently is). [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
*** Had a quick shot at making the mockup work. First of all I can't get the "PSU Updates" box spaced right under the Photon Fortune box >.< and second it occurs to me that the Photon Fortune box ([http://www.psupedia.info/extensions/PhotonFortune/LuckToday.html see here]) is quite squashed on the Main Page for resolutions under 1600x1200 or so. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 01:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

* Started to look at ideas for a new Navigation menu since the current one has about 300 ancient/redundant links. As evidenced [[User:Miraglyth/Sandbox|here]], I've clearly not spent long enough trying! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

* Hey, i think it would be a good idea to add the guise section into the general info bar, not enough ppl realize it exists, and it could become big. Also on another note, lets do the pic of the day as mentioned previously, its a good idea. - [[Loki|Loki]] 1:43, 6 April 2007 (CST)

==PSU character stat project==
Need to log in to view that forum page. -> Need to register to log in. -> Need to be invited to register. -> Almost no one can view that page :(. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 08:08, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Same the only page I could access was:
http://psu.amesani.org/data/charstat.php , nice project though!! We should add to links on the sidebar? --[[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 08:48, 4 January 2007 (CST)
* If anything, I'm all for supporting external community projects. Hope it could be kept alive some way or another. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:47, 11 January 2007 (CST)

I have tried to add the male cast stats from lvl 53 and 54. Both times it says that it failed the HP calculation. I know I am doing it right because I have added stats for male beast and female beast. Please let your friend know this as I cannot find an email link on the webpage at all! [[User:Mrurl42|Mrurl42]] 11:06, 11 January 2007 (CST)
* Apologies; notified her of the fallacy. It'd have been nicer if the rest of the site was a bit more open already (though it doesn't really have anything yet), but alas. >_< - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:47, 11 January 2007 (CST)
** Ya. I tried to find an email addy on the site, or at least a comment section to leave her the comment directly. Prolly why there is so little data for male casts tho :P
* There's a small bug in the code that I can't figure out to where it won't calculate out a stat for one of the classes properly. The only solution that I could conceive was to just have the user that got that issue to post the stats that it bugs out on. Though now it seems to be happening more than I thought it would. It only happened to me once out of over 30 levels... However, I've started on something a little better for this. It'll basicly just involve having the user check to see if some calculated stats match theres and if they don't submitt a picture or something. I can now calculate out the stats within 1 point of the correct value and this will help straighten out this issue. I just need to finish figuring it out for all of the race/sex combos and then figure out how to do the picture upload thing ;x --[[User:Soukosa|Soukosa]] 19:20, 12 January 2007 (CST)

== Anonymous users ==

These unregistered users making pointless edits are getting beyond the joke. Leaving a line of what they think of a weapon if the weapon doesn't have a page and so on. Anyway we can force registration? It'll save a lot of time wasted by reverting these edits. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 19:13, 16 December 2006 (PST)

[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_allow_only_logged-in_users_to_edit.3F] --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 19:55, 16 December 2006 (PST)
* Actually, I'm wondering about this as well. Not sure how I could get around to making global changes now that the wiki is already set up though; I really need to find out about that. >_< - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 02:40, 17 December 2006 (PST)
* I agree with Jubei here. Not only are they making pointless edits, but we also have no idea who they are. At least if they are forced to register we can associate a name with the edit, rather than a number. 99% of all vandalism comes from anonymous users as well, so it'll present an obstacle for those users. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:23, 17 December 2006 (PST)
* After having reconsidered, I'm starting to think this might not be such a great idea after all. I believe that if users would need to register in order to vandalize, they would just register (likely incognito) before vandalizing. Really, we could just ban the IPs anyway; I think this way it's actually a lot easier to find potential vandalism, while still not really scaring regular users away. Maybe it's kinda subjective, but eh, if you still insist and know to change this, I wouldn't mind. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 09:31, 17 December 2006 (PST)

== Users online==
Man, this needs to be integrated into the main page;

Users Online: <whosonline></whosonline>

When will these new plugins be implimented? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 02:44, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* Well, they should already be functional at least. I'm still hoping I could get the other ones to work later on as well though.. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 08:30, 14 December 2006 (PST)

I see it on there now, ahh a more wholesome community feel is starting to manifest. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 16:42, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* It seems to slow the loading time of the main page, I can re-add it if you wish, also I'm adding a TODO page, that in favour with everyone? --[[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 09:39, 25 December 2006 (CST)

* I am a bit new to this. Where can I find the Users Online? I am not seeing it on the main page. ^^ ~ [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 15:59, 25 December 2006 (CST) ~

* I believe that, since we moved, we no longer have the Who's Online extension installed. If HitomiCHAN installs it it'll come back, but until then we won't get it. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:05, 25 December 2006 (CST)

* Thank you Mewn. I didnt know the site moved. I only learned about it yesterday. ~ [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 16:07, 25 December 2006 (CST)

* Surprised I didn't see this before. I'm all for something as pointless-but-oh-so-cool as this :P - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:21, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Screenshot of the Day ==
* Is it me or is this page really missing something? How about a screenshot of the day? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 16:48, 24 November 2006 (PST)
* I don't know exactly what you had in mind, or what others would think about this, but... would you be willing to take care of it then, given the privileges? - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 03:13, 25 November 2006 (PST)
* I just mean some random contributed screenshot of someone's gameplay, placed somewhere on the main page with a small description and a heading of "Daily Screenshot" or something similar. Is there a way to do a gallery on a wiki? or could you just make a table of old screens if this is going to be done? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 03:17, 25 November 2006 (PST)
* Ahzi never installed the gallery feature. I think we should do the Daily Screenshot, because I'm not putting the other three templates until we get a fourth to occupy a lot of empty space lol. The thumbnail size for the picture will have to be 310px or less in width and 200px in height, but because of how much extra space we have we could use two pictures and split them up. I'm still having trouble finishing the new luck template, because I have to fit the Photon Fortune head.PNG into it (this makes it pretty and best of all larger, the pictures/descriptions can be longer now), and it's not allowing me a color border, so until you give me a go for the idea, I'll keep trying this one. Check out my talk page if you want to see how I'll be setting the templates on the main page, or ask me on my talk page (it's getting lonely) for the text if you feel ambitious enough to finish the luck template and make a color border for it. [[User:SAsim|Asim]] 06:06, 9 December 2006 (PST)
* A few screenshots of the giant trees and christmas decorations would be most fitting right now, wouldnt it? I just uploaded one if you'd like to use it. Sorry for the low quality tho, since i run on 800x600 window mode resolution. I'd upload more, but I'm dead tired. I'm off for now. --[[User:Megaman|Mega]] 10:16, 10 December 2006 (PST)
* I'll look into integrating Flickr-like functionality, but I wouldn't know how to get this 'screenshot of the day' thing running, nor who'd look after it. The image is probably good for the Events/Updates sections though, together with a news article. Miraglyth, where are you? :wacko: - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 08:49, 11 December 2006 (PST)
** How about a group of people handle it? Maybe get a few of us in IRC to handle it, since most of us do edits here anyway? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 16:43, 11 December 2006 (PST)
*** I'm all for stuff like this. Uh ... I'm not knowledgable on how to run a wiki, but isn't there a way people can upload their screenshots to a specific pool of such images separate of the file repository we've already got, and then the team JubeiSaotome mentioned would pick which one(s) to use each day? - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 13:19, 12 December 2006 (PST)
**** That would most likely eat up bandwidth, especially if people don't save them in the right format. Default raw PSU images are up to 5mb. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 00:44, 13 December 2006 (PST)
***** Does Wiki even allow people to upload bitmaps? At least, in my experience, Wiki refuses bitmaps. On my first attempt to upload a picture for my user page, my paint program didn't save it as a jpg even though I specified that as the file extension (whoops); PSUP didn't accept it. When I realized what was wrong and correctly saved it as a jpg, then it did. ... Heh. I just realized, 'PSUP' sounds like Pea Soup. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 09:22, 14 December 2006 (PST)
****** maybe, but NO BITMAPS, we needto get people to use Adobe's save for web functions, or are there programs that are free that people could use to convert their images to a smaller size without losing any quality? Saving for web can reduce an image size from 3mb to 150kb --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 16:44, 14 December 2006 (PST)
******* Well, like I said ... based on my experiences, I don't think the wiki accepts bitmaps ''at all.'' That makes sense given that bitmaps are not web-friendly and I don't think that many web browsers can even ''display'' them (certainly not many of the older ones). I don't think we have to worry about ''anyone'' uploading five megabyte pictures to the wiki. As for a program that'd convert PSU's bitmap screenshots to a web-friendly format--Adobe's programs are not necessary for this. The "save for web" feature you mention, I'm almost sure you're talking about converting a file to .JPG. Any PC with a Windows OS should have MS Paint. It's very simple and easy to use, too. Save a file as a .JPG and bam, a 1024x768 screenshot is now 130 KB. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 17:15, 14 December 2006 (PST)
****** [http://www.irfanview.com/ IrfanView] free, small size, excellent quality. --[[User:Dark Dajin|Dark Dajin]] 04:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)
****** [http://www.getpaint.net/index2.html Paint.NET] Very nice free app I have used for years, takes mere seconds to convert images, also has plenty of other cool features. --[[User:DLE|DemonLordEtna]] 04:00, 24 December 2006 (CST)
******* I think a screenshot of the day would be nice, as well as a Page dedicated specifically to the Events, along with screen shots, similar to the one describing the known events, but One that lists them as they occure, along with reported findings and such for each one. ^^ [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 16:50, 25 December 2006 (CST)
******** That would be interesting, but then how do we go about moderating it. --[[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 14:37, 27 December 2006 (CST)
********* I would suggest giving only specific people rights to it, and they could be responsable for covering the event, like a reporter would. Even the large - game changing updates could be considered an event in that case as well, though the holliday events and special events would be much more entertaining. [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 18:34, 27 December 2006 (CST)

==Icon==
* I was thinking of ideas for the site's address icon... thingy-- the icon next to it in the favorites. Anyways, I was thinking of having the three planets, or I could take the leaf that's in the corner. Suggestions or preferences? ~ [[User:Irovax|Irovax]]
* Hm, never thought about that before. We were kinda considering to get rid of the clover/vine image though. I'm not much of an artist myself, so maybe someone else could make something better to replace that and the site icon. I'm fine with anything really; there are probably plenty of creative people out there. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]]
* If and when it does get changed, the icon on the search plugin would need to be changed to maintain professionalism. If for some reason I'm not around to do that, use [http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/data/data this place] to turn a 16x16 .gif with the necessary transparencies into the base-64 encoded data that you can insert into the .xml by editing it as a text file. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 04:11, 11 November 2006 (PST)
* What about using a generic GUARDIANS icon? --[[User:SiegeV|SiegeV]] 17:55, 9 December 2006 (PST)
* Sounds decent actually. Any clue for the clover at the top though? x_x - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 00:24, 10 December 2006 (PST)
* Could you use one of the logo files from the PSU fansite kit from Sega? Or if that is too plain, I could come up with something original, or even some small flash file. What do ya think? Some quick examples of banners I made while with jeM on PSO:
[http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/shonky1/PSO%20jeM%20web/jeMbanner1.jpg Example Banner]
 [http://www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/13273/jeMweb/dragonbanner.htm Example Flash Banner]- [[User:Shonky|Shonky]] 20:56, 13 December 2006 (PST)
* I think we need a logo, not imagery. It should be something simple, yet something people can recognize us by. Take the clothing shop icon for instance, it's a tshirt, related to what it's selling and you always know thats where to buy clothes on PSU. Why not an icon related to a dictionary or an encyclopedia? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 21:18, 13 December 2006 (PST)
* I kinda liked the banner for http://psobb.forumwise.com/ actually. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 08:30, 14 December 2006 (PST)
** Hey, if we're gonna do that, why not make a whole PSU-themed skin for the wiki? (I'm serious here, that would be rather cool.) - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 12:34, 14 December 2006 (PST)
*** Maybe something that follows the game's gui layout? That would be awesome. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 16:45, 14 December 2006 (PST)
**** If I knew how skinning MediaWiki worked, I'd love to help out with such a project. I could still help out with graphics though, I think. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 17:15, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* I personally don't have any artistic capabilities whatsoever, but anyway, [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Skins this page] explains the skinning stuff a bit. Moreover, one could just check the skins of other major wiki projects, like the [http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page WoW one]. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:29, 15 December 2006 (PST)
* Far as replacing the clover at the top goes, it seems to me the whole wiki concept (in this case, "for fans, by fans") made me think the obvious solution is, of course, [http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1350/newwiki2rv6.png fan art]. - [[User:LlamaX|LlamaX]]
* Instant win. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 01:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
* [http://moemi.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu1643.jpg Icon], this thing any good? --[[User:Dark Dajin|Dark Dajin]] 05:02, 21 December 2006 (CST)
=== Revised Logo ===
[[Image:PSUPediaLogo (cleanup).png|thumb|right|135px|Cleaned up PSUPedia logo by [[User:Kietrinia|Kietrinia]]]]
* I saw that a new logo for the upper-right was created. It's a very nice design, but I think you can see the quality of the screenshot that it was taken from. I had a lil bit of spare time and a tad bit of boredom, and I cleaned it up a tad. I hope it looks okay. I also know how to make a favicon for a webpage. If y'all like the cleaned up logo I made, I can probably create an .ico file from this page logo to use for a favicon. ^-^ --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 11:59, 10 January 2008 (CST)
=== Favicon ===
* I like the idea of a favicon. I say go ahead with it. :) Also, any chance of making an 88x31 banner icon based on this? <_<; I'd like to have something I could add to the links on my website for this place, but I suck at the whole icon-making thing. Maybe it could have the new logo on the left and "PSUPedia" on the right side of it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:13, 10 January 2008 (CST)
** I went ahead and made one. I can't upload it to the wiki, so I'll just dump it in my own file space. --> [http://kietrinia.gryvon.net/Misc/PSUPedia-favicon.ico Link to ico file, please save and reupload]. It doesn't matter where you upload the file. I'd personally recommend the wiki's root directory. :P Here's how to enable it. You need to open up the root directory for the wiki, and open+edit the file "LocalSettings.php" (use Dreamweaver if you have it, or use WordPad. Notepad'll create all kinds of gunk :P). Then you need to add the following code to that file and save it back where you found it. The icon should propagate within a few minutes. 
<pre># Enable custom Favicon
$wgFavicon = "Full URL to ICO file";</pre> --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 12:33, 10 January 2008 (CST)
* [[Image:PSUPediaBanner.gif|thumb|right|88px|PSUPedia banner]]Oh, and here's that 88x31 banner you wanted. :) --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 12:43, 10 January 2008 (CST)
** Awesome, thanks! :D I'll have that added to my site after I get home from work tonight. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:44, 10 January 2008 (CST)
* I assume MS FrontPage (yes, I know it's crap, but I have it) would open it too, yeah? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 12:52, 10 January 2008 (CST)
** I actually don't know. Try it anyways? o.o? --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 12:57, 10 January 2008 (CST)
*** Looks like it worked. I just refreshed and got the new favicon. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:59, 10 January 2008 (CST)

* I don't see anything. It just says E for Internet Explorer. I think he's talking about like the MySpace one, where it shows 3 blue people. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 13:03, 10 January 2008 (CST)

** http://www.myspace.com/ [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 13:05, 10 January 2008 (CST)
** The favicon is the same one as the "3 people" one for MySpace. Looks like the new favicon is uploaded and working now. Yay! ^-^ --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 13:07, 10 January 2008 (CST)

*There we go. I just had to clear the cache. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 13:56, 10 January 2008 (CST)

* Hey all. Just for the power of choice, I've made an alternate icon. Not much changed except the text (tried to keep it inline with the other images) and the resample method. [http://psupedia.info/mira/PSUPediaIcon.ico Clicky.] - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 14:50, 14 January 2008 (CST)
** I do like that. Minor change, yes, but the added P should be there considering our name. <_< - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:36, 14 January 2008 (CST)
*** Mind if we all come to agreement on an icon? It's not massively important but the [http://www.psupedia.info/plugins/ff/ search plug-in] could use updating. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 17:10, 25 January 2008 (CST)
**** I'll restate my support (if for nothing more than the sake of bumping this back up a bit) for the ''PSUP'' version since it's a better reflection of the site's name. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:06, 25 January 2008 (CST)
**** Yeah, definitely prefer that one, Mira. Not only does it include the P, but the image is a lot clearer as well. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 22:05, 25 January 2008 (CST)
**** I do like Mira's version of the favicon more than my own. It's alot more clear than mine and the added P is quite nice. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 14:08, 5 March 2008 (CST)
***** Done and done. I meant to do that ages ago, but forgot. I replaced the old one, but I guess it might take some cache clearing to make it show up, idklol. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:12, 5 March 2008 (CST)

==CSS and table background images==
Did a bit of experimenting offline:
#Tag each of the main page tables with an ID (or class).
#Add to MediaWiki:Monobook.css (or Common.css) the following:
<pre>
<id or class name> {
background-image: url('image name');
background-position: bottom right (attachment point);
}
</pre>
Can't seem to put it directly into the style for the table because MediaWiki kills the entire style if there's a url() in there.
--[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]]
* Thanks; I'll try again later. x_x - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 06:08, 13 December 2006 (PST)
* Could you try to make one as an example please? _|￣|○ - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 11:45, 13 December 2006 (PST)
Let's see...

{| style="border-spacing:2px;margin:2px 2px"
| style="width:0%;border:2px solid #ACE1AF;background-color:#f5fffa;vertical-align:top;color:#000" |
{| cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5fffa" class="News_Test"
! style="background-color:#50C878; padding:10px; text-align:center;" | '''News'''
|-
! <div style="margin:0;background:#50C878;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ACE1AF;
text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.1em 0.2em;">PSU</div>
|-
|
* [[Image:EU Bullet.PNG]]'''[[News#12.2F09.2F2006:_Second_Update.21|12 - 09]]''' Second Update!
* [[Image:US Bullet.PNG]]'''[[News#11.2F30.2F2006:_Update_News.21|11 - 30]]''' Update News!
* [[Image:EU Bullet.PNG]]'''[[News#11.2F24.2F2006:_Official_European_Release|11 - 24]]''' Official European Release
|-
! <div style="margin:0;background:#50C878;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ACE1AF;
text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.1em 0.2em;">PSUPedia</div>
|-
| style="color:#000" | I apologize for the downtime. I've been trying to add a bit more functionality to the wiki, and managed to integrate a few new extensions; [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sent/Poll Poll], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Sort Sort], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomImage RandomImage], and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_Online Whos Online]. I've been considering [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Flickrm Flickrm] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiDB WikiDB] as well, but the latter did not really seem to work well, while the latter seems a bit complicated and unstable (not to mention I'm pretty tired!). Again, sorry about the downtime, and I hope the new options would be useful to the wiki. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 15:50, 13 December 2006 (PST)
|}
|
| style="border:2px solid #ADD8E6;background-color:#f5faff;vertical-align:top;color:#000" |
{| cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5faff" class="Featured_Article_Test"
! style="background-color:#4169E1; padding:10px; text-align:center;" | '''Featured Articles'''
|-
| <div style="margin:0;background:#4169E1;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ADD8E6;
text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.1em 0.2em;">What is this?</div>
|-
| style="color:#000" | '''Featured articles''' are specially selected and top-quality pages chosen by the viewers. Any day from Friday to Sunday there will be a new featured article. Please check [[Special:Allpages|here]] for the new pages as well as the older ones if you want to see what page may be featured next week!
|}
|}
Force a reload from network [shift-reload] if it doesn't work for you. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 12:14, 13 December 2006 (PST)

There's something going wrong with the table on the right... --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 02:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)

* Played around with Common.css some more, and reuploaded Asim's the banner for the News box in three parts (left, right, and a repeatable background to allow for the table to be stretched while retaining the banner). The result is in [[The PSUPedia:Sandbox#Test]]; using your code it accepts the image, but using mine it refuses to. What am I doing wrong? ;-; - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 12:09, 14 December 2006 (PST)

:You have to force your browser to reload the CSS from the site [shift-reload]. If that doesn't work, go [http://psupedia.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&action=purge here]. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 12:21, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* As a sidenote, I've tried this (splitting the news banner) once. The background peeks through the left and right of the images, outside the banner :/ --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 12:27, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* Something seems to have broken sitewide :( Common.css isn't working properly and the sidebar is back to its default. --[[User:Seikas2|Seikas2]] 17:54, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* How long until the featured article section will be utilized? --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 23:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)
* Yeah, I had been wondering about the sidebar as well... Quite weird really. As for the featured article stuff, I dunno. >_>; Never was my idea, and I have no clue if Asim was still going to do stuff about it. Actually, maybe I should inquire if people would like the idea at all. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 10:36, 15 December 2006 (PST)
* Did anyone mind greatly that we changed the layout on the front abit.! - [[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 14:39, 27 December 2006 (CST)
* Like it. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 07:20, 28 December 2006 (CST)
* =D --[[User:HitomiCHAN|HitomiCHAN]] 07:52, 28 December 2006 (CST)

== Goggle Vision ==
[[Image:GoggleVision1.jpg|thumb|200px|Scanning a tree.]]
[[Image:GoggleVision2.jpg|thumb|200px|Tree becomes targetable.]]
[[Image:GoggleVision3.jpg|thumb|200px|Tree knocked down. Item uncovered.]]
So there was a rumor circulating that the Goggle item acquired in the online story mission had more use to it than just scanning flaming flowers in "The Masked Woman" mission. I set out to bust this myth, and to my surprise its actually true. I found a tree in Parum with a glowing sphere (meaning its scannable). I scanned it, then chopped it down and received an item. :D I havent checked around anywhere other than Mad Creatures C(Found 2 so far. One in block 1 and 2.) but this may hopefully lead to new paths in missions never before ventured. Anyways, how bout we start an article on these Goggles? If anyone wants to volunteer to do it, i have screenies to support it. But i'm not very articulate to write a clear, well thought out article. ^^;; Feel free to crop and use these pictures as you will. --[[User:Megaman|Mega]] 01:06, 14 December 2006 (PST)
*It's not a myth ;o It's actually mentioned in story mode a few times. In story mode you get much better drops from trees though, like moon x's and scapes. --[[User:JubeiSaotome|JubeiSaotome]] 02:00, 14 December 2006 (PST)
** Also, killing trees sometimes reveals "secrets." Case in point: One of the blocks in The Mad Beasts has a tree near the riverbed, by a large rock. When you kill it, you can gain access to a cluster of boxes. I got a rare that way! There should be some more stuff like this in Moatoob. In Story Mode I was able to knock down a fake wall once or twice by scanning the area with goggles ... I expect at least one mission will allow us to do that again. Oh, and before I forget--*plugs JubeiSaotome's ;o-ing face with a rappy* YARHA! - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 09:22, 14 December 2006 (PST)
*** =P Dont play story mode, at all. But thanks for the input. even more so the reason now to make a special page of its own for goggles. --[[User:Megaman|Mega]] 21:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)
****There are a couple in Moatoob, as well as one that open area's for boxes as well. I havent found any walls online mode yet, but im looking ^^ [[User:Kitomi|Kitomi]] 16:47, 25 December 2006 (CST)
*****I remember knocking down a wall once in Moatoob(Online). Actually, it looked more like a huge boulder, I just felt the need to smack it and i broke it o.o; . But this was before I had the goggles and I was the alone on that mission, so no one else couldve scanned it.[[User:Megaman|Mega]] 20:20, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Home and Permanent Link ==

The "Home" link disappeared and the "Permanent Link" link became unclickable. How do you fix those? [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 17:15, 2 January 2008 (CST)
* I removed the home page link since it was redundant. Clicking the PSUPedia logo above where it was will return you to the front page just the same. (I didn't take the permanent link thing into consideration when I removed it, however. To be honest, I don't see it being a problem. I've never known anyone to use the permanent link feature, anyway.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:27, 2 January 2008 (CST)

*Oh, I didn't know you could click the picture. Heh heh. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] 17:55, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== i added some info on serafi daggers ==

i simply added the board drops from a rare spawn on "dancing birds" from neudaiz, but as if its a noel rappyimnot sure and i dont know what level it is so if anyone could look into the creature lvl that would be great
* That's only during Christmas, and only because Rappy Noels showed up in Dancing Birds. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:48, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
*no there was a rappy that drops them during easter as well i was in a party when it did.--[[User:Vir De malitia|Vir De malitia]] 15:31, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
* [[Rappy Noel]] drops [B] [[Dagger of Serafi]]. [[Rappy Paska]] drops [B] [[Halp Serafi]]. They're two different weapons, and they drop from those enemies regardless of where you find them. They're both 80+ drops. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:11, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

== Random Milestone ==

* In case anyone cares - PSUP has just passed the 9 million unique article views mark. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 04:22, 24 April 2008 (CDT)

== Request ==

* I would like to request that the link to the forum announcement that i've placed on the Maximum Attack G (event) page, be placed on the main page as well? So people could get more information? Thanks - [[User:Neutralle|Neutralle]] 14:38, 17 May 2008 (CDT)
** Excellent idea. I've just added it for you. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:49, 17 May 2008 (CDT)
* Thankyou =P

Castest Line

2008-05-21T17:53:16Z

Sekani: I hate you so much Sonic Team.

''A super high-end, custom-made line shield created for CASTs, by CASTs.'' 
{{11 stars}}
==Item details==
* Contrary to the description, this line shield can be equipped by all races.
* Can only be used by "gunner" types: [[Fortegunner]], [[Guntecher]], [[Fighgunner]], [[Acrotecher]], [[Acrofighter]], and [[Ranger]].

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
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|- valign="top"
|
{{LS stats
|Rarity=11
|Ver.=AotI
|Mfr.=G
|Def.=132
|Eva.=271
|Ment.=157
|End.=3
|Req.=122
|Att.=-
|Acc.=-
|Tech.=-
}}
||
{{LS synth
|Rarity=11
|Photon=
|Mfr.=G
|Board=[B] Castest Line
}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type=Line shield
|Buy=
|Sell=
|Shop=N/A
|[B] buy=
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop=N/A
}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS slot info
|Arm=o
|Body=o
|Extra=o
}}
||
{{Drop info
|Source=Mother Brain
|Level=125-149
|Type=Board
}}
|}
|}

[[Category: Line shields]]

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-20T20:48:32Z

Sekani: /* More Who's Online stuff */

Welcome to ''Raffon Field Base'', the page where you can discuss and ask questions about PSUPedia!

* This page is for general discussion about the PSUPedia.
** Unlike the actual Raffon Field Base, it's not for chit-chat, trading or anything else that has nothing to do with PSUPedia, or its contents.
** If you have a question about a specific article, it's better to make a comment on that article's talk page, rather than posting it here.
** Things that can go here: general suggestions about the 'Pedia, content that needs to be added, errors and bugs, etc.
* When raising a new topic of discussion, please use a header (=== Your Discussion Title Here ===) and place it at the top of the 'Current Discussions' section.
* Finally, when making a comment, sign it by using 4 tildes (~), this will add your username and the time and date of your comment. In addition, if responding to a comment, please use the summary box on the edit page to let others know what you have responded to.

Enjoy! - ''the PSUPedia Staff.''

To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[Raffon Field Base archive|here]].

== To-do list ==
For a list of in-progress and soon-to-be-started projects at the PSUPedia, please see the following article.
* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
** I tried using the enhanced setting, but I find it to also be more trouble than it is worth. The real solution is for people to read the notice on the front page before doing anything. If you can't do that, then I'm more than happy to warn people. As someone mentioned earlier, it may be worthwhile creating a templatized notice to post when people spam their user page with edits. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:13, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== April Fool's Day articles ===
Bravo on the April Fool's articles. I've gotten a good chortle out of the reactions from them! But, how long should we let this go on? I was planning on adding the backpacker girl April Fool's joke template thing to them later tonight, but I'm wondering if we might ought to do it earlier? A lot of people are acting pretty stupid over the whole thing, and the number of people who outright believe it baffles me. So, early intervention or let it go a little longer? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:37, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
* Let it go till tonight, then we can move them all to [[The_PSUPedia: April Fools]] (or something). If we have time, a [[B.O.R.D. Revolution]] article would be good too. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:45, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
** That'll work. I won't be home until pretty late tonight, so I can take care of it then if no one else has. If I get a chance (probably tomorrow at the earliest) I might see about getting a B.O.R.D. Revoltuion thing up, too. I was fairly amused by that when I saw it at Shougai yesterday. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:17, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

=== User pages edit protection ===
* What about [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserPageEditProtection this]? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Great idea. If I knew how, I'd go ahead and set it up, but my wiki experience goes about as far as page coding. >_> - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:35, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Say the word.... - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** The word. ;) Be my guest if you can get this one going. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:23, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Too late, I already did it. I'm going to hold off on BreadCrumbs until I have more time to understand exactly how it works. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

=== TP or Tech. ? ===
* In game it says "Tech.", on psupedia you've used TP (while using the correctly Att. and Acc. for other weapons). Can I fix that? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:15, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, for the [[Rods|rods]] chart? Yeah, that should be "Tech." Any others you've noticed like that? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:20, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** About all the weapons page actually. Some are not converted to templates tho, so can convert at the same time. Needs mass edits and conversions. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:36, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Done the ones using templates. Still have to do:
**** Rod, Ulrod, Rayharod, Pumpkinhead, Slyrod, Hajirod, Tomoirod, Rodoc, Granarod, Mayrod, Granadoroc, Howrod, Halarod, Gaozoran Rod, Kazarod, Psycho Wand
**** C rank wands, B rank wands, Cometara, Lidra, Majimra, Magical Wand, Uransara, Tesbra
**** I suggest to do that while converting to templates, but if someone wanna do it without waiting, be my guest. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:58, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Already left you a note on your talk page, but just to reiterate: TP, please. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:00, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Aha, this seems like a better place to discuss it than that talk page. To summarise what's on there: Weapon and [[Line shields|line shield]] summary articles have long used the game's notation, hence the conflict. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:42, 29 March 2008 (CDT)
**** So, what is the official decision about this? I'm for using the in-game notation if you need my opinion. Also it should be added to the manual of style. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:00, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

===Minor Note Involving Spawn Charts===
* I've come across a lot of rare monster charts that have had different definitions of "spawn," in that some say "third spawn" when they mean practically the third room, and some mean it in the sense that it's the third group of monsters. Would it be possible to set a standard, and define it on the "Enemy Spawn Charts" page? [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 06:50, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** It means a "group of monster", which may or may not appear all at the same time, but will appear in the same room and if they don't appear at the same time, will appear because of the death of some monster in the group. If a group of monsters appear after you have cleared a room, it's not the same spawn, even if they appear in the same room (for example there's 3 spawns in lab recovery b3). Agree with putting a good definition somewhere tho. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 06:57, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Thanks for clearing it up, although I'm not entirely sure if all of the charts follow that standard. Sometimes "third spawn" is.. really confusing. I'll be running through a few of them in the meantime, though. Thanks for clarifying. :) [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 13:19, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's supposed to mean enemy spawn. If in one room you take out one group of enemies entirely and then another one shows up in the same room, that is a second spawn. There is (or was?) a notation guide for these spawn charts but I'm not sure if it defines "a spawn" or not. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:44, 29 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Reviving WhosOnline ===
* Sorry, I was just trying to get the WhosOnline extension to work again, after [[User:Tycho|I]] and consequently [[User:Mono|Mono]] started making proper user pages recently. I kinda want it back since the first time around it caused a wave of people spontaneously starting to make user pages because the wiki had suddenly become less anonymous. I wasn't able to get it to work though, since apparently compatibility with this MediaWiki version sucks. I failed when trying [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:MW:_Whos_Online_Extension#Who.27s_Online.2C_Mediawiki_1.9.x_not_working_.28Fixed.29 this], and step 1 from [http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/mediawiki-extension-whosonline/ this guide] is just beyond me. If there are any other staff members courageous enough to give this a try, please give it a shot. >_<; - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 05:15, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
** Psh, piece of cake. If I had FTP access I could get this working in a few minutes. Unfortunately, I'm not on staff, so... I guess I could try walking someone else through it. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
** I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:08, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

<pre>'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline></pre>

'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline>

* A shame it's not uh...working? It shows me as online if I view the recent changes "difference" you just made, but not if I just view the page. And it doesn't display guests at all. >_> Oh and the only person with FTP access is Tycho and Qwerty, in case you wanted to know. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 13:12, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
** Works for me? Bleh, the instructions Tycho linked me to were fail, so I had to improvise a bit. Try adding the code to a different page and see what happens. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:25, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Seems to be working fine for me, too, both here and on the front page. Though it's curious that no "guests" show up. I've got to get back to work, but I think I might play around with its placement on the front page later if I have time. (I'd like to go on an update the "latest missions" section with Friday's stuff, anyway.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:44, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It isn't working for me either. Depending on how I view the main page (either just looking at it or looking at the most recent change), I get a completely different list. Just viewing the page, I don't even show up. Anyway, Mewn and Miraglyth both also have FTP access, just for the record. I can give the details out to Espio and Bea through various private messaging routes, if they so desire. On a related note, that color scheme for the box looks absolutely horrid, and I'm not too fond of its placement on the page. I will probably mess with it here shortly. But yeah, it doesn't appear to be functioning properly. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:18, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
**** OK, it would appear that the online list only updates once an action is taken, such as logging in or making an edit, and even then apparently on a page-by-page basis. Also, a user remains active on the list for an hour. The time length I can change no problem, but I'm not sure if it's possible or if it even was intended to keep track of people just browsing the site. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:40, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Hrm... there's got to be something that can be done to make it display guests and registered users in real time as opposed to edit-by-edit. I assume you've checked these, but I'll throw them out there anyway, just in case. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online MediaWiki Who's online extension article], [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/MW:_Whos_Online_Extension Original extension at Check Mate]. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:42, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Upon further research there may be a glitch related to this wiki's version number that's causing some issues. I'm going to reinstall the extension and see if anything improves. If any of you have added this extension to any other pages you may want to remove it to prevent any nasty errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:52, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
**** As far as I'm aware, my FTP access is limited to a subspace. I doubt these changes require access to the messy innards of this place, but if they did I wouldn't have been able to help. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:18, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
* HUGE SUCCESS. Seems to be working (for the most part) now. I just added it back to the front page and noticed that the number of registered members changed on me between refreshes. Guests still don't show up for some reason, though. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:40, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
** Scratch that. Guests suddenly showed up. So... HUGE SUCCESS. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:43, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Awesome. thanks for getting that working, Sekani. Is it wrong that I laugh that we have more people viewing the 'Pedia than the entirety of Sega's forums? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:25, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Fuck yes, nice job. Sorry the pages I linked didn't provide much help on the subject, but it's about as much as I could find. Seeing the site activity is this decent is a pretty cool compliment. In any case, I'm hoping this'll make things more personal to participants. More people registering and making profiles plz. :> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 07:04, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
==== More Who's Online stuff ====
* Hmmm... is there any way to place this on the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] page? - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:54, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
** I'm sure there's some way, but I don't know how to access that page to make changes. I like the idea of having this there; but aside from that, there's a small mistake that was pointed out to me on the page. It says "below are the last 100 changes made in the last '''last''' 7 days." Last is typed twice for some reason. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Turns out the language file (what controls what text is displayed on most special pages) isn't editable directly, or at least it's not supposed to be. There's some page called Special:Allmessages that has editable text in it, and is only accessible by sysops or higher. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:32, 19 May 2008 (CDT)
**** After looking through those pages, it seems the only place I could place the who's online thing is above the display options but below the tips. How's that look? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:10, 20 May 2008 (CDT)
***** Nice, all you have to do now is take care of that "last last" line. I forget the exact string it's in, but you'll see something like <code><nowiki>last {{something|4|last}}</nowiki></code>; the second "last" is what you need to get rid of. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:48, 20 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Update section overhaul ===
We had a little discussion going on this a few months ago, but it kind of fizzled off. I'd like to get it going again since, as it's been noted on numerous occasions, our current updates section is getting ginormous. Jubei put together an example of one way to prettify our updates ([[User:JubeiSaotome/Sandbox/Updates]]) which I'm quite pleased with. However, one thing we didn't come to a decision on is how to break up individual pages. Should it be broken up by update, by month, by quarter, or what? Also, I'm thinking that maybe we don't need to document the exact time the servers go up and down. The up time changes constantly from what I've seen, and the 00:01:00 the official site gives doesn't seem to be accurate at all. (Actually, that looks like a default time for pretty much all announcements that go up on the main site, no matter what time it was posted.) Just stating the day the servers go back up should suffice. Anyway, let's discuss. I'd like to make some progress on this project so we can at least get new updates in this format. We can always save the conversion of older updates for later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:18, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Suggestion one: sort them by season (e.g. March to May = Spring 2008) Suggestion two: Newest updates go at the top of the page, not the bottom. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:10, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Sorry for splitting this discussion up between a few different articles. <_<; Anyway, I've come up with a little prototype design for something like what I was envisioning for the new updates section. I haven't made a portal page for it, but you can view two of the sections [[Updates/February_2008|here]] and [[Updates/March_2008|here]]. Each article will contain the updates for its respective month, listed with the newest update the top, oldest at the bottom. At the very bottom of each article will be that little calendar thing to make navigating the updates section easier. I'd like to mess around with the calendar colors and stuff some more (I just copy-pasted the code of one of the front page tables to make these) and maybe play with the sizing to make it a tad bit smaller. But, I'll save that for later. So, questions, comments? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:27, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
* Agreed with all of the above, with the exception of the removal of update times. Things like 5-hour maintenances for large updates serve a limited amount of historic value, but more importantly, just using "the date" doesn't tell people much. The servers are PST and start maintenance one hour before midnight, so for everyone east of that (which is pretty much everyone, I'm sure) it would be one day out. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:14, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** The down time is static. I think it's always been 11:00p.m. PST, so we don't need that with each update. A note on the main updates page stating that maintenance occurs each Friday starting at that time should suffice. If we decide to include the time when the servers come back online after a maintenance period, we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this. Whenever the servers come back up, the announcement on the front page always reads 12:01a.m., even if it's much later in the morning. Heh, even announcements posted mid-afternoon say they were posted one minute after midnight. XD Anyway, what I'm getting at is we'd need someone to stay on top of keeping accurate track of maintenance downtime each update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:43, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
*** ''"we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this"'' - I did this back when I worked from home, but it's been nearly a year since I stopped :P board "SERVER IS UP" threads don't help either because you can never tell which is the first that was telling the truth :P either way, the first few months at least have accurate downtime records. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:05, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Drop Templates ===
I keep seeing drop templates being given numbers (the latest I saw being [[Template:Dark Falz 90]]). Why do we include numbers? Why can't we just call it the monster name and add a parameter to it specifying levels? ie the [[Template:Dark Falz]] page I made. Simply use <nowiki>{{Dark Falz | lvl=90 }}</nowiki> to get the same result as <nowiki>{{Dark Falz 90}}</nowiki>. Or...is there a reason that I completely missed? So many extra pages (and database entries) being made that can minimized into single pages.. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 17:46, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* I think Espio just likes doing extra work, makes him look important and keeps him from being bored at his job doing... whatever he does. Just kidding. Probably. On a more serious note, I think it's time to start actually archiving some of these discussions here. It took me almost a full minute to scroll all the way down the page to where this comment resides. -[[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:30, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Primarily, I think no one ever thought of it. To be honest though, I find that rather confusing, but I can see its worth. Oh, and Sekani, I agree. The problem is that the topics aren't ordered by date. New topics are supposed to go at the top, but that only seems to happen half the time. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:38, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Curses! You've got me, Sekani. XD
Seriously, though, a template like that is a very good idea, but considering how incredibly deep into use the current templates are, we'd be looking at creating a ridiculous amount of extra work for ourselves just to create the new templates and change all of the existing uses in articles and drop charts and what-not to the new style. Time like that would likely be best spent on more important matters around here. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Well, let's just start using new kinds of templates from now on. Phasing out the old one can just be done like, one monster a day or something. It would be slow, but it'd get done eventually. :) --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 09:15, 19 February 2008 (CST)
** I'll be completely honest with you: I'd prefer we not. I appreciate the idea, but I'd much rather we stick with the current, established templates than have multiple styles about the site that mean extra clean up later. Again, the time that would be spent creating and implementing the new templates could be put to much better use with the numerous other projects about the site. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to avoid extra work for everyone. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 19 February 2008 (CST)

=== Audio Files ===
Files with the extension MP3 or OGG cannot be uploaded; why is this? All of the currently available samples in the [[Jukebox discs]] section are really awful because of their encoding and there's no way to reasonably change them. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 10:20, 29 February 2008 (CST)
* I haven't enabled those file types yet. I may do so soon, if we decide to install an in-wiki audio-player extension. However, we do not intend to host the entire file for the jukebox disks, but rather only a low quality preview so that you know what you're getting before you buy the disc. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:18, 29 February 2008 (CST)
** Yes, I understand that these are meant to be samples but the ones that are currently available are poorly encoded. Also I don't understand why you would want an in-wiki media player when users can download the files and listen in their player of choice? [[User:DOS|DOS]] 21:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*** The "poor encoding" was intentional. The samples do what they were intended to do ("What does Disc 77 sound like?") while not running up unnecessary bandwidth bills. I honestly see nothing to be gained from using a high-bitrate sample. We're not here to cater to audiophiles or people looking for free music. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**** Maybe try encoding at 64Kbps? At least something that doesn't make listening to these files totally unpleasant. 32Kbps is way too low. I don't think this is an unreasonable increase; I wasn't planning on asking for lossless clips or anything. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 09:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** They sound fine to me. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 10:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** 32Kbps hurts to listen to..to me at least. :( --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 10:07, 1 March 2008 (CST)
****** Try turning the volume down then. Your ears will thank you. All jokes aside, the orchestrated clips in particular actually are pretty bad, so I'll try uploading them in a different format this weekend. WMA is the only other near-universal format I can think of, and it should provide some improvement in quality. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:00, 6 March 2008 (CST)
****** Just so you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been busy with actual work lately (had to recode an entire website almost from scratch), not to mention Audacity doesn't like exporting to WMA. Windows Media Encoder does the job, but the samples cut off abruptly instead of the short fadeout the current clips have. Still looking for a solution, suggestions welcome. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:14, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
******* Wanted to throw my 2p in here - I'd steer clear of WMA as it's not exactly a universal format, not least due to the fact it stands for 'Windows Media Audio'! I'd stick with MP3, 64kbps is plenty for this purpose and still results in small files - about 500k/minute, almost any media player can play it and you're not stuck with users who may have to download additional software to listen to the files. I'm just thinking from a usability point of view more than anything else. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 08:58, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******* Quick addendum - I've just gone looking for said audio files, all I can find is WMA and one 128k MP3. Clicking the links to WMA files opens Winamp (my default music player) for me, which then fails to play the file. This is one of the usability reasons I mentioned - all of a sudden, to listen to this file becomes too much faff. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:06, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******** Someone else had [[Talk:Jukebox discs#New Topic|the same issue]] a while back, and the problem actually lies with Winamp. Set Windows Media Player or Quicktime as your default handler for WMA files. If you're not willing to do that, just save the files to your hard drive before playing them. Unfortunately the wiki doesn't support the complex code needed for forced streaming. As far as compatibility goes, let's just say that I have ''never'' seen a system that was incapable of playing WMA files right out of the box. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:00, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********* Actually, Ubuntu out of the box can't. Mac OS X out of the box can't either. Windows can, sure, because it's a M$ format. That said the only format I would support and recommand is OGG, unless you go lossless (but not much point for these). [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:39, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********** What's OGG compatibility like, though? Again, I'm not sure that Windows Media Player is capable of playing that! If you want to stick with WMAs that's fine but I reckon a little note encouraging people to download the file rather than left-click it would be well-advised. There's a lot of people out there that are savvy enough to install a third-party media player but not savvy enough to figure out what's gone wrong when something doesn't work :) [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 15:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

===XBOX Gamertag embeds===
The Microsoft XBOX site allows you to add your Gamertag Card to anything that accepts the code... I haven't figured it out how to get it to display on the PSUPedia pages (probably a coding issue) but anywhere else its something groovy to show off, and a nice easy link to see how the online gamer is acutally doing.
Just a thought.

Wolfmist
* Judging by your edit history, it appears to use some non-standard HTML tags. Unfortunately, a wiki only accepts tags for simple things such as bold, italics, etc. The best thing you'll be able to do is throw up a simple link. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:15, 2 March 2008 (CST)
** I already tried this a while ago when I first started messing around here. No dice. I don't think wikis are designed to accept dynamic content like Gamertag info. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:39, 6 March 2008 (CST)
***Yeah, thought as much. Thanks for the info though, I'll remember to keep stuff simple on here, lol. - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 06:39, 13 March 2008 (GMT)

===Giresta Article===
I tried to submit information about this Photon Art - why do people keep deleting/changing it?
Check the article's history, stuff I said was true, that Giresta does everything that Resta does, that the spell significantly transforms at around Level 15 (and I did say that I hadn't confirmed that fact) and a few other things. I suppose a few editorial comments wouldn't go amiss for every article edit, would it? Learn from mistakes and all that?

- Wolfmist
* Comments like yours don't belong in a proper article, especially since the information was erroneous (as with all techs, the only changes take place every 10 levels). Additionally, we have a standard format for articles such as [[Giresta]], and we would like to stick to it for all such articles. Finally, never sign an edit to an article, only for talk pages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:15, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
** Comments like mine? Erroneous Information? Look, Qwerty, I send information with the best intentions. And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said, and fine, I may not be great at spelling or grammar, so fine edit those but please don't be insulting about it! If you have to be blunt then fine, but have you ever heard of taking your staff around a corner to talk rather than shouting out mistakes for all to hear? Jeeze, Lighten up! Oh, and besides, that particular article would never have recieved data if I hadn't brought attention to it. Same with a lot of other articles, actually, which could be interesting to read. Have you ever seen intriguing things happen in the game that have no explanations yet? I have, and I actually like to make the effort of attempting things myself if nothing's been done by anyone else... there I've had my beef and now I need a cookie, lol. --[[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 11:38, 19 March 2008 (GMT)
*** I removed the comments in question because, for reasons Qwerty stated(I don't think it was all too rude how he put it either). And for reasons that PSUP is supposed to be as unbiased as possible, and to say something like "Designed to replace Resta" is simply biased - Resta has the major plus of better range and quicker casting time, so it is simply an opinion and I felt had little place in the article. You put your things in better words after my edit, and Espio formatted it correctly, but the huge problem even without the opinionated remarks is the information that has no evidence for such as it "improving at 15" and "getting better range all the time". - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:09, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
*** On another note, "''And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said''" is not advised practise. The intent of this resource is to provide facts alone, leaving what is essentially speculation to the discussion pages. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:26, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

===New Expansion Release?===
There are rumors floating around that a new version (like AOTI) will soon be released... What whispers have you lot heard? Spill the beans if its true! - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 03:56, 26 March 2008 (GMT).
* No one has heard anything. For the time being, it's all (meaningless and silly) speculation. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:29, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
* These rumours are, if anything, probably based on the upcoming PSP game [[Phantasy Star Portable]]. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-19T23:32:17Z

Sekani: /* More Who's Online stuff */ Hey Espio

Welcome to ''Raffon Field Base'', the page where you can discuss and ask questions about PSUPedia!

* This page is for general discussion about the PSUPedia.
** Unlike the actual Raffon Field Base, it's not for chit-chat, trading or anything else that has nothing to do with PSUPedia, or its contents.
** If you have a question about a specific article, it's better to make a comment on that article's talk page, rather than posting it here.
** Things that can go here: general suggestions about the 'Pedia, content that needs to be added, errors and bugs, etc.
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Enjoy! - ''the PSUPedia Staff.''

To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[Raffon Field Base archive|here]].

== To-do list ==
For a list of in-progress and soon-to-be-started projects at the PSUPedia, please see the following article.
* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
** I tried using the enhanced setting, but I find it to also be more trouble than it is worth. The real solution is for people to read the notice on the front page before doing anything. If you can't do that, then I'm more than happy to warn people. As someone mentioned earlier, it may be worthwhile creating a templatized notice to post when people spam their user page with edits. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:13, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== April Fool's Day articles ===
Bravo on the April Fool's articles. I've gotten a good chortle out of the reactions from them! But, how long should we let this go on? I was planning on adding the backpacker girl April Fool's joke template thing to them later tonight, but I'm wondering if we might ought to do it earlier? A lot of people are acting pretty stupid over the whole thing, and the number of people who outright believe it baffles me. So, early intervention or let it go a little longer? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:37, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
* Let it go till tonight, then we can move them all to [[The_PSUPedia: April Fools]] (or something). If we have time, a [[B.O.R.D. Revolution]] article would be good too. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:45, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
** That'll work. I won't be home until pretty late tonight, so I can take care of it then if no one else has. If I get a chance (probably tomorrow at the earliest) I might see about getting a B.O.R.D. Revoltuion thing up, too. I was fairly amused by that when I saw it at Shougai yesterday. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:17, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

=== User pages edit protection ===
* What about [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserPageEditProtection this]? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Great idea. If I knew how, I'd go ahead and set it up, but my wiki experience goes about as far as page coding. >_> - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:35, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Say the word.... - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** The word. ;) Be my guest if you can get this one going. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:23, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Too late, I already did it. I'm going to hold off on BreadCrumbs until I have more time to understand exactly how it works. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

=== TP or Tech. ? ===
* In game it says "Tech.", on psupedia you've used TP (while using the correctly Att. and Acc. for other weapons). Can I fix that? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:15, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, for the [[Rods|rods]] chart? Yeah, that should be "Tech." Any others you've noticed like that? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:20, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** About all the weapons page actually. Some are not converted to templates tho, so can convert at the same time. Needs mass edits and conversions. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:36, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Done the ones using templates. Still have to do:
**** Rod, Ulrod, Rayharod, Pumpkinhead, Slyrod, Hajirod, Tomoirod, Rodoc, Granarod, Mayrod, Granadoroc, Howrod, Halarod, Gaozoran Rod, Kazarod, Psycho Wand
**** C rank wands, B rank wands, Cometara, Lidra, Majimra, Magical Wand, Uransara, Tesbra
**** I suggest to do that while converting to templates, but if someone wanna do it without waiting, be my guest. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:58, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Already left you a note on your talk page, but just to reiterate: TP, please. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:00, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Aha, this seems like a better place to discuss it than that talk page. To summarise what's on there: Weapon and [[Line shields|line shield]] summary articles have long used the game's notation, hence the conflict. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:42, 29 March 2008 (CDT)
**** So, what is the official decision about this? I'm for using the in-game notation if you need my opinion. Also it should be added to the manual of style. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:00, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

===Minor Note Involving Spawn Charts===
* I've come across a lot of rare monster charts that have had different definitions of "spawn," in that some say "third spawn" when they mean practically the third room, and some mean it in the sense that it's the third group of monsters. Would it be possible to set a standard, and define it on the "Enemy Spawn Charts" page? [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 06:50, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** It means a "group of monster", which may or may not appear all at the same time, but will appear in the same room and if they don't appear at the same time, will appear because of the death of some monster in the group. If a group of monsters appear after you have cleared a room, it's not the same spawn, even if they appear in the same room (for example there's 3 spawns in lab recovery b3). Agree with putting a good definition somewhere tho. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 06:57, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Thanks for clearing it up, although I'm not entirely sure if all of the charts follow that standard. Sometimes "third spawn" is.. really confusing. I'll be running through a few of them in the meantime, though. Thanks for clarifying. :) [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 13:19, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's supposed to mean enemy spawn. If in one room you take out one group of enemies entirely and then another one shows up in the same room, that is a second spawn. There is (or was?) a notation guide for these spawn charts but I'm not sure if it defines "a spawn" or not. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:44, 29 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Reviving WhosOnline ===
* Sorry, I was just trying to get the WhosOnline extension to work again, after [[User:Tycho|I]] and consequently [[User:Mono|Mono]] started making proper user pages recently. I kinda want it back since the first time around it caused a wave of people spontaneously starting to make user pages because the wiki had suddenly become less anonymous. I wasn't able to get it to work though, since apparently compatibility with this MediaWiki version sucks. I failed when trying [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:MW:_Whos_Online_Extension#Who.27s_Online.2C_Mediawiki_1.9.x_not_working_.28Fixed.29 this], and step 1 from [http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/mediawiki-extension-whosonline/ this guide] is just beyond me. If there are any other staff members courageous enough to give this a try, please give it a shot. >_<; - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 05:15, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
** Psh, piece of cake. If I had FTP access I could get this working in a few minutes. Unfortunately, I'm not on staff, so... I guess I could try walking someone else through it. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
** I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:08, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

<pre>'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline></pre>

'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline>

* A shame it's not uh...working? It shows me as online if I view the recent changes "difference" you just made, but not if I just view the page. And it doesn't display guests at all. >_> Oh and the only person with FTP access is Tycho and Qwerty, in case you wanted to know. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 13:12, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
** Works for me? Bleh, the instructions Tycho linked me to were fail, so I had to improvise a bit. Try adding the code to a different page and see what happens. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:25, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Seems to be working fine for me, too, both here and on the front page. Though it's curious that no "guests" show up. I've got to get back to work, but I think I might play around with its placement on the front page later if I have time. (I'd like to go on an update the "latest missions" section with Friday's stuff, anyway.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:44, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It isn't working for me either. Depending on how I view the main page (either just looking at it or looking at the most recent change), I get a completely different list. Just viewing the page, I don't even show up. Anyway, Mewn and Miraglyth both also have FTP access, just for the record. I can give the details out to Espio and Bea through various private messaging routes, if they so desire. On a related note, that color scheme for the box looks absolutely horrid, and I'm not too fond of its placement on the page. I will probably mess with it here shortly. But yeah, it doesn't appear to be functioning properly. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:18, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
**** OK, it would appear that the online list only updates once an action is taken, such as logging in or making an edit, and even then apparently on a page-by-page basis. Also, a user remains active on the list for an hour. The time length I can change no problem, but I'm not sure if it's possible or if it even was intended to keep track of people just browsing the site. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:40, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Hrm... there's got to be something that can be done to make it display guests and registered users in real time as opposed to edit-by-edit. I assume you've checked these, but I'll throw them out there anyway, just in case. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online MediaWiki Who's online extension article], [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/MW:_Whos_Online_Extension Original extension at Check Mate]. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:42, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Upon further research there may be a glitch related to this wiki's version number that's causing some issues. I'm going to reinstall the extension and see if anything improves. If any of you have added this extension to any other pages you may want to remove it to prevent any nasty errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:52, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
**** As far as I'm aware, my FTP access is limited to a subspace. I doubt these changes require access to the messy innards of this place, but if they did I wouldn't have been able to help. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:18, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
* HUGE SUCCESS. Seems to be working (for the most part) now. I just added it back to the front page and noticed that the number of registered members changed on me between refreshes. Guests still don't show up for some reason, though. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:40, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
** Scratch that. Guests suddenly showed up. So... HUGE SUCCESS. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:43, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Awesome. thanks for getting that working, Sekani. Is it wrong that I laugh that we have more people viewing the 'Pedia than the entirety of Sega's forums? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:25, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Fuck yes, nice job. Sorry the pages I linked didn't provide much help on the subject, but it's about as much as I could find. Seeing the site activity is this decent is a pretty cool compliment. In any case, I'm hoping this'll make things more personal to participants. More people registering and making profiles plz. :> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 07:04, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
==== More Who's Online stuff ====
* Hmmm... is there any way to place this on the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] page? - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:54, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
** I'm sure there's some way, but I don't know how to access that page to make changes. I like the idea of having this there; but aside from that, there's a small mistake that was pointed out to me on the page. It says "below are the last 100 changes made in the last '''last''' 7 days." Last is typed twice for some reason. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Turns out the language file (what controls what text is displayed on most special pages) isn't editable directly, or at least it's not supposed to be. There's some page called Special:Allmessages that has editable text in it, and is only accessible by sysops or higher. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:32, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Update section overhaul ===
We had a little discussion going on this a few months ago, but it kind of fizzled off. I'd like to get it going again since, as it's been noted on numerous occasions, our current updates section is getting ginormous. Jubei put together an example of one way to prettify our updates ([[User:JubeiSaotome/Sandbox/Updates]]) which I'm quite pleased with. However, one thing we didn't come to a decision on is how to break up individual pages. Should it be broken up by update, by month, by quarter, or what? Also, I'm thinking that maybe we don't need to document the exact time the servers go up and down. The up time changes constantly from what I've seen, and the 00:01:00 the official site gives doesn't seem to be accurate at all. (Actually, that looks like a default time for pretty much all announcements that go up on the main site, no matter what time it was posted.) Just stating the day the servers go back up should suffice. Anyway, let's discuss. I'd like to make some progress on this project so we can at least get new updates in this format. We can always save the conversion of older updates for later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:18, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Suggestion one: sort them by season (e.g. March to May = Spring 2008) Suggestion two: Newest updates go at the top of the page, not the bottom. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:10, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Sorry for splitting this discussion up between a few different articles. <_<; Anyway, I've come up with a little prototype design for something like what I was envisioning for the new updates section. I haven't made a portal page for it, but you can view two of the sections [[Updates/February_2008|here]] and [[Updates/March_2008|here]]. Each article will contain the updates for its respective month, listed with the newest update the top, oldest at the bottom. At the very bottom of each article will be that little calendar thing to make navigating the updates section easier. I'd like to mess around with the calendar colors and stuff some more (I just copy-pasted the code of one of the front page tables to make these) and maybe play with the sizing to make it a tad bit smaller. But, I'll save that for later. So, questions, comments? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:27, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
* Agreed with all of the above, with the exception of the removal of update times. Things like 5-hour maintenances for large updates serve a limited amount of historic value, but more importantly, just using "the date" doesn't tell people much. The servers are PST and start maintenance one hour before midnight, so for everyone east of that (which is pretty much everyone, I'm sure) it would be one day out. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:14, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** The down time is static. I think it's always been 11:00p.m. PST, so we don't need that with each update. A note on the main updates page stating that maintenance occurs each Friday starting at that time should suffice. If we decide to include the time when the servers come back online after a maintenance period, we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this. Whenever the servers come back up, the announcement on the front page always reads 12:01a.m., even if it's much later in the morning. Heh, even announcements posted mid-afternoon say they were posted one minute after midnight. XD Anyway, what I'm getting at is we'd need someone to stay on top of keeping accurate track of maintenance downtime each update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:43, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
*** ''"we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this"'' - I did this back when I worked from home, but it's been nearly a year since I stopped :P board "SERVER IS UP" threads don't help either because you can never tell which is the first that was telling the truth :P either way, the first few months at least have accurate downtime records. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:05, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Drop Templates ===
I keep seeing drop templates being given numbers (the latest I saw being [[Template:Dark Falz 90]]). Why do we include numbers? Why can't we just call it the monster name and add a parameter to it specifying levels? ie the [[Template:Dark Falz]] page I made. Simply use <nowiki>{{Dark Falz | lvl=90 }}</nowiki> to get the same result as <nowiki>{{Dark Falz 90}}</nowiki>. Or...is there a reason that I completely missed? So many extra pages (and database entries) being made that can minimized into single pages.. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 17:46, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* I think Espio just likes doing extra work, makes him look important and keeps him from being bored at his job doing... whatever he does. Just kidding. Probably. On a more serious note, I think it's time to start actually archiving some of these discussions here. It took me almost a full minute to scroll all the way down the page to where this comment resides. -[[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:30, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Primarily, I think no one ever thought of it. To be honest though, I find that rather confusing, but I can see its worth. Oh, and Sekani, I agree. The problem is that the topics aren't ordered by date. New topics are supposed to go at the top, but that only seems to happen half the time. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:38, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Curses! You've got me, Sekani. XD
Seriously, though, a template like that is a very good idea, but considering how incredibly deep into use the current templates are, we'd be looking at creating a ridiculous amount of extra work for ourselves just to create the new templates and change all of the existing uses in articles and drop charts and what-not to the new style. Time like that would likely be best spent on more important matters around here. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Well, let's just start using new kinds of templates from now on. Phasing out the old one can just be done like, one monster a day or something. It would be slow, but it'd get done eventually. :) --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 09:15, 19 February 2008 (CST)
** I'll be completely honest with you: I'd prefer we not. I appreciate the idea, but I'd much rather we stick with the current, established templates than have multiple styles about the site that mean extra clean up later. Again, the time that would be spent creating and implementing the new templates could be put to much better use with the numerous other projects about the site. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to avoid extra work for everyone. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 19 February 2008 (CST)

=== Audio Files ===
Files with the extension MP3 or OGG cannot be uploaded; why is this? All of the currently available samples in the [[Jukebox discs]] section are really awful because of their encoding and there's no way to reasonably change them. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 10:20, 29 February 2008 (CST)
* I haven't enabled those file types yet. I may do so soon, if we decide to install an in-wiki audio-player extension. However, we do not intend to host the entire file for the jukebox disks, but rather only a low quality preview so that you know what you're getting before you buy the disc. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:18, 29 February 2008 (CST)
** Yes, I understand that these are meant to be samples but the ones that are currently available are poorly encoded. Also I don't understand why you would want an in-wiki media player when users can download the files and listen in their player of choice? [[User:DOS|DOS]] 21:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*** The "poor encoding" was intentional. The samples do what they were intended to do ("What does Disc 77 sound like?") while not running up unnecessary bandwidth bills. I honestly see nothing to be gained from using a high-bitrate sample. We're not here to cater to audiophiles or people looking for free music. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**** Maybe try encoding at 64Kbps? At least something that doesn't make listening to these files totally unpleasant. 32Kbps is way too low. I don't think this is an unreasonable increase; I wasn't planning on asking for lossless clips or anything. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 09:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** They sound fine to me. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 10:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** 32Kbps hurts to listen to..to me at least. :( --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 10:07, 1 March 2008 (CST)
****** Try turning the volume down then. Your ears will thank you. All jokes aside, the orchestrated clips in particular actually are pretty bad, so I'll try uploading them in a different format this weekend. WMA is the only other near-universal format I can think of, and it should provide some improvement in quality. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:00, 6 March 2008 (CST)
****** Just so you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been busy with actual work lately (had to recode an entire website almost from scratch), not to mention Audacity doesn't like exporting to WMA. Windows Media Encoder does the job, but the samples cut off abruptly instead of the short fadeout the current clips have. Still looking for a solution, suggestions welcome. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:14, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
******* Wanted to throw my 2p in here - I'd steer clear of WMA as it's not exactly a universal format, not least due to the fact it stands for 'Windows Media Audio'! I'd stick with MP3, 64kbps is plenty for this purpose and still results in small files - about 500k/minute, almost any media player can play it and you're not stuck with users who may have to download additional software to listen to the files. I'm just thinking from a usability point of view more than anything else. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 08:58, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******* Quick addendum - I've just gone looking for said audio files, all I can find is WMA and one 128k MP3. Clicking the links to WMA files opens Winamp (my default music player) for me, which then fails to play the file. This is one of the usability reasons I mentioned - all of a sudden, to listen to this file becomes too much faff. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:06, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******** Someone else had [[Talk:Jukebox discs#New Topic|the same issue]] a while back, and the problem actually lies with Winamp. Set Windows Media Player or Quicktime as your default handler for WMA files. If you're not willing to do that, just save the files to your hard drive before playing them. Unfortunately the wiki doesn't support the complex code needed for forced streaming. As far as compatibility goes, let's just say that I have ''never'' seen a system that was incapable of playing WMA files right out of the box. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:00, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********* Actually, Ubuntu out of the box can't. Mac OS X out of the box can't either. Windows can, sure, because it's a M$ format. That said the only format I would support and recommand is OGG, unless you go lossless (but not much point for these). [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:39, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********** What's OGG compatibility like, though? Again, I'm not sure that Windows Media Player is capable of playing that! If you want to stick with WMAs that's fine but I reckon a little note encouraging people to download the file rather than left-click it would be well-advised. There's a lot of people out there that are savvy enough to install a third-party media player but not savvy enough to figure out what's gone wrong when something doesn't work :) [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 15:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

===XBOX Gamertag embeds===
The Microsoft XBOX site allows you to add your Gamertag Card to anything that accepts the code... I haven't figured it out how to get it to display on the PSUPedia pages (probably a coding issue) but anywhere else its something groovy to show off, and a nice easy link to see how the online gamer is acutally doing.
Just a thought.

Wolfmist
* Judging by your edit history, it appears to use some non-standard HTML tags. Unfortunately, a wiki only accepts tags for simple things such as bold, italics, etc. The best thing you'll be able to do is throw up a simple link. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:15, 2 March 2008 (CST)
** I already tried this a while ago when I first started messing around here. No dice. I don't think wikis are designed to accept dynamic content like Gamertag info. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:39, 6 March 2008 (CST)
***Yeah, thought as much. Thanks for the info though, I'll remember to keep stuff simple on here, lol. - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 06:39, 13 March 2008 (GMT)

===Giresta Article===
I tried to submit information about this Photon Art - why do people keep deleting/changing it?
Check the article's history, stuff I said was true, that Giresta does everything that Resta does, that the spell significantly transforms at around Level 15 (and I did say that I hadn't confirmed that fact) and a few other things. I suppose a few editorial comments wouldn't go amiss for every article edit, would it? Learn from mistakes and all that?

- Wolfmist
* Comments like yours don't belong in a proper article, especially since the information was erroneous (as with all techs, the only changes take place every 10 levels). Additionally, we have a standard format for articles such as [[Giresta]], and we would like to stick to it for all such articles. Finally, never sign an edit to an article, only for talk pages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:15, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
** Comments like mine? Erroneous Information? Look, Qwerty, I send information with the best intentions. And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said, and fine, I may not be great at spelling or grammar, so fine edit those but please don't be insulting about it! If you have to be blunt then fine, but have you ever heard of taking your staff around a corner to talk rather than shouting out mistakes for all to hear? Jeeze, Lighten up! Oh, and besides, that particular article would never have recieved data if I hadn't brought attention to it. Same with a lot of other articles, actually, which could be interesting to read. Have you ever seen intriguing things happen in the game that have no explanations yet? I have, and I actually like to make the effort of attempting things myself if nothing's been done by anyone else... there I've had my beef and now I need a cookie, lol. --[[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 11:38, 19 March 2008 (GMT)
*** I removed the comments in question because, for reasons Qwerty stated(I don't think it was all too rude how he put it either). And for reasons that PSUP is supposed to be as unbiased as possible, and to say something like "Designed to replace Resta" is simply biased - Resta has the major plus of better range and quicker casting time, so it is simply an opinion and I felt had little place in the article. You put your things in better words after my edit, and Espio formatted it correctly, but the huge problem even without the opinionated remarks is the information that has no evidence for such as it "improving at 15" and "getting better range all the time". - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:09, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
*** On another note, "''And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said''" is not advised practise. The intent of this resource is to provide facts alone, leaving what is essentially speculation to the discussion pages. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:26, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

===New Expansion Release?===
There are rumors floating around that a new version (like AOTI) will soon be released... What whispers have you lot heard? Spill the beans if its true! - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 03:56, 26 March 2008 (GMT).
* No one has heard anything. For the time being, it's all (meaningless and silly) speculation. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:29, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
* These rumours are, if anything, probably based on the upcoming PSP game [[Phantasy Star Portable]]. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Amore Tip

2008-05-19T16:20:18Z

Sekani: New page: [http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=176032&forum=20&10] Apparently the correct name is ''Amore Tip''; I can't confirm this myself since I've never seen the thing. - ~~~~

[http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=176032&forum=20&10] Apparently the correct name is ''Amore Tip''; I can't confirm this myself since I've never seen the thing. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:20, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

DB Line

2008-05-18T06:14:32Z

Sekani: /* Item details */

{{AotI Only}}
''A line shield said to have appeared from a dimensional rift deep inside a RELICS site. It's said to hold a great hero's soul.'' 
{{9 stars}}

==Item details==
* This line shield ( {{neutral}} ) can be obtained in the [[Maximum Attack G (event)|Maximum Attack G]] item exchange mission [[Gifts from Beyond]], for 20 [[Gold W. Badge|Gold W. Badges]].
* The synthesis board for this line shield is currently only available on the Japanese servers.
* Has a [[Set bonuses|set bonus]] with [[DB's Sword]] and [[Twin DB Swords]]: 45 ATP, 60 DFP, 40 MST, and 1 STA.

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS stats
|Rarity= 9
|Ver.= AOTI
|Mfr.= G
|Def.= 139
|Eva.= 227
|Ment.= 121
|End.= 0
|Req.= 100
|Att.= 20
|Acc.= 10
|Tech.= 0
}}
||
{{LS synth
|Rarity= 9
|Photon=
|Mfr.= G
|Extra mat.=
|Extra qty.=
|Board= [B] DB Line
}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Line shield
|Buy=
|Sell= 136000
|Shop=
|[B] buy=
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop=
}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS slot info
|Head=
|Arm= o
|Body= o
|Extra= o}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Line shield
|Source=
|Level=
|Type= }}
|}
|}

[[Category:Line shields]]

Castest Line

2008-05-16T20:55:15Z

Sekani: /* Item details */

''A super high-end, custom-made line shield created for CASTs, by CASTs.'' 
{{11 stars}}
==Item details==
* As the description says, can only be equipped by CAST characters.

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS stats
|Rarity=11
|Ver.=AotI
|Mfr.=G
|Def.=132
|Eva.=271
|Ment.=157
|End.=3
|Req.=122
|Att.=-
|Acc.=-
|Tech.=-
}}
||
{{LS synth
|Rarity=11
|Photon=
|Mfr.=G
|Board=[B] Castest Line
}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type=Line shield
|Buy=
|Sell=
|Shop=N/A
|[B] buy=
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop=N/A
}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS slot info
|Arm=o
|Body=o
|Extra=o
}}
||
{{Drop info
|Source=Mother Brain
|Level=125-149
|Type=Board
}}
|}
|}

[[Category: Line shields]]

Castest Line

2008-05-16T20:53:40Z

Sekani: Template conversion

==Item details==
''A super high-end, custom-made line shield created for CASTs, by CASTs.'' 
{{11 stars}}

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS stats
|Rarity=11
|Ver.=AotI
|Mfr.=G
|Def.=132
|Eva.=271
|Ment.=157
|End.=3
|Req.=122
|Att.=-
|Acc.=-
|Tech.=-
}}
||
{{LS synth
|Rarity=11
|Photon=
|Mfr.=G
|Board=[B] Castest Line
}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type=Line shield
|Buy=
|Sell=
|Shop=N/A
|[B] buy=
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop=N/A
}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS slot info
|Arm=o
|Body=o
|Extra=o
}}
||
{{Drop info
|Source=Mother Brain
|Level=125-149
|Type=Board
}}
|}
|}

[[Category: Line shields]]

The re-PSUPedia:Article templates

2008-05-16T20:47:03Z

Sekani: /* Weapon and line shield stat tables */

This page will catalog all major article templates used throughout the site, such as infoboxes, weapon stat tables and synthesis board information.

== Mission article infoboxes ==
* [[Template:Mission infobox]]
* [[Template:Special mission]]
* [[Template:Mission infobox (offline)]]

== Weapon and line shield stat tables ==

* [[Template:Weapon stats test|Weapon stats]]
* [[Template:LS stats test|Line shield stats]]
* [[Template:LS_slot_info|Line shield slot info]]
* [[Template:Drop info|Drop information box]]
* [[Template:Grinding info test|Grinding stats]]
* [[Template:Pricing info test|Pricing information]]
* [[Template:Unit stats|Unit stats]]

== Synthesis information tables ==
* [[Template:Weapon synth board|Weapon synthesis stats]]
* [[Template:Weapon synth board (Kubara)|Kubara weapon synthesis stats]]
* [[Template:LS synth|Line shield synthesis stats]]

== Enemy articles ==
* [[Template:Enemy infobox]]
* [[Template:Enemy stats]]
* [[Template:Boss stats]]

== Enemy drop information ==
* [[Template:Drop info]]

The re-PSUPedia:Article templates

2008-05-16T20:41:32Z

Sekani: /* Enemy drop information */

This page will catalog all major article templates used throughout the site, such as infoboxes, weapon stat tables and synthesis board information.

== Mission article infoboxes ==
* [[Template:Mission infobox]]
* [[Template:Special mission]]
* [[Template:Mission infobox (offline)]]

== Weapon and line shield stat tables ==

* [[Template:Weapon stats test|Weapon stats]]
* [[Template:LS stats test|Line shield stats]]
* [[Template:Drop info|Drop information box]]
* [[Template:Grinding info test|Grinding stats]]
* [[Template:Pricing info test|Pricing information]]
* [[Template:Unit stats|Unit stats]]

== Synthesis information tables ==
* [[Template:Weapon synth board|Weapon synthesis stats]]
* [[Template:Weapon synth board (Kubara)|Kubara weapon synthesis stats]]
* [[Template:LS synth|Line shield synthesis stats]]

== Enemy articles ==
* [[Template:Enemy infobox]]
* [[Template:Enemy stats]]
* [[Template:Boss stats]]

== Enemy drop information ==
* [[Template:Drop info]]

Castest Line

2008-05-16T20:22:25Z

Sekani: /* Stats, synthesis, etc. */

==Item details==
A super high-end, custom-made line shield created for CASTs, by CASTs.

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Type''' || {{Line shield icon}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Def''' || 132
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Rarity'''|| {{Color-S}}|11★ || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Eva''' || 271
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Version''' || {{AotI version}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ment''' || 157
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Mfg.''' || [[Image:GRM-logo.png|19px|GRM]] || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''End.''' || 3
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Req.''' || 122
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Board Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Photon''' || [[???-photon]] x-20 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ore''' || [[Merculine]] x-12
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Hard material''' || [[Nanopolymer]] x-30 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | - || -
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 1 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Rate''' || 52-???%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || 36:00 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Used''' || [B] Castest Line
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | '''Pricing Information'''
|- style="background:#f2f2f2"
| colspan="2"|'''Line shield''' || colspan="2"|'''Board'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || Unknown || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || Unknown
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None
|}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4"| '''Slot Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Head''' || '''Arm''' || '''Body''' || '''Extra'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| - || o || o || o
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4" | '''Drop Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Monster/Mission''' || '''Level''' || '''Type'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Mother Brain]] || 125-149 || Board
|}
|}
|}

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-16T20:08:27Z

Sekani: /* User page edits */ Staff members, you need to read this.

Welcome to ''Raffon Field Base'', the page where you can discuss and ask questions about PSUPedia!

* This page is for general discussion about the PSUPedia.
** Unlike the actual Raffon Field Base, it's not for chit-chat, trading or anything else that has nothing to do with PSUPedia, or its contents.
** If you have a question about a specific article, it's better to make a comment on that article's talk page, rather than posting it here.
** Things that can go here: general suggestions about the 'Pedia, content that needs to be added, errors and bugs, etc.
* When raising a new topic of discussion, please use a header (=== Your Discussion Title Here ===) and place it at the top of the 'Current Discussions' section.
* Finally, when making a comment, sign it by using 4 tildes (~), this will add your username and the time and date of your comment. In addition, if responding to a comment, please use the summary box on the edit page to let others know what you have responded to.

Enjoy! - ''the PSUPedia Staff.''

To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[Raffon Field Base archive|here]].

== To-do list ==
For a list of in-progress and soon-to-be-started projects at the PSUPedia, please see the following article.
* [[The_PSUPedia:To-do_list|To-do list]]

==Current Discussions==

=== User page edits===
Is there no way to prevent user page edits from appearing under recent changes? rather than complaining people make too many edits, just fix the problem like this altogether? [[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 11:17, 16 May 2008 (CDT)
* Preventing user page edits from showing up would be more trouble than it's worth to be honest. Also, the sysops more or less have to keep track of all edits to prevent spam, vandalism, and other stuff. However, I did find a simple solution that will be of some use. Go here: [[Special:Preferences]]. Click on the "Recent changes" tab and check the box for "Enhanced recent changes (Javascript)." This actually collapses all the edits made on a page each day to one line. Makes a ''big'' difference. -- [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:08, 16 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Neutral synth rates===
As far as I'm aware, none of the armor or weapon pages and templates show or account for the success rates when making them with no element. Since going green is apparently becoming more popular with the playerbase, especially with armor, seemed like something to bring up. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 16:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
* Far as I'm concerned, only an idiot would make something neutral, especially an armor. Anyway, there's no space in the tables really, so I think we can just leave it up to people to figure out on their own. It's higher than the listed numbers, we'll just leave it at that. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
** Only an idiot would waste time synthing a two-star saber, but we've got stuff on that too. Just saying. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:18, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Touche (I'M TOO LAZY TO FIND THE PROPERLY ACCENTED E OK GOD). But yeah, there's just not room for it in the template, and it would only confuse people further. Least that's my opinion. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Do non-elemental weapons have a standard synth rate bonus over elementals, or does it vary from weapon to weapon? If it varies between weapon type, it might be worth adding a footnote, e.g. 'All sabers gain a 5% synth rate boost when plain photons are used instead of elemental photons'. I feel this stuff is worth having in, but especially for armours - while some of you feel that neutral armours are an idiot's game, a lot of us can't afford a set of elementals and especially with the appearance of Paradis Cataract, CASTs wanting an S-rank are going to increasingly look towards making themselves a neutral armour what with the rising price of S-rank armour with an extra slot. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:14, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
***** At the very least I'm thinking of adding a special note to some S-rank armors, since I've lost count of the number of people asking about neutral Serafi-senbas on PSOW. If no one feels like reworking the template though, I'm not going to press the issue. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:05, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
****** If it comes to it, I've got nothing against revising the templates to include neutral synth data. Thankfully implementation would be no problem since the success rates would be based on existing parameters (rarity for line shields and category-rarity for weapons). Only problem is finding a way to squeeze the info into the table. It can be done, I'm certain, but it'll likely require a lot of cell rearrangement. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

=== Crea+ weapons ===
* The wiki has real trouble with articles with a + in them, as we've seen with [[User:Aurly|someone here]]. It tends to just remove them, so Creasabra+ will be [[Creasabra]]. I suppose when the time comes to make articles about them we'll just have to rename them to something like [[Creasabra (plus)]] and put a note in the article saying something like 'Due to the technical limitations of the wiki, this item's name cannot be displayed properly. It is supposed to be ''Creasabra+''.' - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:20, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Well, it clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++ can be done], it's just a matter of figuring out how. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 14:26, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** The only way I can get it to work is [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B this way]. Everything else just seems to remove it and act as though it's the Creasabra article. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:58, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** I see. This must be what MediaWiki help meant when they said that using a root.com/articletitle URL format is not recommended due to certain conflicts. We may need to change everything over to the root.com/index.php?title=articletitle format (or root.com/wiki/articletitle, maybe). However, that probably involves messing with the code on levels that I am not at all comfortable with until other options have been ruled out. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
**** Well, depends on how ready you are to deal with more "OMG WUT HAPIND 2 PSU PEE DIAD?" stuff. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 15:15, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
***** That would be quite a mess. I say we just go with [[Creasabra Plus]] or [[Crea Wand Plus]] until we can get Creasabra+, etc. to work properly. Then we could just redirect the Plus articles to the + articles. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

* On a slightly different note, Wormania, why did you change the Creasabra+ page to a redirect to Creasabra (plus)? It won't do anything because the problem is not so much with the article, but the URL. No matter the content of the Creasabra+ page, unless you do it as I stated above the URL changes to Creasabra and you go to that article. Unless you're doing something I'm missing, in which case I'd like you to explain it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:47, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Just testing, needed to see in which order the + was processed in the grand scheme of things. Also my second test didn't work, apparently you cannot redirect to "outside" pages. As I'm sure everyone else has been using, http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B is the page which it will accept, however the [[Creasabra+]] directs to /Creasabra+. As it stands, I see two possible options. You could use [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Creasabra%2B Creasabra+], which is slightly messy, but does the job, or you can do the whole root directory swap, which I can see being messy. This is all ofcourse assuming there's nothing we've missed so far. -- [[User:Wormania|Wormania]]
* Aha, holy shit, that was so stupidly obvious that it actually worked. For the sake of simplicity, let's just do it this way for now: make [[Creasabra plus]] with the content of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Creasabra+]]</nowiki>, and it actually will redirect to the correct page. For linking to it, we can just use <nowiki>[[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]</nowiki> (yields [[Creasabra plus | Creasabra+]]). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:10, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, excellent, that should be a decent way of getting round it then. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:28, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
** And when you click the article tab, it sends you to the regular Creasabra :< --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:32, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Solution: don't click the article tab. This clearly isn't the perfect solution, but it's clearly about as close as we can get without majorly changing URLs and shit. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:36, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
* Don't know if this is still being considered, but I'm 99% sure that a URL change won't affect any internal links. Only links to articles here from other sites like PSOW or the official forums would be affected. Also, the main page URL can stay the same. The process should only involve changing the URL prefix in a configuration file somewhere, not too complicated. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:03, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** Not really up to me, but I guess it's at least worth a shot. If we don't like the results, we can just change it back. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:00, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
** According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides this], I think either MediaWiki is installed into the root folder (which is a bad thing, apparently), or whoever set up the wiki software redirected links to the "short" version, which is just .info/Article_Name. So, I think we need some intervention from Hitmonchan either way. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:32, 12 April 2008 (CDT)

=== [Edit] Text too large ===
I think the [edit] text / link on all pages is in the wrong position, and far too large. It makes the page look messy and untidy. Compare this page http://psupedia.info/Events to this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast the [Edit] text is on the far right, out of view of readers, and smaller in font size so it's non obtrusive, i've set up a wiki before and this is usually default, I don't know the history of this wiki or why you've changed this, but I just had to say something and I think it looks terrible / you should fix it.. --[[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]]
* Strange that someone with so much wiki experience doesn't know how to sign their comments. That aside, I agree with you that the text does look more intrusive than it should. I'm not aware at the moment of any quick fix for it though. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 09:50, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
** Setting up a wiki doesn't automagically imbue the person with the knowledge on how to sign their comments. Thanks for the troll, but anyway, trolls aside, it says below ([[User:Battlestar|Battlestar]] 10:03, 20 April 2008 (CDT)) I guess I just forgot, huh?
*** I think it's because we're using a different version of MediaWiki than WikiPedia is. It may not look great, but this isn't a big concern for us at the moment. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 10:42, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Enemy spawn chart section overhaul ===
I see, I see. [[User:EspioKaos/Sandbox/Enemy_spawn_charts|An overhaul]] has arrived for you! [/Tom Nook] The recent going-over of the spawn charts article made me get kind of back into wanting to finish up the conversion of the unconverted charts while getting a new style for the article set up. Basically, the new layout will give details on how to read the charts, what the notation means and then a list of missions (each link leading directly to the mission's spawn chart). With the "how to" section, I can't help but feel like I'm missing something, though. It might just be me, but if anyone notices something obvious that I omitted, please feel free to fill in the blanks. Otherwise, any suggestions? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:26, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
* Suggestions: Order rare monsters list alphabetically. The mission list could be made pretty [[Missions|like here]] maybe? Could be updated automatically if this pretty stuff was in some sort of template too. Looks good. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:40, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
** Alphabetized. :D Oh, just realized I forgot a few rare enemies. o: lol brb - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:55, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

=== April Fool's Day articles ===
Bravo on the April Fool's articles. I've gotten a good chortle out of the reactions from them! But, how long should we let this go on? I was planning on adding the backpacker girl April Fool's joke template thing to them later tonight, but I'm wondering if we might ought to do it earlier? A lot of people are acting pretty stupid over the whole thing, and the number of people who outright believe it baffles me. So, early intervention or let it go a little longer? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:37, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
* Let it go till tonight, then we can move them all to [[The_PSUPedia: April Fools]] (or something). If we have time, a [[B.O.R.D. Revolution]] article would be good too. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:45, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
** That'll work. I won't be home until pretty late tonight, so I can take care of it then if no one else has. If I get a chance (probably tomorrow at the earliest) I might see about getting a B.O.R.D. Revoltuion thing up, too. I was fairly amused by that when I saw it at Shougai yesterday. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:17, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

=== User pages edit protection ===
* What about [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserPageEditProtection this]? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 17:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Great idea. If I knew how, I'd go ahead and set it up, but my wiki experience goes about as far as page coding. >_> - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:35, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Say the word.... - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:28, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** The word. ;) Be my guest if you can get this one going. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:23, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Too late, I already did it. I'm going to hold off on BreadCrumbs until I have more time to understand exactly how it works. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

=== TP or Tech. ? ===
* In game it says "Tech.", on psupedia you've used TP (while using the correctly Att. and Acc. for other weapons). Can I fix that? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:15, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Ah, for the [[Rods|rods]] chart? Yeah, that should be "Tech." Any others you've noticed like that? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:20, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** About all the weapons page actually. Some are not converted to templates tho, so can convert at the same time. Needs mass edits and conversions. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:36, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Done the ones using templates. Still have to do:
**** Rod, Ulrod, Rayharod, Pumpkinhead, Slyrod, Hajirod, Tomoirod, Rodoc, Granarod, Mayrod, Granadoroc, Howrod, Halarod, Gaozoran Rod, Kazarod, Psycho Wand
**** C rank wands, B rank wands, Cometara, Lidra, Majimra, Magical Wand, Uransara, Tesbra
**** I suggest to do that while converting to templates, but if someone wanna do it without waiting, be my guest. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:58, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Already left you a note on your talk page, but just to reiterate: TP, please. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:00, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Aha, this seems like a better place to discuss it than that talk page. To summarise what's on there: Weapon and [[Line shields|line shield]] summary articles have long used the game's notation, hence the conflict. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:42, 29 March 2008 (CDT)
**** So, what is the official decision about this? I'm for using the in-game notation if you need my opinion. Also it should be added to the manual of style. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:00, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

===Minor Note Involving Spawn Charts===
* I've come across a lot of rare monster charts that have had different definitions of "spawn," in that some say "third spawn" when they mean practically the third room, and some mean it in the sense that it's the third group of monsters. Would it be possible to set a standard, and define it on the "Enemy Spawn Charts" page? [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 06:50, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** It means a "group of monster", which may or may not appear all at the same time, but will appear in the same room and if they don't appear at the same time, will appear because of the death of some monster in the group. If a group of monsters appear after you have cleared a room, it's not the same spawn, even if they appear in the same room (for example there's 3 spawns in lab recovery b3). Agree with putting a good definition somewhere tho. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 06:57, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
** Thanks for clearing it up, although I'm not entirely sure if all of the charts follow that standard. Sometimes "third spawn" is.. really confusing. I'll be running through a few of them in the meantime, though. Thanks for clarifying. :) [[User:Adryk|Addark]] 13:19, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's supposed to mean enemy spawn. If in one room you take out one group of enemies entirely and then another one shows up in the same room, that is a second spawn. There is (or was?) a notation guide for these spawn charts but I'm not sure if it defines "a spawn" or not. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 20:44, 29 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Reviving WhosOnline ===
* Sorry, I was just trying to get the WhosOnline extension to work again, after [[User:Tycho|I]] and consequently [[User:Mono|Mono]] started making proper user pages recently. I kinda want it back since the first time around it caused a wave of people spontaneously starting to make user pages because the wiki had suddenly become less anonymous. I wasn't able to get it to work though, since apparently compatibility with this MediaWiki version sucks. I failed when trying [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:MW:_Whos_Online_Extension#Who.27s_Online.2C_Mediawiki_1.9.x_not_working_.28Fixed.29 this], and step 1 from [http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/mediawiki-extension-whosonline/ this guide] is just beyond me. If there are any other staff members courageous enough to give this a try, please give it a shot. >_<; - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 05:15, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
** Psh, piece of cake. If I had FTP access I could get this working in a few minutes. Unfortunately, I'm not on staff, so... I guess I could try walking someone else through it. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:10, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
** I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:08, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

<pre>'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline></pre>

'''Users online:''' <whosonline></whosonline>

* A shame it's not uh...working? It shows me as online if I view the recent changes "difference" you just made, but not if I just view the page. And it doesn't display guests at all. >_> Oh and the only person with FTP access is Tycho and Qwerty, in case you wanted to know. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 13:12, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
** Works for me? Bleh, the instructions Tycho linked me to were fail, so I had to improvise a bit. Try adding the code to a different page and see what happens. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:25, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** Seems to be working fine for me, too, both here and on the front page. Though it's curious that no "guests" show up. I've got to get back to work, but I think I might play around with its placement on the front page later if I have time. (I'd like to go on an update the "latest missions" section with Friday's stuff, anyway.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:44, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It isn't working for me either. Depending on how I view the main page (either just looking at it or looking at the most recent change), I get a completely different list. Just viewing the page, I don't even show up. Anyway, Mewn and Miraglyth both also have FTP access, just for the record. I can give the details out to Espio and Bea through various private messaging routes, if they so desire. On a related note, that color scheme for the box looks absolutely horrid, and I'm not too fond of its placement on the page. I will probably mess with it here shortly. But yeah, it doesn't appear to be functioning properly. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 15:18, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
**** OK, it would appear that the online list only updates once an action is taken, such as logging in or making an edit, and even then apparently on a page-by-page basis. Also, a user remains active on the list for an hour. The time length I can change no problem, but I'm not sure if it's possible or if it even was intended to keep track of people just browsing the site. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:40, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
***** Hrm... there's got to be something that can be done to make it display guests and registered users in real time as opposed to edit-by-edit. I assume you've checked these, but I'll throw them out there anyway, just in case. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online MediaWiki Who's online extension article], [http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/MW:_Whos_Online_Extension Original extension at Check Mate]. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:42, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Upon further research there may be a glitch related to this wiki's version number that's causing some issues. I'm going to reinstall the extension and see if anything improves. If any of you have added this extension to any other pages you may want to remove it to prevent any nasty errors. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:52, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
**** As far as I'm aware, my FTP access is limited to a subspace. I doubt these changes require access to the messy innards of this place, but if they did I wouldn't have been able to help. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:18, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
* HUGE SUCCESS. Seems to be working (for the most part) now. I just added it back to the front page and noticed that the number of registered members changed on me between refreshes. Guests still don't show up for some reason, though. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:40, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
** Scratch that. Guests suddenly showed up. So... HUGE SUCCESS. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:43, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Awesome. thanks for getting that working, Sekani. Is it wrong that I laugh that we have more people viewing the 'Pedia than the entirety of Sega's forums? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:25, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
* Fuck yes, nice job. Sorry the pages I linked didn't provide much help on the subject, but it's about as much as I could find. Seeing the site activity is this decent is a pretty cool compliment. In any case, I'm hoping this'll make things more personal to participants. More people registering and making profiles plz. :> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 07:04, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
==== More Who's Online stuff ====
* Hmmm... is there any way to place this on the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] page? - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:54, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
** I'm sure there's some way, but I don't know how to access that page to make changes. I like the idea of having this there; but aside from that, there's a small mistake that was pointed out to me on the page. It says "below are the last 100 changes made in the last '''last''' 7 days." Last is typed twice for some reason. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 26 April 2008 (CDT)
*** Did some digging and found [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages this little gem.] Basically there's a PHP file that controls the output of that page, and we'll have to ''carefully'' change it. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 17:51, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Offline ===
OK you might have seen me doing some offline work [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]]. I'll explain my thoughts about it here.
* Break offline in "Episode 1" and "Episode 2". There's too much different things to make them the same section. Example: drops are fixed per enemy in ep1, and per level in ep2. Missions are totally differents. Might have some balancing done between the two, etc.
* Offline doesn't need a page per item/weapon/mission/whatever. People will mostly want to know where to get their stuff and how it works, but won't worry about the descriptions much. A page [[User:Essen/Sandbox/Crossbows_(Episode_1)|like this]] is enough, imho. Plus there isn't that much weapons/stuff anyway.
* No need for an offline.psupedia imho. As you can see [[User:Essen/Sandbox|in my sandbox]] there's about 30 pages for ep1, without counting the more generic pages like save marker, photon charger etc, which are most of the time valid for both online and offline. We just need to stick with this slick format and remove all the old pages and clean-up the online page from everything offline-related. Also if we have an offline.psupedia, where do the scripts for episode 2 go? They're about the same for online and offline.
* Add a template to each Ep1 pages indicating that this is info for Episode 1 and that it is offline, on the top of the page. Same with other offline games.
* Once Episode 1 is done we could:
** Add a category to the left menu, "story mode" with links to "Episode 1" and "Episode 2" for example. Can also put a link to [[Phantasy Star Portable]].
** Clean-up all the online pages from offline stuff.
** Deprecate (mark for deletion) all the offline pages available and remove them a while later instead of having tons of redirections about offline. Of course before that they'll become redirections.
** Start Episode 2 (yeah i probably will) using the same structure than for Episode 1
** Also use the same structure for PSP.
** Once that is done (or before) I'll probably proceed to clean-up other stuff on the wiki.
Comments, thoughts, suggestions? [[User:Essen|Essen]] 21:01, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* Very impressive work, Essen! It's greatly appreciated since our offline section (as near non-existent as it was) was in bad need of help. There are a few minor standardization things that should be taken care of (de-capitalization of subsection titles in a few spots is all I've seen), but I love the look. :D - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:34, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah I'm trying to stick to the manual of style but might forgot stuff ^^; I'll change that on the next edits and will check a last time before putting it live. Thanks for the comment [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:48, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Categories? ===
* I've been noticing lately the lack of categories for most pages. For example all the *_(Offline) pages are left alone without category. Same with the scripts, and various others. There is a [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 good bunch of categories] already, but a lot of pages [http://psupedia.info/index.php?title=Special:Uncategorizedpages&limit=500&offset=0 still haven't any]. I don't think I have to explain the benefits of doing this: easy navigation to pages with similar contents. Is there recommandations for categorization, and do you mind if I have fun categorizing when I happen to stumble on one of these numerous lost pages? Same sort of question with [http://psupedia.info/Special:Lonelypages orphaned pages]. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 22:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
** Go to town if you want :P First of all though, it might help to explain the blurred line that some categories would provide. For example, what separates [[Swords]] from [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] when the former should already provide a comprehensive list? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
*** It's mostly not needed for online items as long as they link back to the [[Swords]]-like page. Unfortunately that's not always the case. It's also possible to process everything with a script if you are using categories. For example, generating a list of drops for all the items by running through the category and its childrens. If you change the template for the items, there's only one change needed to the script. If you change the pretty page, 0 needed. Without category, you need to change the script each time you change any pretty page. (And I might do that for various reasons, not only for psutools but also for making reports on what's missing in psupedia for example.) Anyway right now I was more thinking of that poor [[Units (Offline)]] page that gets linked only from [[Units]]. Meaning if you search for infos about offline, you need to go through online pages first. And if you need something else about offline (like, a weapon), you need to go back through online. Also worth noting that for the scripts, for example, there isn't really a place in the page where you can add a link back to the index (except the bottom, like categories do). Finally, and that's probably the solution to the difference between category and pretty page: you can probably make the category redirect to the pretty page. That way all users will get redirected to the page you want, you'll get links at the bottom automatically, and automated scripts can still parse the categories by adding "&redirect=no" to the URLs. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 23:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT) (and sorry for the lengthy comment lol I wrote as I thought about it)
*** Most of that actually makes sense, heh. On the offline thing though: Once upon a time it was suggested that we try something like offline.psupedia.info to create a distinction between Network Mode and Story/Extra Mode. Nobody really responded to the idea, indicating a general lack of interest in offline modes. If one/some people took an interest to the offline modes then that'd be another idea on top of this, though the offline modes are a confusing mix themselves - Story Mode "v1" is different to Extra Mode "v1" is different to Story Mode AOTI. The latter two of course aren't even available to the 360. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:48, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Yep I remember when that suggestion popped up. I'm not really interested in offline, it's just I did ep1 again to remember the story and I needed ep1 informations. What I suggest is to separate Episode 1 and 2 since they don't work the same way for everything (like for drops, shops, etc). This would prevent some confusion if an item is in PSU and not in AoI for example. However I wouldn't advise in separating story from extra (it's only a few SUV different, and story missions not available), and don't think offline.psupedia would be good either, since stuff like NPC or scripts are not only for offline. Pics of items too. Finally, it's pretty easy to find everything in offline mode, and there's no need for editing once it's considered finished. I might try and get the complete list of drops for Ep1, wouldn't take too long since the drops don't depend on the enemy level. And clean up all this in 2 different categories, Ep1 and Ep2. Sounds like fun. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:00, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**** I've made an example of redirection of category on the [http://psupedia.info/Category:Swords Category:Swords] category. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:09, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***** I tried a similar category redirection a while back, for some reason it didn't go over well. Never bothered to ask why. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 This extension] could make categories much more useful. Also, please comment that old example I made on the sword category. I think the redirection paired with this extension could make for a much better navigation. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 09:39, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
** Originally, I was under the impression that categories should not redirect to an actual article as that seemed to defeat the purpose of a standalone category. However, I'm seeing now that it really would serve a great purpose, especially with something like this. I'd love to see how well this would work here, especially if if would make site navigation easier. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay A real life example of the extension] (see at bottom) [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**** Now that looks great! Clean, easy to read; it'd be perfect for us. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
***** This really does look cool, but apparently it requires a fairly rigid existing structure already in place. Most of the pages that aren't weapons or missions are somewhat unorganized, and I have to wonder how useful this extension would be in that context. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
****** Categorized categories and all of that, right? I figure if we spend some time getting things put in their proper categories, we can get that extension working very nicely. When I have more time, I'll look more into it to see just how rigid it needs to be. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:41, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*** [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_be_in_SVG_format Category containing images]: this would allow automatic creation of image galleries by just adding an image to one (or more) category. This might be more or less configurable, I didn't look seriously yet. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 19:04, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

=== Update section overhaul ===
We had a little discussion going on this a few months ago, but it kind of fizzled off. I'd like to get it going again since, as it's been noted on numerous occasions, our current updates section is getting ginormous. Jubei put together an example of one way to prettify our updates ([[User:JubeiSaotome/Sandbox/Updates]]) which I'm quite pleased with. However, one thing we didn't come to a decision on is how to break up individual pages. Should it be broken up by update, by month, by quarter, or what? Also, I'm thinking that maybe we don't need to document the exact time the servers go up and down. The up time changes constantly from what I've seen, and the 00:01:00 the official site gives doesn't seem to be accurate at all. (Actually, that looks like a default time for pretty much all announcements that go up on the main site, no matter what time it was posted.) Just stating the day the servers go back up should suffice. Anyway, let's discuss. I'd like to make some progress on this project so we can at least get new updates in this format. We can always save the conversion of older updates for later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:18, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Suggestion one: sort them by season (e.g. March to May = Spring 2008) Suggestion two: Newest updates go at the top of the page, not the bottom. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:10, 25 February 2008 (CST)
* Sorry for splitting this discussion up between a few different articles. <_<; Anyway, I've come up with a little prototype design for something like what I was envisioning for the new updates section. I haven't made a portal page for it, but you can view two of the sections [[Updates/February_2008|here]] and [[Updates/March_2008|here]]. Each article will contain the updates for its respective month, listed with the newest update the top, oldest at the bottom. At the very bottom of each article will be that little calendar thing to make navigating the updates section easier. I'd like to mess around with the calendar colors and stuff some more (I just copy-pasted the code of one of the front page tables to make these) and maybe play with the sizing to make it a tad bit smaller. But, I'll save that for later. So, questions, comments? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:27, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
* Agreed with all of the above, with the exception of the removal of update times. Things like 5-hour maintenances for large updates serve a limited amount of historic value, but more importantly, just using "the date" doesn't tell people much. The servers are PST and start maintenance one hour before midnight, so for everyone east of that (which is pretty much everyone, I'm sure) it would be one day out. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:14, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
** The down time is static. I think it's always been 11:00p.m. PST, so we don't need that with each update. A note on the main updates page stating that maintenance occurs each Friday starting at that time should suffice. If we decide to include the time when the servers come back online after a maintenance period, we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this. Whenever the servers come back up, the announcement on the front page always reads 12:01a.m., even if it's much later in the morning. Heh, even announcements posted mid-afternoon say they were posted one minute after midnight. XD Anyway, what I'm getting at is we'd need someone to stay on top of keeping accurate track of maintenance downtime each update. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:43, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
*** ''"we'll need some way of documenting an accurate uptime as the official site does not do this"'' - I did this back when I worked from home, but it's been nearly a year since I stopped :P board "SERVER IS UP" threads don't help either because you can never tell which is the first that was telling the truth :P either way, the first few months at least have accurate downtime records. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:05, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

=== Drop Templates ===
I keep seeing drop templates being given numbers (the latest I saw being [[Template:Dark Falz 90]]). Why do we include numbers? Why can't we just call it the monster name and add a parameter to it specifying levels? ie the [[Template:Dark Falz]] page I made. Simply use <nowiki>{{Dark Falz | lvl=90 }}</nowiki> to get the same result as <nowiki>{{Dark Falz 90}}</nowiki>. Or...is there a reason that I completely missed? So many extra pages (and database entries) being made that can minimized into single pages.. --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 17:46, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* I think Espio just likes doing extra work, makes him look important and keeps him from being bored at his job doing... whatever he does. Just kidding. Probably. On a more serious note, I think it's time to start actually archiving some of these discussions here. It took me almost a full minute to scroll all the way down the page to where this comment resides. -[[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 18:30, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Primarily, I think no one ever thought of it. To be honest though, I find that rather confusing, but I can see its worth. Oh, and Sekani, I agree. The problem is that the topics aren't ordered by date. New topics are supposed to go at the top, but that only seems to happen half the time. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:38, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Curses! You've got me, Sekani. XD
Seriously, though, a template like that is a very good idea, but considering how incredibly deep into use the current templates are, we'd be looking at creating a ridiculous amount of extra work for ourselves just to create the new templates and change all of the existing uses in articles and drop charts and what-not to the new style. Time like that would likely be best spent on more important matters around here. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)
* Well, let's just start using new kinds of templates from now on. Phasing out the old one can just be done like, one monster a day or something. It would be slow, but it'd get done eventually. :) --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 09:15, 19 February 2008 (CST)
** I'll be completely honest with you: I'd prefer we not. I appreciate the idea, but I'd much rather we stick with the current, established templates than have multiple styles about the site that mean extra clean up later. Again, the time that would be spent creating and implementing the new templates could be put to much better use with the numerous other projects about the site. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to avoid extra work for everyone. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 09:47, 19 February 2008 (CST)

=== Audio Files ===
Files with the extension MP3 or OGG cannot be uploaded; why is this? All of the currently available samples in the [[Jukebox discs]] section are really awful because of their encoding and there's no way to reasonably change them. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 10:20, 29 February 2008 (CST)
* I haven't enabled those file types yet. I may do so soon, if we decide to install an in-wiki audio-player extension. However, we do not intend to host the entire file for the jukebox disks, but rather only a low quality preview so that you know what you're getting before you buy the disc. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:18, 29 February 2008 (CST)
** Yes, I understand that these are meant to be samples but the ones that are currently available are poorly encoded. Also I don't understand why you would want an in-wiki media player when users can download the files and listen in their player of choice? [[User:DOS|DOS]] 21:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*** The "poor encoding" was intentional. The samples do what they were intended to do ("What does Disc 77 sound like?") while not running up unnecessary bandwidth bills. I honestly see nothing to be gained from using a high-bitrate sample. We're not here to cater to audiophiles or people looking for free music. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 22:50, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**** Maybe try encoding at 64Kbps? At least something that doesn't make listening to these files totally unpleasant. 32Kbps is way too low. I don't think this is an unreasonable increase; I wasn't planning on asking for lossless clips or anything. [[User:DOS|DOS]] 09:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** They sound fine to me. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 10:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)
***** 32Kbps hurts to listen to..to me at least. :( --[[User:Kietrinia|Kit]] 10:07, 1 March 2008 (CST)
****** Try turning the volume down then. Your ears will thank you. All jokes aside, the orchestrated clips in particular actually are pretty bad, so I'll try uploading them in a different format this weekend. WMA is the only other near-universal format I can think of, and it should provide some improvement in quality. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:00, 6 March 2008 (CST)
****** Just so you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been busy with actual work lately (had to recode an entire website almost from scratch), not to mention Audacity doesn't like exporting to WMA. Windows Media Encoder does the job, but the samples cut off abruptly instead of the short fadeout the current clips have. Still looking for a solution, suggestions welcome. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:14, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
******* Wanted to throw my 2p in here - I'd steer clear of WMA as it's not exactly a universal format, not least due to the fact it stands for 'Windows Media Audio'! I'd stick with MP3, 64kbps is plenty for this purpose and still results in small files - about 500k/minute, almost any media player can play it and you're not stuck with users who may have to download additional software to listen to the files. I'm just thinking from a usability point of view more than anything else. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 08:58, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******* Quick addendum - I've just gone looking for said audio files, all I can find is WMA and one 128k MP3. Clicking the links to WMA files opens Winamp (my default music player) for me, which then fails to play the file. This is one of the usability reasons I mentioned - all of a sudden, to listen to this file becomes too much faff. [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 09:06, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
******** Someone else had [[Talk:Jukebox discs#New Topic|the same issue]] a while back, and the problem actually lies with Winamp. Set Windows Media Player or Quicktime as your default handler for WMA files. If you're not willing to do that, just save the files to your hard drive before playing them. Unfortunately the wiki doesn't support the complex code needed for forced streaming. As far as compatibility goes, let's just say that I have ''never'' seen a system that was incapable of playing WMA files right out of the box. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 13:00, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********* Actually, Ubuntu out of the box can't. Mac OS X out of the box can't either. Windows can, sure, because it's a M$ format. That said the only format I would support and recommand is OGG, unless you go lossless (but not much point for these). [[User:Essen|Essen]] 13:39, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
********** What's OGG compatibility like, though? Again, I'm not sure that Windows Media Player is capable of playing that! If you want to stick with WMAs that's fine but I reckon a little note encouraging people to download the file rather than left-click it would be well-advised. There's a lot of people out there that are savvy enough to install a third-party media player but not savvy enough to figure out what's gone wrong when something doesn't work :) [[User:Strawdonkey|Strawdonkey]] 15:34, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

===XBOX Gamertag embeds===
The Microsoft XBOX site allows you to add your Gamertag Card to anything that accepts the code... I haven't figured it out how to get it to display on the PSUPedia pages (probably a coding issue) but anywhere else its something groovy to show off, and a nice easy link to see how the online gamer is acutally doing.
Just a thought.

Wolfmist
* Judging by your edit history, it appears to use some non-standard HTML tags. Unfortunately, a wiki only accepts tags for simple things such as bold, italics, etc. The best thing you'll be able to do is throw up a simple link. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 13:15, 2 March 2008 (CST)
** I already tried this a while ago when I first started messing around here. No dice. I don't think wikis are designed to accept dynamic content like Gamertag info. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 11:39, 6 March 2008 (CST)
***Yeah, thought as much. Thanks for the info though, I'll remember to keep stuff simple on here, lol. - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 06:39, 13 March 2008 (GMT)

===Giresta Article===
I tried to submit information about this Photon Art - why do people keep deleting/changing it?
Check the article's history, stuff I said was true, that Giresta does everything that Resta does, that the spell significantly transforms at around Level 15 (and I did say that I hadn't confirmed that fact) and a few other things. I suppose a few editorial comments wouldn't go amiss for every article edit, would it? Learn from mistakes and all that?

- Wolfmist
* Comments like yours don't belong in a proper article, especially since the information was erroneous (as with all techs, the only changes take place every 10 levels). Additionally, we have a standard format for articles such as [[Giresta]], and we would like to stick to it for all such articles. Finally, never sign an edit to an article, only for talk pages. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:15, 18 March 2008 (CDT)
** Comments like mine? Erroneous Information? Look, Qwerty, I send information with the best intentions. And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said, and fine, I may not be great at spelling or grammar, so fine edit those but please don't be insulting about it! If you have to be blunt then fine, but have you ever heard of taking your staff around a corner to talk rather than shouting out mistakes for all to hear? Jeeze, Lighten up! Oh, and besides, that particular article would never have recieved data if I hadn't brought attention to it. Same with a lot of other articles, actually, which could be interesting to read. Have you ever seen intriguing things happen in the game that have no explanations yet? I have, and I actually like to make the effort of attempting things myself if nothing's been done by anyone else... there I've had my beef and now I need a cookie, lol. --[[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 11:38, 19 March 2008 (GMT)
*** I removed the comments in question because, for reasons Qwerty stated(I don't think it was all too rude how he put it either). And for reasons that PSUP is supposed to be as unbiased as possible, and to say something like "Designed to replace Resta" is simply biased - Resta has the major plus of better range and quicker casting time, so it is simply an opinion and I felt had little place in the article. You put your things in better words after my edit, and Espio formatted it correctly, but the huge problem even without the opinionated remarks is the information that has no evidence for such as it "improving at 15" and "getting better range all the time". - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 22:09, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
*** On another note, "''And when I know I've made a statement which doesn't ring true, I add that I haven't confirmed what I said''" is not advised practise. The intent of this resource is to provide facts alone, leaving what is essentially speculation to the discussion pages. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 08:26, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

===New Expansion Release?===
There are rumors floating around that a new version (like AOTI) will soon be released... What whispers have you lot heard? Spill the beans if its true! - [[User:Wolfmist|Wolfmist]] 03:56, 26 March 2008 (GMT).
* No one has heard anything. For the time being, it's all (meaningless and silly) speculation. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:29, 25 March 2008 (CDT)
* These rumours are, if anything, probably based on the upcoming PSP game [[Phantasy Star Portable]]. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 09:38, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Shops

2008-05-15T23:15:33Z

Sekani: /* G.R.M. Shop */ Spell check is useless.

Shops in PSU are places where you can buy various items, including [[Weapons]], [[Armors]], [[Units]], [[Consumables]], [[Photon Art]] Disks, and [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials|Materials]] with the game's currency, [[Meseta]]. You can also sell items you do not need, however in general, the selling rate is very low - see [[Meseta#Meseta Values|Meseta Values]] for more information.

In Story and Extra Mode the variety of items available is currently larger than in Network Mode, this is largely because you are intended to find and/or create through [[Item Synthesis]] many of the items available in Network Mode. However, it can be assumed that the inventories of Shops in Network Mode will grow as more content is unlocked and made available.

== The Shops in Phantasy Star Universe ==
There are a variety of different shops in Phantasy Star Universe, each dealing with different items and accessories.

=== Manufacturer Shops ===
Each of the three main Item Manufacturers - [[G.R.M.]], [[Yohmei]] and [[TENORA WORKS]] have their own shops on their home planets. These larger shopping areas each contain a number of smaller shops, generally selling the products of the manufacturer. The shops that can be found inside a Manufacturer Shop are:

* Weapons Shop - selling Weapons made by that manufacturer (represented by Weapons).
* Armor Shop - selling Armors made by that manufacturer (represented by clothing or Armors).
* Units Shop - selling Units made by that manufacturer (represented by cylinders with coloured parts at each end).
* Grinding Counter - where you grind Weapons made by that manufacturer.
* Disk Shop - selling Photon Art Disks (represented by circular Disks).
* Item Shop - selling various consumable items (represented by shelves containing miscellaneous items).

[[Image:GRMshop.jpg|thumb|right|The GRM Shop]]
==== G.R.M. Shop ====
The G.R.M. Shop can be found in the ''West Area'' of Holtes City on [[Parum]], past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores and the entrance to the [[AMF]] Base. Items made by GRM are sold here.

* [[G.R.M. Shop]]

* [[GRM Shop Listing (Offline)|G.R.M. Shop (Offline)]].

[[Image:Youmeishop.jpg|thumb|right|The Yohmei Shop]]

==== Yohmei Shop ====
The Yohmei Shop can be found opposite the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores in Ohtoku City, on [[Neudaiz]]. Items made by Yohmei are sold here.

* [[Yohmei Shop]]

[[Image:Tenorashop.jpg|thumb|right|The Tenora Works Shop]]
==== TENORA WORKS ====
The TENORA WORKS shop can be found on the left side of Dagora City on [[Moatoob]] (relative to the direction you face after entering the city), past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores. Items made by Tenora Works are sold here.

* [[TENORA WORKS shop]]

== Other Shops ==
Aside from the Manufacturer Shops described above, each planet has three other shops - a Synthesis Shop, a Clothes Shop, and a Parts Shop (for [[Cast]] Parts). These can generally be found together on the three planets. However the Synthesis Shop is seperate from the other two shops on the [[Guardians' Colony]].

=== Synthesis Shops ===
[[Image:MoatoobSynthShop.jpg|thumb|right|MA-GRMS shop on Moatoob]]
Synthesis Shops are where [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials]] can be bought. In addition to generic goods available anywhere, each Synthesis Shop sells products from their planet or 'native' Manufacturer. For example, the Parum Synthesis Shop will sell items such as [[Par Wood]] and [[G.R.M.]] products.

Synthesis Shops are recognizable by their purple signs and symbol. Their official name is '''[[MA-GRMS]]'''.

The Synthesis Shop can be found on 2F of the [[Guardians' Colony]], seperated from the Clothes and Parts Shops, unlike on the three planets.

See:
* [[MA-GRMS: Holtes]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Ohtoku]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Clyez]]
 
* [[Guardians' Colony Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)|MA-GRMS: Clyez (Offline)]]

=== Clothes Shops ===
[[Image:NeudaizClothesShop.jpg|thumb|right|Clothes Shop on Neudaiz]]
Clothes Shops are where [[Clothes]] for non-[[CAST]] characters can be previewed and purchased.
When entering a clothing shop, you have the option to browse both male and female clothing inventories. Female shop options are located on the left hand side and accessed by talking to the retailer - male options are located to the right. If you browse clothing opposite of your character's gender, you will have to preview the shop's inventory using a default mannequin that's opposite of your character's gender.

Clothes Shops are recognizable by their red signs and symbol.

The Clothes Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Parts Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Parts Shops on the three planets.

Although the clothing shop on the Guardian's Colony provides all sets of purchasable clothing, shops located on planets will usually provide more colour options for the clothes they carry, as opposed to the Guardian's Colony, which provides limited colour options for each piece of apparel.

See:
* [[CUBIC DESIGN]]
* [[MIYA-B]]
* [[ROAR ROARS]]
* [[G's Mode]]

=== Parts Shops ===
[[Image:ParumPartsShop.jpg|thumb|right|Parts Shop on Parum]]
Parts Shops are similar to Clothes Shops, but they sell [[Parts]] only for [[CAST]] characters. Like with the clothes shop, you must speak with the clerk who matches your gender if you wish to buy or try on Parts for your character! If you speak to the opposite gender, or are not a CAST, you will only be able to try on clothes on a generic character.

Parts Shops are recognizable by their blue signs and symbol.

The Parts Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Clothes Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Clothes Shops on the three planets.

See:
* [[GRM: SHELL]]
* [[Yohmeisou]]
* [[TENORA Build]]
* [[G's STYLE]]

== Guardians' Colony Shops ==
The Guardians Colony does not have a manufacturer shop (as there is no manufacturer 'native' to the Colony). So Shops are found on 2F and 3F of the Colony.

=== Weapons Shop ===
Sells basic Weapons from all three manufacturers. Photon Arts are also available from here. The Weapon Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its orange sign.

* [[GRD-AS]]

=== Armor Shop ===
Sells Armor and Units from all three manufacturers. The Guards Shop can be found on 2F, past the Weapons Shop and near an elevator. It is recognizable by a light blue sign.

* [[GRD-GS]]

=== Junk Shop ===
The Junk Shop is where you grind [[Kubara]] Weapons, as Kubara does not have a Manufacturer Shop. For more information see [[Grinding]]. The Junk Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Guards Shop. It is recognizable by its yellow sign.

=== Item Shop ===
The Item Shop sells various consumable items and [[Traps]]. The Item Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Variety Shop, and next to the Weapons Shop. It is recognizable by its green sign.

* [[GRD-DS]]

=== Variety Shop ===
The Variety Shop sells [[Room Goods]] (and online, [[Reform Tickets]] as well). The Variety Shop can be found on 2F next to the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its light green sign.

* [[Variety Shop]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Variety Shop Listing (Offline)|Variety Shop (Offline)]].

=== Lumilass ===
Lumilass sells Accessories and can be used to alter the appearance of your character, similar to the ''Dressing Room'' from Phantasy Star Online. It can be found on 3F next to the Clothes Shop, recognizable by a purple sign.

=== Empty Shop or Event Space ===
On 3F next to the club there is another door. When you go near it, it will say 'Tenant wanted'. It is thought that this will be used in the future to site a new shop, event, or maybe a mission. This was also shown in Offline mode.

{{Locations}}

MA-GRMS

2008-05-15T23:10:49Z

Sekani:

MA-GRMS, a division of the G.R.M. Company, specializes in the sale of synthesis materials and boards. Based out of [[Holtes City]], three other branches of this shop are spread across the Gurhal System.

==MA-GRMS locations==
* [[MA-GRMS: Clyez]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Holtes]]
* MA-GRMS: Ohtoku
* MA-GRMS: Dagora

[[Category: Shops]]

G.R.M. Shop

2008-05-14T21:30:26Z

Sekani: New page: Currently the largest shop in the Gurhal System, the G.R.M. Shop is located in the G.R.M. Headquarters in the West District of Holtes City. Their selection of weapons and armor is ...

Currently the largest shop in the Gurhal System, the G.R.M. Shop is located in the [[G.R.M.]] Headquarters in the West District of [[Holtes City]]. Their selection of weapons and armor is unmatched, and some weapon types (such as [[TCSMs]]) can only be purchased here. This is also the only manufacturer shop that sells [[SUV]] units and [[Photon Art]] discs. The grind counter in the back can be used to upgrade G.R.M.-branded weapons.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Armor
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Lightline]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Perpaline]] || 2★ || {{fire}} 21% || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Brandline]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2400
|-
| [[Stellaline]] || 3★ || {{lightning}} 20% || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Busterline]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Megaline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Zeetline]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigaline]] || 5★ || {{fire}} 26% || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Cresline]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 45000
|-
| [[Teroline]] || 6★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Midiline]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 95000
|-
| [[Hardline]] || 7★ || {{fire}} 31% || align="right" | 210000
|-
| [[Solid Line]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 360000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Units
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Cara / Force]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Cara / Mind]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Hel / Force]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Hel / Mind]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Sta / Force]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sta / Mind]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Gi / Magic]] || 5★ || align="right" | 19000
|-
| [[Car / Power]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Power]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Hit]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Hit S]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Knight]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Mega / Power]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tero / Hit]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Car / Guard]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Car / Legs]] || 1★ || align="right" | 400
|-
| [[Perpa / Guard]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Perpa / Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Stella / Guard]] || 4★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Stella / Legs]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Mega / Wall]] || 4★ || align="right" | 14500
|-
| [[Mega / Rainbow]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Tero / Guard]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 26000
|-
| [[Mega / Stamina]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Hegel Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Rafal Buster]] || 4★ || align="right" | 2500
|-
| [[Blitz Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Grom Buster]] || 5★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Sturm Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Meteor Buster]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Gigas Espada]] || 6★ || align="right" | 7000
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]] || 6★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Me / HP Restore]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Hegel Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Rafal Attacker]] || 7★ || align="right" | 64000
|-
| [[Blitz Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Grom Attacker]] || 8★ || align="right" | 88000
|-
| [[Meteor Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 100000
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]] || 9★ || align="right" | 120000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price

|-
| [[Sword]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gigush]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 20% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Breaker]] || 3★ || {{ground}} 20% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Claymore]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Calibur]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 25% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Ascalon]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Hanzo]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Jogiri]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Knuckles]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Fists]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Brass Knuckles]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Wire Gloves]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Rivet Gloves]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Graters]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Spear]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Pike]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Lance]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Partizan]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Halbert]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Berdys]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Double Saber]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Bone Dance]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Brand]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Dual Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Slasher]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 22% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Durandal]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Death Dancer]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Sharp Twins]] || 8★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Dagger]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Knife]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 23% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Twin Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Last Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Dual Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Saber]] || 1★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Brand]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Buster]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Pallasch]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Durandal]] || 5★ || {{ice}} 26% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falchion]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Jitseen]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Rapier]] || 8★ || {{ice}} 29% || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Dagger]] || 1★ || {{ice}} 24% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Knife]] || 2★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Stinger]] || 3★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Sucker]] || 4★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Ripper]] || 5★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Survivor]] || 6★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Rapid Stream]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Weapons
! Item !! Rarity !! Element !! Price
|-
| [[Rifle]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Sniper]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Blaster]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Shooter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Vullseye]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Falcon]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Assasin]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Burst]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Longbow]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Arrow Shooter]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Tiller Look]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Bow Genshi]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Lumars]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Izlucre]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Blanc Grenade]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Laser Cannon]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Maser Cannon]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Twin Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Twin Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Twin Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Twin Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Dual Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Dual Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Bulletmaster]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Evil Twins]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Handgun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Powergun]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Autogun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lockgun]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Beatgun]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Railgun]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beamgun]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Raygun]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Card Fante]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Machinegun]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Assault]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Greasegun]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Repeater]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gatling]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Vulcan]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Beam Vulcan]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Yasminakov 0002]] || 8★ || -- || align="right" | 165000
|-
| [[Duke]] || 1★ || {{fire}} 18% || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Giduke]] || 2★ || {{ice}} 21% || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Raduke]] || 3★ || {{light}} 23% || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Giraduke]] || 4★ || {{lightning}} 25% || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Goraduke]] || 5★ || {{ground}} 27% || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogaduke]] || 6★ || {{dark}} 30% || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Yactdike]] || 7★ || {{neutral}} || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[GRM Rod]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Helixen]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Luciel]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Strega]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Marguisa]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Viedima]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Wand]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Staff]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Baton]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Scepter]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Cane]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Crozier]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Prest]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|-
| [[Pit]] || 1★ || -- || align="right" | 350
|-
| [[Gipit]] || 2★ || -- || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Rapit]] || 3★ || -- || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Girapit]] || 4★ || -- || align="right" | 8600
|-
| [[Gorapit]] || 5★ || -- || align="right" | 18500
|-
| [[Rogapit]] || 6★ || -- || align="right" | 35000
|-
| [[Pegi]] || 7★ || -- || align="right" | 90000
|}
</td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ '''Items'''
! Item !! Rarity !! Price !! Item max
|-
| [[Monomate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Dimate]] || 2★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Trimate]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Star Atomizer]] || 6★ || align="right" | 1500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Antimate]] || 1★ || align="right" | 100 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Sol Atomizer]] || 4★ || align="right" | 250 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Moon Atomizer]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Scape Doll]] || 8★ || align="right" | 5000 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Agtaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Defbaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Retaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Zodiaride]] || 3★ || align="right" | 150 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Megistaride]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 20
|-
| [[Photon Charge]] || 3★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap]] || 1★ || align="right" | 50 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Burn Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 75 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Poison Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 70 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Confusion Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Sleep Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Virus Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 80 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Shock Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Silence Trap]] || 2★ || align="right" | 60 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Damage Trap G]] || 4★ || align="right" | 300 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 450 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Freeze Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Poison Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 400 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Confusion Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Sleep Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Virus Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 500 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Shock Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Silence Trap G]] || 5★ || align="right" | 350 || align="right" | 5
|-
| [[Burn Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Freeze Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|-
| [[Stun Trap EX]] || 9★ || align="right" | 600 || align="right" | 10
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Spinning Break]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Tornado Break]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Danga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bogga Zubba]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Dus Daggas]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Dus Robado]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Spiral Dance]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Gravity Dance]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Redda]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Anga Dugrega]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Assault Crush]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Rising Crush]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Moubu Seiren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Renkai Buyou-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Bukuu Rensen-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Renzan Seidan-ga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 36000
|-
| [[Gravity Strike]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Rising Strike]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Buten Shuren-zan]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]] || 4★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Visshi Grudda]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Chikki Kyoren-jin]] || 1★ || align="right" | 2000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Burning Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Shot]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Shot]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Barada Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Barada Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Boma Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Boma Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Frozen Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Plasma Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Grav Prism]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Rising Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Dark Prism]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Twin Burn]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Freeze]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Plasma]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Grav]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Twin Rising]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Twin Dark]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Burning Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Hit]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Hit]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Banga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Riga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Inga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yak Yoga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Yak Megiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Burning Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Frozen Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Plasma Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Grav Fury]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Rising Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Dark Fury]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Discs
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Ensei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Reisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Raisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Jisei-sou]] || 1★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Yousei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Insei-sou]] || 4★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Ensei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Reisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Raisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Jisei-shiki]] || 1★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Yousei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Insei-shiki]] || 4★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Foie]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rafoie]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damfoie]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gifoie]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Shifta]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Jellen]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Barta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Rabarta]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Dambarta]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gibarta]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Deband]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zalure]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Zonde]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Razonde]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Gizonde]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Zodial]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Zoldeel]] || 6★ || align="right" | 6000
|-
| [[Diga]] || 1★ || align="right" | 500
|-
| [[Radiga]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Damdiga]] || 3★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Gidiga]] || 4★ || align="right" | 12000
|-
| [[Resta]] || 1★ || align="right" | 800
|-
| [[Reverser]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Retier]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Ramegid]] || 2★ || align="right" | 4500
|-
| [[Dammegid]] || 3★ || align="right" | 6000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

Serafi-senba

2008-05-14T19:13:16Z

Sekani: /* Stats, synthesis, etc. */ ???

{{AotI Only}}
''Super-high end line shield custom made by the Rietanaka studio.'' 
{{10 stars}}

==Item details==
* This line shield has a [[Set bonuses|set bonus]] with [[Dagger of Serafi]].

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS stats
|Rarity= 10
|Ver.= AOTI
|Mfr.= Y
|Def.= 180
|Eva.= 205
|Ment.= 130
|End.= 0
|Req.= 75
|Att.= 20
|Acc.= 0
|Tech.= 20}}
||
{{LS synth
|Rarity= 10
|Photon=
|Mfr.= Y
|Extra mat.=
|Extra qty.=
|Board= [B] Serafi-senba}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Line shield
|Buy=
|Sell= 112000
|Shop=
|[B] buy=
|[B] sell= 8250
|[B] shop=
}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{LS slot info
|Head= o
|Arm= o
|Body= o
|Extra= o}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Line shield
|Source= Alterazgohg
|Level= 80+
|Type= Board}}
|}
|}
Note: When attempting to synth a neutral-element version of this armor, the success rate on a pure armor PM is 91%.
[[Category:Line shields]]

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-14T18:05:28Z

Sekani: /* Neutral synth rates */

The re-PSUPedia:Raffon Field Base

2008-05-14T18:00:42Z

Sekani: /* Audio Files */

CUBIC DESIGN

2008-05-12T22:25:44Z

Sekani: New page: Located in the West District of Holtes City, this store sells clothes under the CUBIC MODE, CUBIC GIRL, and CUBIC STAR labels. <table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <...

Located in the West District of [[Holtes City]], this store sells [[clothes]] under the CUBIC MODE, CUBIC GIRL, and CUBIC STAR labels.
<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ CUBIC DESIGN - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Braves Jacket (female clothes)|Braves Jacket]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Guardless Jacket]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Phanis Tunic]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Pritia One-piece]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Smartia Shirt]] || 8★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Storia Jacket]] || 7★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Braves Shorts]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Guardless Pants]] || 5★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Phanis Pants]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Pritia Shorts]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Storia Bottoms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Braves Short Boots]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1500
|-
| [[Guardless Short Boots]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Phanis Shoes]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Pritia Short Boots]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Storia Shoes (female clothes)|Storia Shoes]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Maydi Shoes]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Maydi Suit]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Smartia Bottoms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ CUBIC DESIGN - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Braves Jacket (male clothes)|Braves Jacket]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Innocent Jacket]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Speeders Jersey]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Braves Coat]] || 7★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Nobles Long Coat]] || 9★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Goshkaria Top]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Storia Vest]] || 7★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Braves ST Pants]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Innocent Slacks]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Speeders Shorts]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Braves Pants]] || 7★ || align="right" | 32000
|-
| [[Goshkaria Pants]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Storia Pants]] || 7★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Braves Sneakers]] || 5★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Innocent Shoes]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Speeders Shoes]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Braves Sneakers]] || 5★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Goshkaria Shoes]] || 10★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Storia Shoes (male clothes)|Storia Shoes]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Nobles Bottoms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 40000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

Shops

2008-05-12T21:44:02Z

Sekani:

Shops in PSU are places where you can buy various items, including [[Weapons]], [[Armors]], [[Units]], [[Consumables]], [[Photon Art]] Disks, and [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials|Materials]] with the game's currency, [[Meseta]]. You can also sell items you do not need, however in general, the selling rate is very low - see [[Meseta#Meseta Values|Meseta Values]] for more information.

In Story and Extra Mode the variety of items available is currently larger than in Network Mode, this is largely because you are intended to find and/or create through [[Item Synthesis]] many of the items available in Network Mode. However, it can be assumed that the inventories of Shops in Network Mode will grow as more content is unlocked and made available.

== The Shops in Phantasy Star Universe ==
There are a variety of different shops in Phantasy Star Universe, each dealing with different items and accessories.

=== Manufacturer Shops ===
Each of the three main Item Manufacturers - [[G.R.M.]], [[Yohmei]] and [[TENORA WORKS]] have their own shops on their home planets. These larger shopping areas each contain a number of smaller shops, generally selling the products of the manufacturer. The shops that can be found inside a Manufacturer Shop are:

* Weapons Shop - selling Weapons made by that manufacturer (represented by Weapons).
* Armor Shop - selling Armors made by that manufacturer (represented by clothing or Armors).
* Units Shop - selling Units made by that manufacturer (represented by cylinders with coloured parts at each end).
* Grinding Counter - where you grind Weapons made by that manufacturer.
* Disk Shop - selling Photon Art Disks (represented by circular Disks).
* Item Shop - selling various consumable items (represented by shelves containing miscellaneous items).

[[Image:GRMshop.jpg|thumb|right|The GRM Shop]]
==== G.R.M. Shop ====
The G.R.M. Shop can be found in the ''West Area'' of Hotels City on [[Parum]], past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores and the entrance to the [[AMF]] Base. Items made by GRM are sold here.

* [[G.R.M. Shop]]

* [[GRM Shop Listing (Offline)|G.R.M. Shop (Offline)]].

[[Image:Youmeishop.jpg|thumb|right|The Yohmei Shop]]
==== Yohmei Shop ====
The Yohmei Shop can be found opposite the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores in Ohtoku City, on [[Neudaiz]]. Items made by Yohmei are sold here.

* [[Yohmei Shop]]

[[Image:Tenorashop.jpg|thumb|right|The Tenora Works Shop]]
==== TENORA WORKS ====
The TENORA WORKS shop can be found on the left side of Dagora City on [[Moatoob]] (relative to the direction you face after entering the city), past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores. Items made by Tenora Works are sold here.

* [[TENORA WORKS shop]]

== Other Shops ==
Aside from the Manufacturer Shops described above, each planet has three other shops - a Synthesis Shop, a Clothes Shop, and a Parts Shop (for [[Cast]] Parts). These can generally be found together on the three planets. However the Synthesis Shop is seperate from the other two shops on the [[Guardians' Colony]].

=== Synthesis Shops ===
[[Image:MoatoobSynthShop.jpg|thumb|right|MA-GRMS shop on Moatoob]]
Synthesis Shops are where [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials]] can be bought. In addition to generic goods available anywhere, each Synthesis Shop sells products from their planet or 'native' Manufacturer. For example, the Parum Synthesis Shop will sell items such as [[Par Wood]] and [[G.R.M.]] products.

Synthesis Shops are recognizable by their purple signs and symbol. Their official name is '''[[MA-GRMS]]'''.

The Synthesis Shop can be found on 2F of the [[Guardians' Colony]], seperated from the Clothes and Parts Shops, unlike on the three planets.

See:
* [[MA-GRMS: Holtes]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Ohtoku]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]
* [[MA-GRMS: Clyez]]
 
* [[Guardians' Colony Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)|MA-GRMS: Clyez (Offline)]]

=== Clothes Shops ===
[[Image:NeudaizClothesShop.jpg|thumb|right|Clothes Shop on Neudaiz]]
Clothes Shops are where [[Clothes]] for non-[[CAST]] characters can be previewed and purchased.
When entering a clothing shop, you have the option to browse both male and female clothing inventories. Female shop options are located on the left hand side and accessed by talking to the retailer - male options are located to the right. If you browse clothing opposite of your character's gender, you will have to preview the shop's inventory using a default mannequin that's opposite of your character's gender.

Clothes Shops are recognizable by their red signs and symbol.

The Clothes Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Parts Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Parts Shops on the three planets.

Although the clothing shop on the Guardian's Colony provides all sets of purchasable clothing, shops located on planets will usually provide more colour options for the clothes they carry, as opposed to the Guardian's Colony, which provides limited colour options for each piece of apparel.

See:
* [[CUBIC DESIGN]]
* [[MIYA-B]]
* [[ROAR ROARS]]
* [[G's Mode]]

=== Parts Shops ===
[[Image:ParumPartsShop.jpg|thumb|right|Parts Shop on Parum]]
Parts Shops are similar to Clothes Shops, but they sell [[Parts]] only for [[CAST]] characters. Like with the clothes shop, you must speak with the clerk who matches your gender if you wish to buy or try on Parts for your character! If you speak to the opposite gender, or are not a CAST, you will only be able to try on clothes on a generic character.

Parts Shops are recognizable by their blue signs and symbol.

The Parts Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Clothes Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Clothes Shops on the three planets.

See:
* [[GRM: SHELL]]
* [[Yohmeisou]]
* [[TENORA Build]]
* [[G's STYLE]]

== Guardians' Colony Shops ==
The Guardians Colony does not have a manufacturer shop (as there is no manufacturer 'native' to the Colony). So Shops are found on 2F and 3F of the Colony.

=== Weapons Shop ===
Sells basic Weapons from all three manufacturers. Photon Arts are also available from here. The Weapon Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its orange sign.

* [[GRD-AS]]

=== Armor Shop ===
Sells Armor and Units from all three manufacturers. The Guards Shop can be found on 2F, past the Weapons Shop and near an elevator. It is recognizable by a light blue sign.

* [[GRD-GS]]

=== Junk Shop ===
The Junk Shop is where you grind [[Kubara]] Weapons, as Kubara does not have a Manufacturer Shop. For more information see [[Grinding]]. The Junk Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Guards Shop. It is recognizable by its yellow sign.

=== Item Shop ===
The Item Shop sells various consumable items and [[Traps]]. The Item Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Variety Shop, and next to the Weapons Shop. It is recognizable by its green sign.

* [[GRD-DS]]

=== Variety Shop ===
The Variety Shop sells [[Room Goods]] (and online, [[Reform Tickets]] as well). The Variety Shop can be found on 2F next to the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its light green sign.

* [[Variety Shop]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Variety Shop Listing (Offline)|Variety Shop (Offline)]].

=== Lumilass ===
Lumilass sells Accessories and can be used to alter the appearance of your character, similar to the ''Dressing Room'' from Phantasy Star Online. It can be found on 3F next to the Clothes Shop, recognizable by a purple sign.

=== Empty Shop or Event Space ===
On 3F next to the club there is another door. When you go near it, it will say 'Tenant wanted'. It is thought that this will be used in the future to site a new shop, event, or maybe a mission. This was also shown in Offline mode.

{{Locations}}

Shops

2008-05-12T21:26:25Z

Sekani: /* Parts Shops */ Need someone to delete old pages

Shops in PSU are places where you can buy various items, including [[Weapons]], [[Armors]], [[Units]], [[Consumables]], [[Photon Art]] Disks, and [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials|Materials]] with the game's currency, [[Meseta]]. You can also sell items you do not need, however in general, the selling rate is very low - see [[Meseta#Meseta Values|Meseta Values]] for more information.

In Story and Extra Mode the variety of items available is currently larger than in Network Mode, this is largely because you are intended to find and/or create through [[Item Synthesis]] many of the items available in Network Mode. However, it can be assumed that the inventories of Shops in Network Mode will grow as more content is unlocked and made available.

== The Shops in Phantasy Star Universe ==
There are a variety of different shops in Phantasy Star Universe, each dealing with different items and accessories.

=== Manufacturer Shops ===
Each of the three main Item Manufacturers - [[GRM]], [[Yohmei]] and [[Tenora Works]] have their own shops on their home planets. These larger shopping areas each contain a number of smaller shops, generally selling the products of the manufacturer. The shops that can be found inside a Manufacturer Shop are:

* Weapons Shop - selling Weapons made by that manufacturer (represented by Weapons).
* Armor Shop - selling Armors made by that manufacturer (represented by clothing or Armors).
* Units Shop - selling Units made by that manufacturer (represented by cylinders with coloured parts at each end).
* Grinding Counter - where you grind Weapons made by that manufacturer.
* Disk Shop - selling Photon Art Disks (represented by circular Disks).
* Item Shop - selling various consumable items (represented by shelves containing miscellaneous items).

[[Image:GRMshop.jpg|thumb|right|The GRM Shop]]
==== GRM Shop ====
The GRM Shop can be found in the ''West Area'' of Hotels City on [[Parum]], past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores and the entrance to the [[AMF]] Base. Items made by GRM are sold here.

* [[GRM Shop Listing]]

* [[GRM Shop Listing (Offline)]].

[[Image:Youmeishop.jpg|thumb|right|The Yohmei Shop]]
==== Yohmei Shop ====
The Yohmei Shop can be found opposite the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores in Ohtoku City, on [[Neudaiz]]. Items made by Yohmei are sold here.

* [[Yohmei Shop Listing]]

* [[Yohmei Shop Listing (Offline)]].

[[Image:Tenorashop.jpg|thumb|right|The Tenora Works Shop]]
==== Tenora Works Shop ====
The Tenora Works shop can be found on the left side of Dagora City on [[Moatoob]] (relative to the direction you face after entering the city), past the Synthesis, Clothes and Parts stores. Items made by Tenora Works are sold here.

* [[Tenora Works Shop Listing]]

* [[Tenora Works Shop Listing (Offline)]].

== Other Shops ==
Aside from the Manufacturer Shops described above, each planet has three other shops - a Synthesis Shop, a Clothes Shop, and a Parts Shop (for [[Cast]] Parts). These can generally be found together on the three planets. However the Synthesis Shop is seperate from the other two shops on the [[Guardians' Colony]].

=== Synthesis Shops ===
[[Image:MoatoobSynthShop.jpg|thumb|right|MA-GRMS shop on Moatoob]]
Synthesis Shops are where [[Synthesis Boards]] and [[Synthesis Materials]] can be bought. In addition to generic goods available anywhere, each Synthesis Shop sells products from their planet or 'native' Manufacturer. For example, the Parum Synthesis Shop will sell items such as [[Par Wood]] and [[GRM]] products.

Synthesis Shops are recognizable by their purple signs and symbol. Their official name is '''MA-GRMS'''.

The Synthesis Shop can be found on 2F of the [[Guardians' Colony]], seperated from the Clothes and Parts Shops, unlike on the three planets.

See:
* [[Parum Synthesis Shop Listing]]
* [[Neudaiz Synthesis Shop Listing]]
* [[Moatoob Synthesis Shop Listing]]
* [[Guardians' Colony Synthesis Shop Listing]]

* [[Parum Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Neudaiz Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Moatoob Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Guardians' Colony Synthesis Shop Listing (Offline)]]

=== Clothes Shops ===
[[Image:NeudaizClothesShop.jpg|thumb|right|Clothes Shop on Neudaiz]]
Clothes Shops are where [[Clothes]] for non-[[CAST]] characters can be previewed and purchased.
When entering a clothing shop, you have the option to browse both male and female clothing inventories. Female shop options are located on the left hand side and accessed by talking to the retailer - male options are located to the right. If you browse clothing opposite of your character's gender, you will have to preview the shop's inventory using a default mannequin that's opposite of your character's gender.

Clothes Shops are recognizable by their red signs and symbol.

The Clothes Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Parts Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Parts Shops on the three planets.

Although the clothing shop on the Guardian's Colony provides all sets of purchasable clothing, shops located on planets will usually provide more colour options for the clothes they carry, as opposed to the Guardian's Colony, which provides limited colour options for each piece of apparel.

See:
* [[Parum Clothes Shop Listing]]
* [[Neudaiz Clothes Shop Listing]]
* [[Moatoob Clothes Shop Listing]]
* [[Guardians' Colony Clothes Shop Listing]]

* [[Parum Clothes Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Neudaiz Clothes Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Moatoob Clothes Shop Listing (Offline)]]
* [[Guardians' Colony Clothes Shop Listing (Offline)]]

=== Parts Shops ===
[[Image:ParumPartsShop.jpg|thumb|right|Parts Shop on Parum]]
Parts Shops are similar to Clothes Shops, but they sell [[Parts]] only for [[CAST]] characters. Like with the clothes shop, you must speak with the clerk who matches your gender if you wish to buy or try on Parts for your character! If you speak to the opposite gender, or are not a CAST, you will only be able to try on clothes on a generic character.

Parts Shops are recognizable by their blue signs and symbol.

The Parts Shop can be found on 3F of the [[Guardians' Colony]] - next to the Clothes Shop - as well as together with the Synthesis and Clothes Shops on the three planets.

See:
* [[GRM: SHELL]]
* [[Yohmeisou]]
* [[TENORA Build]]
* [[G's STYLE]]

* [[GRM: SHELL (Offline)]]
* [[Yohmeisou (Offline)]]
* [[TENORA Build (Offline)]]
* [[G's STYLE (Offline)]]

== Guardians' Colony Shops ==
The Guardians Colony does not have a manufacturer shop (as there is no manufacturer 'native' to the Colony). So Shops are found on 2F and 3F of the Colony.

=== Weapons Shop ===
Sells basic Weapons from all three manufacturers. Photon Arts are also available from here. The Weapon Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its orange sign.

* [[Guardians' Colony Weapons Shop Listing]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Weapons Shop Listing (Offline)]].

=== Armor Shop ===
Sells Armor and Units from all three manufacturers. The Guards Shop can be found on 2F, past the Weapons Shop and near an elevator. It is recognizable by a light blue sign.

* [[Guardians' Colony Armor Shop Listing]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Armor Shop Listing (Offline)]].

=== Junk Shop ===
The Junk Shop is where you grind [[Kubara]] Weapons, as Kubara does not have a Manufacturer Shop. For more information see [[Grinding]]. The Junk Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Guards Shop. It is recognizable by its yellow sign.

=== Item Shop ===
The Item Shop sells various consumable items and [[Traps]]. The Item Shop can be found on 2F, opposite the Variety Shop, and next to the Weapons Shop. It is recognizable by its green sign.

* [[Guardians' Colony Item Shop Listing]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Item Shop Listing (Offline)]].

=== Variety Shop ===
The Variety Shop sells [[Room Goods]] (and online, [[Reform Tickets]] as well). The Variety Shop can be found on 2F next to the Synthesis Shop. It is recognizable by its light green sign.

* [[Guardians' Colony Variety Shop Listing]]

* [[Guardians' Colony Variety Shop Listing (Offline)]].

=== Lumilass ===
Lumilass (エステ) sells Accessories and can be used to alter the appearance of your character, similar to the ''Dressing Room'' from Phantasy Star Online. It can be found on 3F next to the Clothes Shop, recognizable by a purple sign.

=== Empty Shop or Event Space ===
On 3F next to the club there is another door. When you go near it, it will say 'Tenant wanted'. It is thought that this will be used in the future to site a new shop, event, or maybe a mission. This was also shown in Offline mode.

{{Locations}}

Yohmeisou

2008-05-12T21:20:59Z

Sekani: New page: Located in Ohtoku City, this shop sells parts for customizing CAST characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and though they have differ...

Located in [[Ohtoku City]], this shop sells [[parts]] for customizing [[CAST]] characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and though they have different names the inventory is identical.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[RAcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[HUcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] CV || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Regular Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[One-piece Swimwear]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (female parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[HUcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[RAcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000

|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-

| [[Revsys Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Men's Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (male parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

TENORA Build

2008-05-12T21:19:38Z

Sekani: New page: Located to the left upon entering Dagora City, this shop sells parts for customizing CAST characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and ...

Located to the left upon entering [[Dagora City]], this shop sells [[parts]] for customizing [[CAST]] characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and though they have different names the inventory is identical.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[RAcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[HUcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] CV || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Regular Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[One-piece Swimwear]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (female parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[HUcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[RAcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000

|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-

| [[Revsys Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Men's Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (male parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

GRM: SHELL

2008-05-12T21:18:02Z

Sekani: New page: Located in the West District of Holtes City, this shop sells parts for customizing CAST characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and th...

Located in the West District of [[Holtes City]], this shop sells [[parts]] for customizing [[CAST]] characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and though they have different names the inventory is identical.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[RAcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[HUcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] CV || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Regular Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[One-piece Swimwear]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (female parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[HUcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[RAcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000

|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-

| [[Revsys Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Men's Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (male parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

G's STYLE

2008-05-12T21:15:13Z

Sekani: New page: Located on the third floor of Clyez City, this shop sells parts for customizing CAST characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and thoug...

Located on the third floor of [[Clyez City]], this shop sells [[parts]] for customizing [[CAST]] characters. There are three other shops in the game that sell CAST parts as well, and though they have different names the inventory is identical.

<table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="top"><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Female
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[RAcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[HUcase Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Elaciel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Redmiel Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Digiel Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Agriel Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Amorel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Epicarel Arms]] CV || 4★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Valatines Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Bacolone Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Lucaral Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Jenkel Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Redmiel Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Digiel Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Agriel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Amorel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Epicarel Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[RAcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[HUcase Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Elaciel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Batrelle Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 7500
|-
| [[Redmiel Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Digiel Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Agriel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Gimnael Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Amorel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Epicarel Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Valatines Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Bacolone Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Lucaral Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Jenkel Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Regular Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[One-piece Swimwear]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (female parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td><td>
{| class="wikitable"
|+ G's STYLE - Male
! Item !! Rarity !! Price
|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[HUcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[RAcas Arms]] || 10★ || align="right" | 20000

|-
| [[Revsys Arms]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Boktos Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 13500
|-
| [[Raptus Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Arms]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 9000
|-
| [[Lobas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Hounds Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Gimnas Arms]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Arms]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Apollos Arms]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 2000
|-
| [[Musagante Arms]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[Subaraga Arms]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 4000
|-

| [[Revsys Torso]] || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Torso]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Torso]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Boktos Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Raptus Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Torso]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 20000
|-
| [[Lobas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 60000
|-
| [[Hounds Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 50000
|-
| [[Gimnas Torso]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Torso]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Torso]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Torso]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Torso]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[HUcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[RAcas Legs]] || 10★ || align="right" | 40000
|-
| [[Revsys Legs]] CV || 5★ || align="right" | 25000
|-
| [[Boktos Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 18000
|-
| [[Raptus Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Vilogis Legs]] CV || 6★ || align="right" | 12500
|-
| [[Lobas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Evors Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Hounds Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 30000
|-
| [[Gimnas Legs]] CV || 2★ || align="right" | 1000
|-
| [[Granadas Legs]] CV || 10★ || align="right" | 15000
|-
| [[Apollos Legs]] CV || 7★ || align="right" | 4000
|-
| [[Musagante Legs]] CV || 9★ || align="right" | 10000
|-
| [[Subarga Legs]] CV || 8★ || align="right" | 8000
|-
| [[Men's Swimwear]] || 6★ || align="right" | 5000
|-
| [[CAS-yukata (male parts)|CAS-yukata]] || 9★ || align="right" | 5000
|}
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Category: Shops]]

EX Device

2008-05-12T16:45:24Z

Sekani: New page: __NOTOC__{{Clean-up}}{{AotI Only}} EX Devices are used to further evolve a Partner machine into various forms that have differing combat abilities. Once an EX Device is purchased from ...

__NOTOC__{{Clean-up}}{{AotI Only}}
EX Devices are used to further evolve a [[Partner machine]] into various forms that have differing combat abilities. Once an EX Device is purchased from the Clyez City [[Variety Shop]], they can be used by feeding them to your Partner machine just like any other item.

The two main requirements for using a particular EX Device are
* The Partner machine must be evolved to level 80 or higher, and have given you its partner card.
* The Partner machine must have a sufficiently high [[B St]]. This attribute can be raised by completing missions with your partner machine. The higher grade you get for completing the mission, the more the B St increases.

EX Devices should not be confused with [[PM Device]]s, whose requirements are based on your PM's model number but are independent of B St.

EX Devices do not affect [[Item synthesis|synthing]] attributes or abilities in any way. It is possible with an EX Device to obtain a very wide variety of combat models without sacrificing "pure" synthing ability.

== Exisiting EX Devices ==
=== Normal models ===
* EX Device [[GH 410|GH410]]
* EX Device [[GH 411|GH411]]
* EX Device [[GH 412|GH412]]
* EX Device [[GH 413|GH413]]
* EX Device [[GH 414|GH414]]
* EX Device [[GH 420|GH420]]
* EX Device [[GH 421|GH421]]
* EX Device [[GH 422|GH422]]
* EX Device [[GH 423|GH423]]
* EX Device [[GH 424|GH424]]
* EX Device [[GH 430|GH430]]
* EX Device [[GH 431|GH431]]
* EX Device [[GH 432|GH432]]
* EX Device [[GH 433|GH433]]
* EX Device [[GH 434|GH434]]
* EX Device [[GH 440|GH440]]
* EX Device [[GH 441|GH441]]
* EX Device [[GH 442|GH442]]
* EX Device [[GH 443|GH443]]
* EX Device [[GH 444|GH444]]
* EX Device [[GH 450|GH450]]
* EX Device [[GH 451|GH451]]
* EX Device [[GH 452|GH452]]
* EX Device [[GH 453|GH453]]
* EX Device [[GH 454|GH454]]

=== Special models ===
* EX Device [[GH 461|GH461]]
* EX Device [[GH 465|GH465]]
* EX Device [[GH 470|GH470]]
* EX Device [[GH 480|GH480]]
* EX Device [[GH 490|GH490]]

PM Device

2008-05-12T16:31:17Z

Sekani:

__NOTOC__{{Clean-up}}
PM Devices are used to further evolve a [[Partner machine]] into various forms that have differing combat abilities. Once a PM Device is purchased from the Clyez City [[Variety Shop]], they can be used by feeding them to your Partner machine just like any other item.

The two main requirements for using a particular PM Device are
* The Partner machine must be level 80 or higher.
* The PM Device used must be of the same series as the Partner machine it is being used on. For example, a PM Device GH4'''11''' can be used on a GH-4'''10''' or a GH-4'''12''', but not on a GH-4'''20''' or GH-4'''50'''.

PM Devices should not be confused with [[EX Device]]s, whose requirements are based on your PM's [[B St]] and offer other evolutions not obtainable via PM Devices.

PM Devices do not affect [[Item synthesis|synthing]] attributes or abilities in any way. The exception is the special [[PM Device ZERO]], which resets your Partner machine to level 1 along with all of its attributes and abilities.

== Available PM Devices ==
=== GH 410 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 410|GH410]]
* PM Device [[GH 411|GH411]]
* PM Device [[GH 412|GH412]]
* PM Device [[GH 413|GH413]]
* PM Device [[GH 414|GH414]]
=== GH 420 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 420|GH420]]
* PM Device [[GH 421|GH421]]
* PM Device [[GH 422|GH422]]
* PM Device [[GH 423|GH423]]
* PM Device [[GH 424|GH424]]
=== GH 430 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 430|GH430]]
* PM Device [[GH 431|GH431]]
* PM Device [[GH 432|GH432]]
* PM Device [[GH 433|GH433]]
* PM Device [[GH 434|GH434]]
=== GH 440 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 440|GH440]]
* PM Device [[GH 441|GH441]]
* PM Device [[GH 442|GH442]]
* PM Device [[GH 443|GH443]]
* PM Device [[GH 444|GH444]]
=== GH 450 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 450|GH450]]
* PM Device [[GH 451|GH451]]
* PM Device [[GH 452|GH452]]
* PM Device [[GH 453|GH453]]
* PM Device [[GH 454|GH454]]

PM Device

2008-05-12T16:30:47Z

Sekani: New page: {{Clean-up}} PM Devices are used to further evolve a Partner machine into various forms that have differing combat abilities. Once a PM Device is purchased from the Clyez City [[Variet...

{{Clean-up}}
PM Devices are used to further evolve a [[Partner machine]] into various forms that have differing combat abilities. Once a PM Device is purchased from the Clyez City [[Variety Shop]], they can be used by feeding them to your Partner machine just like any other item.

The two main requirements for using a particular PM Device are
* The Partner machine must be level 80 or higher.
* The PM Device used must be of the same series as the Partner machine it is being used on. For example, a PM Device GH4'''11''' can be used on a GH-4'''10''' or a GH-4'''12''', but not on a GH-4'''20''' or GH-4'''50'''.

PM Devices should not be confused with [[EX Device]]s, whose requirements are based on your PM's [[B St]] and offer other evolutions not obtainable via PM Devices.

PM Devices do not affect [[Item synthesis|synthing]] attributes or abilities in any way. The exception is the special [[PM Device ZERO]], which resets your Partner machine to level 1 along with all of its attributes and abilities.

== Available PM Devices ==
=== GH 410 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 410|GH410]]
* PM Device [[GH 411|GH411]]
* PM Device [[GH 412|GH412]]
* PM Device [[GH 413|GH413]]
* PM Device [[GH 414|GH414]]
=== GH 420 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 420|GH420]]
* PM Device [[GH 421|GH421]]
* PM Device [[GH 422|GH422]]
* PM Device [[GH 423|GH423]]
* PM Device [[GH 424|GH424]]
=== GH 430 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 430|GH430]]
* PM Device [[GH 431|GH431]]
* PM Device [[GH 432|GH432]]
* PM Device [[GH 433|GH433]]
* PM Device [[GH 434|GH434]]
=== GH 440 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 440|GH440]]
* PM Device [[GH 441|GH441]]
* PM Device [[GH 442|GH442]]
* PM Device [[GH 443|GH443]]
* PM Device [[GH 444|GH444]]
=== GH 450 Series ===
* PM Device [[GH 450|GH450]]
* PM Device [[GH 451|GH451]]
* PM Device [[GH 452|GH452]]
* PM Device [[GH 453|GH453]]
* PM Device [[GH 454|GH454]]

User:Sekani

2008-05-12T01:52:54Z

Sekani:

[http://live.xbox.com/member/Sekani Xbox Live profile - Gamertag: Sekani]

== Sekani-02 ==
[[image:Sek-001.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"Hurry up and die, I got church in the morning"''

'''Info:''' Male [[CAST]] Level 130 
'''Class:''' [[Fighgunner]] Level 20 / [[Fortefighter]] Level 10 / [[Guntecher]] Level 6 
'''Partner Machine:''' Melbourne GH-454 (70 striking, 30 TECH) 
'''Yes:''' [[Relic Edge]] 
'''No:''' [[Relic Edge]] prices 
'''Special:''' [[Hit the Counter!]] at 7,850,000 kills

{|
|-

| 
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || [[Caliburn]] - {{light}} 22%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Spear icon}} || [[Mugungri]] - {{ground}} 22%
|-
| [[Muktrand]] - {{light}} 26% - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Double saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crea Doubles]] - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Raikasobra]] - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Twin saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Two-Headed Ragnuc]] - {{ice}} 38% - {{dark}} 26%
|-
| [[ Heavy Twins ]] - {{ground}} 26% - {{light}} 24% - {{dark}} 20% - {{lightning}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Two-headed Ragnus]] - {{fire}} 30%
|-
| [[T. Durandal Replica]] - {{lightning}} 16%
|-
| [[Twin DB Swords]] - {{ice}} 14%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin dagger icon}} || [[Lumiess Blau]] - {{light}} 28% - {{ice}} 36% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Dark Strauss]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Gizaha-zashi]] - {{dark}} 18% - {{lightning}} 14%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| [[DB's Sword]] - {{ice}} 37%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Biso]] - 4/9
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Hyper Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Twin Ruby Bullet]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Crossbow icon}} || [[Yurasogic]] - 5/10
|-
| [[Cubo Mamba]] - 5/9
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Machinegun icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefevic]] - 0/8
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefever]] - 0/10
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || [[Yactdike]] - {{dark}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Dunga]] - {{dark}} 30%
|-
| [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Delette Line]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Storm Line]] - {{lightning}} 46% - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| [[Ganna Line]] - {{fire}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=8 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Freeze / Resist]]
|-
| [[Mega / Power]]
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]]
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]]
|-
| [[Grom Attacker]]
|-
| [[Giga/Bullet PP Save]]
|-
| [[Legsless / Rainbow]]
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Paradi Cataract]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || Gravity Break - 2 Tornado Break - 1
|-
| {{Spear icon}} || Dus Daggas - 28 Dus Majarra - 37 Dus Robado - 16
|-
| {{Double saber icon}} || Spiral Dance - 35 Tornado Dance - 20 Gravity Dance - 29 Absolute Dance - 0
|-
| {{Twin saber icon}} || Splendor Crush - 26 Assault Crush - 26 Rising Crush - 34 Cross Hurricane - 14
|-
| {{Twin dagger icon}} || Moubu Seiren-zan - 25 Renga Chujin-shou - 14 Renkai Buyou-zan - 30 Hishou Jinren-zan - 28
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Rising Strike - 17
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 20 Twin Freeze - 20 Twin Plasma - 17 Twin Grav - 15 Twin Rising - 23 Twin Dark - 20
|-
| {{Crossbow icon}} || Yak Riga - 1 Yak Inga - 24 Yak Yoga - 11
|-
| {{Machinegun icon}} || Frozen Fury - 13 Rising Fury - 9
|}


|}

== Lenelle ==
[[image:Len-002.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"CALL ME QUEEN!"''

'''Info:''' Female [[human]] Level 108 
'''Class:''' [[Wartecher]] Level 15 / [[Acrotecher]] Level 17 / [[Acrofighter]] Level 11 / [[Fortetecher]] Level 3 
'''Partner Machine:''' Sydney GH-442 (99 armor) 
'''Yes:''' [[Pushan]] 
'''No:''' Leveling support [[TECHNICs]] 

{|
|-

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Gudda Skela]] - {{ice}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Twin claw icon}} || [[Ran-Misaki]] - {{fire}} 30% - {{dark}} 38% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Fuka-Misaki]] - {{ice}} 26%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Saber icon}} || [[Durandal Replica]] - {{dark}} 20% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Masamunera]] - {{ground}} 28% - {{lightning}} 36% - {{ice}} 32% - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| [[Bouquet]] - {{lightning}} 50%
|-
| [[DB's Sword]] - {{ice}} 37%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Dagger icon}} || [[Dark Straal]] - {{ice}} 26% - {{light}} 26%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Deva-zashi]] - {{dark}} 16%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Halp Serafi]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Claw icon}} || [[Zaks Bogoda]] - {{lightning}} 22%
|-
| [[Zaks Gabot]] - {{dark}} 32% - {{ground}} 46% - {{ice}} 32% - {{light}} 34% - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Whip icon}} || [[Vish]] - {{lightning}} 28% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Vishic]] - {{light}} 30%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Vish Adac]] - {{light}} 26% - {{dark}} 34% - {{lightning}} 24%
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || [[Fuma-hiken]] - {{dark}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Longbow icon}} || [[Ulteri]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Izlucre]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Boa]] - 0/9
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Handgun icon}} || [[Real Hand Gun]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Varista]] - 2/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || [[Card Regas]] - 4/10
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Wand icon}} || [[Magical Wand]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Uransara]] - 3/8
|-
| [[Serdote]] - 4/6
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Ebrozike]] - {{ground}} 14% - {{ground}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=4 | {{TCSM icon}} || [[Pegic]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Shato]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Pegita]] - 4/9
|-
| [[Dori]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 25%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa-senba]] - {{fire}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Serafi-senba]] - {{dark}} 34%
|-
| [[Sori-senba]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[De Colte Line]] - {{neutral}}
|-
| rowspan=8 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Sori / TECH Charge]]
|-
| [[Solid / Knight]]
|-
| [[Garment Aura]]
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]]
|-
| [[Te / PP Generate]]
|-
| [[Rappy Mode]]
|-
| [[Sleep / Resist]]
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa / Force]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || Bogga Danga - 3 Bogga Zubba - 5 Bogga Robado - 9
|-
| {{Twin claw icon}} || Renzan Seidan-ga - 21
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Gravity Strike - 22 Spinning Strike - 19 Rising Strike - 21
|-
| {{Dagger icon}} || Buten Shuren-zan - 25 Hikai Shuha-zan - 20 Shunbu Shouren-zan - 13
|-
| {{Claw icon}} || Senten Kanzan-ga - 11 Bukuu Saien-zan - 18
|-
| {{Whip icon}} || Visshi Grudda - 23 Vivi Danga - 20
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || Chikki Kyoren-jin - 12
|-
| {{Longbow icon}} || Reisei-sou - 12 Raisei-sou - 12
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 1 Twin Freeze - 3 Twin Plasma - 1 Twin Grav - 3
|-
| {{Handgun icon}} || Burning Hit - 7 Frozen Hit - 10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || Ensei-shiki - 9 Reisei-shiki - 20 Raisei-shiki - 13
|-
| {{TCSM icon}} || Shifta - 21 Jellen - 11 Deband - 12 Zalure - 11 Zodial - 16 Zoldeel - 1 Resta - 22 Reverser - 20 Retier - 14 Giresta - 13 Megistar - 1
|-
| {{Wand icon}} || Foie - 18 Gifoie - 13 Rabarta - 4 Dambarta - 13 Gibarta - 13 Diga - 18 Gidiga - 8 Razonde - 7 Gizonde - 8
|}

|}

Holy light

2008-05-11T17:09:45Z

Sekani: Redirecting to Photon Fortune

#REDIRECT: [[Photon Fortune]]

Photon Fortune

2008-05-11T17:07:29Z

Sekani: terminology

{| align="right"
|-
|   || style="color:grey"| 0     || ☆☆☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck1.gif]] || style="background:#FFFFCC; color:#FF9900"| 1 || ★☆☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck2.gif]] || style="background:yellow; color:#FF6600"|2 || ★★☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck3.gif]] || style="background:#FFCC00; color:red"|3 || ★★★
|}

<center>''This page is about Photon Fortune, the daily changing stat that causes stars to appear near a character's name. For the [[Types|Type]]-based hidden stat that literally means 'luck' and only affects the critical hit rate, please refer to [[CHR]]. ''</center>

Photon Fortune, also called ''Holy Light'' and popularly just referred to as ''Luck'' (originating from fan translations), is an attribute through which randomized events and processes in the game are modified. Every day at 12:00 AM ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B9 JST] for the Japanese servers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Standard_Time_Zone PST] for the and English and Xbox 360 ones), each of the eight possible race/gender combinations is assigned a value from zero to three (0 to 3), where zero is the most unlucky and three is the luckiest; these assignments are the same each day for all servers. Luck appears next to the character name, as seen in the images to the right.

[[Partner machines]] have the same Luck as female [[CAST]] characters, but currently this isn't of any use.

It is possible to change your Photon Fortune for a period of time at the [[shrine maiden]] located in the [[Shitenkaku]] lobby on [[Neudaiz]].

== Effects of Photon Fortune ==
* Slightly increases success rate when grinding weapons.
* Increases enemy drop rate.
 
Although many of these are still widely believed by the general playerbase, '''none''' of the following are affected by Photon Fortune:
* Quality of drops
* Chance for super-rare items (such as S-rank weapon boards) to drop
* Item drops from boss boxes
* Synthing success rate or attribute percentage
* Rare spawn appearance rate
* [[Casino Voloyal]] slot machine odds



== External Links ==

* [http://p.netgamers.jp/pf/ Photon Fortune Absence Log] (J)
* [http://domo2.net/search/search.cgi?word=%C0%B1%CE%EE%B1%BF 2ch search for '星霊運'] (J)
* [http://dachura.xii.jp/xii/psu/psu_luck.htm Photon Fortune Log] (J)

{{Gameplay}}

Photon Fortune

2008-05-11T17:01:36Z

Sekani: Updated to prevent further stupidity.

{| align="right"
|-
|   || style="color:grey"| 0     || ☆☆☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck1.gif]] || style="background:#FFFFCC; color:#FF9900"| 1 || ★☆☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck2.gif]] || style="background:yellow; color:#FF6600"|2 || ★★☆
|-
| [[Image:Luck3.gif]] || style="background:#FFCC00; color:red"|3 || ★★★
|}

<center>''This page is about Photon Fortune, the daily changing stat that causes stars to appear near a character's name. For the [[Types|Type]]-based hidden stat that literally means 'luck' and only affects the critical hit rate, please refer to [[CHR]]. ''</center>

Photon Fortune, also called ''Holy Light'' and popularly just referred to as ''Luck'' (originating from fan translations), is an attribute through which randomized events and processes in the game are modified. Every day at 12:00 AM ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B9 JST] for the Japanese servers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Standard_Time_Zone PST] for the and English and Xbox 360 ones), each of the eight possible race/gender combinations is assigned a value from zero to three (0 to 3), where zero is the most unlucky and three is the luckiest; these assignments are the same each day for all servers. Luck appears next to the character name, as seen in the images to the right.

[[Partner machines]] have the same Luck as female [[CAST]] characters, but currently this isn't of any use.

It is possible to change your Photon Fortune once a day for a small fee at the fortune teller located in the [[Shitenkaku]] lobby on [[Neudaiz]].

== Effects of Photon Fortune ==
* Slightly increases success rate when grinding weapons.
* Increases enemy drop rate.
 
Although many of these are still widely believed by the general playerbase, '''none''' of the following are affected by Photon Fortune:
* Quality of drops
* Chance for super-rare items (such as S-rank weapon boards) to drop
* Item drops from boss boxes
* Synthing success rate or attribute percentage
* Rare spawn appearance rate
* [[Casino Voloyal]] slot machine odds



== External Links ==

* [http://p.netgamers.jp/pf/ Photon Fortune Absence Log] (J)
* [http://domo2.net/search/search.cgi?word=%C0%B1%CE%EE%B1%BF 2ch search for '星霊運'] (J)
* [http://dachura.xii.jp/xii/psu/psu_luck.htm Photon Fortune Log] (J)

{{Gameplay}}

User:Sekani

2008-05-11T15:39:06Z

Sekani:

[http://live.xbox.com/member/Sekani Xbox Live profile - Gamertag: Sekani]

== Sekani-02 ==
[[image:Sek-001.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"Hurry up and die, I got church in the morning"''

'''Info:''' Male [[CAST]] Level 130 
'''Class:''' [[Fighgunner]] Level 20 / [[Fortefighter]] Level 10 / [[Guntecher]] Level 6 
'''Partner Machine:''' Melbourne GH-454 (70 striking, 30 TECH) 
'''Yes:''' [[Paradi Cataract]] 
'''No:''' [[Relic Edge]] prices 
'''Special:''' [[Hit the Counter!]] at 7,850,000 kills

{|
|-

| 
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || [[Caliburn]] - {{light}} 22%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Spear icon}} || [[Mugungri]] - {{ground}} 22%
|-
| [[Muktrand]] - {{light}} 26% - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Double saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crea Doubles]] - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Raikasobra]] - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=4 | {{Twin saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Two-Headed Ragnuc]] - {{ice}} 38% - {{dark}} 26%
|-
| [[ Heavy Twins ]] - {{ground}} 26% - {{light}} 24% - {{dark}} 20% - {{lightning}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Two-headed Ragnus]] - {{fire}} 30%
|-
| [[T. Durandal Replica]] - {{lightning}} 16%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin dagger icon}} || [[Lumiess Blau]] - {{light}} 28% - {{ice}} 36% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Dark Strauss]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Gizaha-zashi]] - {{dark}} 18% - {{lightning}} 14%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| [[DB Sword]] - {{ice}} 37%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Biso]] - 4/9
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Hyper Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Twin Ruby Bullet]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Crossbow icon}} || [[Yurasogic]] - 5/10
|-
| [[Cubo Mamba]] - 5/9
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Machinegun icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefevic]] - 0/8
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefever]] - 0/10
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || [[Yactdike]] - {{dark}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Dunga]] - {{dark}} 30%
|-
| [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Delette Line]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Storm Line]] - {{lightning}} 46% - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| [[Ganna Line]] - {{fire}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=7 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Freeze / Resist]]
|-
| [[Mega / Power]]
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]]
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]]
|-
| [[Poison / Resist]]
|-
| [[Giga/Bullet PP Save]]
|-
| [[Legsless / Rainbow]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || Gravity Break - 2 Tornado Break - 1
|-
| {{Spear icon}} || Dus Daggas - 28 Dus Majarra - 37 Dus Robado - 16
|-
| {{Double saber icon}} || Spiral Dance - 35 Tornado Dance - 20 Gravity Dance - 29 Absolute Dance - 0
|-
| {{Twin saber icon}} || Splendor Crush - 26 Assault Crush - 26 Rising Crush - 34 Cross Hurricane - 14
|-
| {{Twin dagger icon}} || Moubu Seiren-zan - 25 Renga Chujin-shou - 14 Renkai Buyou-zan - 30 Hishou Jinren-zan - 28
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Rising Strike - 17
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 20 Twin Freeze - 20 Twin Plasma - 17 Twin Grav - 15 Twin Rising - 23 Twin Dark - 20
|-
| {{Crossbow icon}} || Yak Riga - 1 Yak Inga - 24 Yak Yoga - 11
|-
| {{Machinegun icon}} || Frozen Fury - 13 Rising Fury - 9
|}


|}

== Lenelle ==
[[image:Len-002.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"CALL ME QUEEN!"''

'''Info:''' Female [[human]] Level 106 
'''Class:''' [[Wartecher]] Level 15 / [[Acrotecher]] Level 16 / [[Acrofighter]] Level 11 / [[Fortetecher]] Level 3 
'''Partner Machine:''' Sydney GH-442 (99 armor) 
'''Yes:''' [[Pushan]] 
'''No:''' Leveling support [[TECHNICs]] 

{|
|-

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Gudda Skela]] - {{ice}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Twin claw icon}} || [[Ran-Misaki]] - {{fire}} 30% - {{dark}} 38% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Fuka-Misaki]] - {{ice}} 26%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Saber icon}} || [[Durandal Replica]] - {{dark}} 20% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Masamunera]] - {{ground}} 28% - {{lightning}} 36% - {{ice}} 32% - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| [[Bouquet]] - {{lightning}} 50%
|-
| [[DB's Sword]] - {{ice}} 37%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Dagger icon}} || [[Dark Straal]] - {{ice}} 26% - {{light}} 26%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Deva-zashi]] - {{dark}} 16%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Halp Serafi]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Claw icon}} || [[Zaks Bogoda]] - {{lightning}} 22%
|-
| [[Zaks Gabot]] - {{dark}} 32% - {{ground}} 46% - {{ice}} 32% - {{light}} 34% - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Whip icon}} || [[Vish]] - {{lightning}} 28% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Vishic]] - {{light}} 30%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Vish Adac]] - {{light}} 26% - {{dark}} 34% - {{lightning}} 24%
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || [[Fuma-hiken]] - {{dark}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Longbow icon}} || [[Ulteri]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Izlucre]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Boa]] - 0/9
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Handgun icon}} || [[Real Hand Gun]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Varista]] - 2/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || [[Card Regas]] - 4/10
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Wand icon}} || [[Magical Wand]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Uransara]] - 3/8
|-
| [[Serdote]] - 4/6
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Ebrozike]] - {{ground}} 14% - {{ground}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=4 | {{TCSM icon}} || [[Pegic]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Shato]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Pegita]] - 4/9
|-
| [[Dori]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 25%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa-senba]] - {{fire}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Serafi-senba]] - {{dark}} 34%
|-
| [[Sori-senba]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[De Colte Line]] - {{neutral}}
|-
| rowspan=8 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Sori / TECH Charge]]
|-
| [[Solid / Knight]]
|-
| [[Garment Aura]]
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]]
|-
| [[Te / PP Generate]]
|-
| [[Rappy Mode]]
|-
| [[Sleep / Resist]]
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa / Force]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || Bogga Danga - 3 Bogga Zubba - 5 Bogga Robado - 9
|-
| {{Twin claw icon}} || Renzan Seidan-ga - 21
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Gravity Strike - 22 Spinning Strike - 19 Rising Strike - 21
|-
| {{Dagger icon}} || Buten Shuren-zan - 25 Hikai Shuha-zan - 20 Shunbu Shouren-zan - 13
|-
| {{Claw icon}} || Senten Kanzan-ga - 11 Bukuu Saien-zan - 18
|-
| {{Whip icon}} || Visshi Grudda - 23 Vivi Danga - 20
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || Chikki Kyoren-jin - 12
|-
| {{Longbow icon}} || Reisei-sou - 12 Raisei-sou - 12
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 1 Twin Freeze - 3 Twin Plasma - 1 Twin Grav - 3
|-
| {{Handgun icon}} || Burning Hit - 7 Frozen Hit - 10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || Ensei-shiki - 9 Reisei-shiki - 20 Raisei-shiki - 13
|-
| {{TCSM icon}} || Shifta - 21 Jellen - 11 Deband - 12 Zalure - 11 Zodial - 16 Zoldeel - 1 Resta - 22 Reverser - 20 Retier - 14 Giresta - 13 Megistar - 1
|-
| {{Wand icon}} || Foie - 18 Gifoie - 13 Rabarta - 4 Dambarta - 13 Gibarta - 13 Diga - 18 Gidiga - 8 Razonde - 6 Gizonde - 8
|}

|}

Program DF

2008-05-10T23:03:44Z

Sekani:

__NOTOC__{{MAG mission}} {{Mission infobox
|Mission name= Program DF
|Mission image= [[Image:Clyez_mission.png|center]]
|Planet= Colony
|Start lobby= Clyez City: 5th Floor
|Start counter= Bonus Counter
|End lobby= Clyez City: 5th Floor
|Version= Ambition of the Illuminus
|Field= Virtual Space
|Mission type= Event mission
|Party= 1-4 players
|Enemy elements= {{Dark}}
}}''The secret of Rykros has been revealed. But it's a sub-species of SEED we've never seen before. Battle it and see for yourself!'' 
''Client: Tomrain'' 

== Mission requirements and rewards ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | LV !! rowspan="2" | Req. LV !! rowspan="2" | Enemy LV !! colspan="2" | Rank S !! colspan="2" | Rank A !! colspan="2" | Rank B !! colspan="2" | Rank C
|-
! Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points
|-
| rowspan="2" | C || rowspan="2" | 1 || rowspan="2" | 25 || 1440 || 27 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x1
|-
| rowspan="2" | B || rowspan="2" | 25 || rowspan="2" | 50 || 2280 || 42 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x2
|-
| rowspan="2" | A || rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | 80 || 2880 || 51 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x3
|-
| rowspan="2" | S || rowspan="2" | 80 || rowspan="2" | 140 || 3000 || 60 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x4
|}

== Enemy information ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | Enemy name !! rowspan="2" | Enemy buffs !! rowspan="2" | Ele. !! colspan="2" | Mission LV C !! colspan="2" | Mission LV B !! colspan="2" | Mission LV A !! colspan="2" | Mission LV S
|-
! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP
|-
! colspan="11" | Boss
|-
| [[Dark Falz]] || || {{Dark}} || 25 || 4050 || 50 || 7800 || 80 || 14550 || 140 || 31050
|}

== Item drops ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Enemy name !! Special drops !! Mission LV C !! Mission LV B !! Mission LV A !! Mission LV S
|-
| [[Dark Falz]] || [[Note Seed]] [[Flowen's Greatsword]] [[Silence / Resist]] [[Paradi Cataract]] || [[Gudda Ribat]] [[Lumars]] [[Canara]] [[Cubo Upinde]] [[Hoza-senba]] [B] [[Gudda Brana]] [B] [[Tiller Look]] [B] [[Compadri]] [B] [[Raduke]] [B] [[Batnara]] [B] [[Rabol Dunga]] || [[Gudda Breba]] [[Cubo Dunga]] [[Cometara]] [[Rabol Ogg]] [B] [[Gudda Greta]] [B] [[Izlucre]] [B] [[Hikauri]] [B] [[Vulcan]] [B] [[Rogaduke]] [B] [[Crozara]] [B] [[Rabol Cuesta]] || [[Gudda Godda]] [[Cubo Dunga]] [[Lidra]] [[Rabol Cati]] [B] [[Gudda Gant]] [B] [[Ulteri]] [B] [[Cubo Mamba]] [B] [[Drumline]] [B] [[Graldike]] [B] [[Majimra]] [B] [[De Colte Line]] || [[Gudda Gant]] [[Cubo Mamba]] [[Majimra]] [[Rabol Cati]] [B] [[Gudda Hon]] [B] [[Rikauteri]] [B] [[Cubo Tuma]] [B] [[Bulletdance]] [B] [[Frauduke]] [B] [[Tesbra]] [B] [[De Colte Line]]
|}
[[Category:Event missions]]

Program DF

2008-05-10T21:13:08Z

Sekani: Mission description added.

__NOTOC__{{MAG mission}} {{Mission infobox
|Mission name= Program DF
|Mission image= [[Image:Clyez_mission.png|center]]
|Planet= Colony
|Start lobby= Clyez City: 5th Floor
|Start counter= GUARDIANS HQ
|End lobby= Clyez City: 5th Floor
|Version= Ambition of the Illuminus
|Field= VR Field
|Mission type= Event mission
|Party= 1-4 players
|Enemy elements= {{Dark}}
}}''The secret of Rykros has been revealed. But it's a sub-species of SEED we've never seen before. Battle it and see for yourself!'' 
''Client: Tomrain'' 

== Mission requirements and rewards ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | LV !! rowspan="2" | Req. LV !! rowspan="2" | Enemy LV !! colspan="2" | Rank S !! colspan="2" | Rank A !! colspan="2" | Rank B !! colspan="2" | Rank C
|-
! Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points || Meseta || Points
|-
| rowspan="2" | C || rowspan="2" | 1 || rowspan="2" | 25 || 1440 || 27 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x1
|-
| rowspan="2" | B || rowspan="2" | 25 || rowspan="2" | 50 || 2280 || 42 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x2
|-
| rowspan="2" | A || rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | 80 || 2880 || 51 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x3
|-
| rowspan="2" | S || rowspan="2" | 80 || rowspan="2" | 140 || 3000 || 60 || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | -- || rowspan="2" | --
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Bronze W. Badge]] x4
|}

== Enemy information ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | Enemy name !! rowspan="2" | Enemy buffs !! rowspan="2" | Ele. !! colspan="2" | Mission LV C !! colspan="2" | Mission LV B !! colspan="2" | Mission LV A !! colspan="2" | Mission LV S
|-
! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP !! LV !! EXP
|-
! colspan="11" | Boss
|-
| [[Dark Falz]] || || {{Dark}} || 25 || 4050 || 50 || 7800 || 80 || 14550 || 140 || 31050
|}

== Item drops ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Enemy name !! Special drops !! Mission LV C !! Mission LV B !! Mission LV A !! Mission LV S
|-
| [[Dark Falz]] || [[Note Seed]] ([[Flowen's Sword]]) [[Silence / Resist]] [[Paradi Cataract]] || [[Gudda Ribat]] [[Lumars]] [[Canara]] [[Cubo Upinde]] [[Hoza-senba]] [B] [[Gudda Brana]] [B] [[Tiller Look]] [B] [[Compadri]] [B] [[Raduke]] [B] [[Batnara]] [B] [[Rabol Dunga]] || [[Gudda Breba]] [[Cubo Dunga]] [[Cometara]] [[Rabol Ogg]] [B] [[Gudda Greta]] [B] [[Izlucre]] [B] [[Hikauri]] [B] [[Vulcan]] [B] [[Rogaduke]] [B] [[Crozara]] [B] [[Rabol Cuesta]] || [[Gudda Godda]] [[Cubo Dunga]] [[Lidra]] [[Rabol Cati]] [B] [[Gudda Gant]] [B] [[Ulteri]] [B] [[Cubo Mamba]] [B] [[Drumline]] [B] [[Graldike]] [B] [[Majimra]] [B] [[De Colte Line]] || [[Gudda Gant]] [[Cubo Mamba]] [[Majimra]] [[Rabol Cati]] [B] [[Gudda Hon]] [B] [[Rikauteri]] [B] [[Cubo Tuma]] [B] [[Bulletdance]] [B] [[Frauduke]] [B] [[Tesbra]] [B] [[De Colte Line]]
|}
[[Category:Event missions]]

User:Sekani

2008-05-10T20:35:39Z

Sekani:

[http://live.xbox.com/member/Sekani Xbox Live profile - Gamertag: Sekani]

== Sekani-02 ==
[[image:Sek-001.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"Hurry up and die, I got church in the morning"''

'''Info:''' Male [[CAST]] Level 130 
'''Class:''' [[Fighgunner]] Level 20 / [[Fortefighter]] Level 10 / [[Guntecher]] Level 6 
'''Partner Machine:''' Melbourne GH-454 (70 striking, 30 TECH) 
'''Yes:''' [[Relic Edge]] 
'''No:''' [[Relic Edge]] prices 
'''Special:''' [[Hit the Counter!]] at 7,850,000 kills

{|
|-

| 
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || [[Caliburn]] - {{light}} 22%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Spear icon}} || [[Mugungri]] - {{ground}} 22%
|-
| [[Futsnata]] - {{dark}} 18%
|-
| [[Muktrand]] - {{light}} 26% - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Double saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crea Doubles]] - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| [[Hodrisobra]] - {{ice}} 42%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Raikasobra]] - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=4 | {{Twin saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Two-Headed Ragnuc]] - {{ice}} 38% - {{dark}} 26%
|-
| [[ Heavy Twins ]] - {{ground}} 26% - {{light}} 24% - {{dark}} 20% - {{lightning}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Two-headed Ragnus]] - {{fire}} 30%
|-
| [[T. Durandal Replica]] - {{lightning}} 16%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin dagger icon}} || [[Lumiess Blau]] - {{light}} 28% - {{ice}} 36% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Dark Strauss]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Gizaha-zashi]] - {{dark}} 18% - {{lightning}} 14%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Saber icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| [[Frying Pan]] - {{fire}} 35%
|-
| [[Durandal Replica]] - {{ice}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Biso]] - 4/9
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Hyper Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Twin Ruby Bullet]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Crossbow icon}} || [[Yurasogic]] - 5/10
|-
| [[Cubo Mamba]] - 5/9
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Machinegun icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefevic]] - 0/8
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Muzzlefever]] - 0/10
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || [[Yactdike]] - {{dark}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Dunga]] - {{dark}} 30%
|-
| [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Delette Line]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Storm Line]] - {{lightning}} 46% - {{dark}} 22%
|-
| [[Ganna Line]] - {{fire}} 32%
|-
| rowspan=7 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Freeze / Resist]]
|-
| [[Mega / Power]]
|-
| [[Gigas Faust]]
|-
| [[Sturm Attacker]]
|-
| [[Poison / Resist]]
|-
| [[Giga/Bullet PP Save]]
|-
| [[Legsless / Rainbow]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Sword icon}} || Gravity Break - 2 Tornado Break - 1
|-
| {{Spear icon}} || Dus Daggas - 28 Dus Majarra - 37 Dus Robado - 16
|-
| {{Double saber icon}} || Spiral Dance - 35 Tornado Dance - 20 Gravity Dance - 29 Absolute Dance - 0
|-
| {{Twin saber icon}} || Splendor Crush - 26 Assault Crush - 26 Rising Crush - 34 Cross Hurricane - 14
|-
| {{Twin dagger icon}} || Moubu Seiren-zan - 25 Renga Chujin-shou - 14 Renkai Buyou-zan - 30 Hishou Jinren-zan - 28
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Rising Strike - 17
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 20 Twin Freeze - 20 Twin Plasma - 17 Twin Grav - 15 Twin Rising - 23 Twin Dark - 20
|-
| {{Crossbow icon}} || Yak Riga - 1 Yak Inga - 24 Yak Yoga - 8
|-
| {{Machinegun icon}} || Frozen Fury - 13 Rising Fury - 9
|}


|}

== Lenelle ==
[[image:Len-002.jpg|thumb|right|Image courtesy of SamuraiSilhouette]]
''"CALL ME QUEEN!"''

'''Info:''' Female [[human]] Level 103 
'''Class:''' [[Wartecher]] Level 15 / [[Acrotecher]] Level 14 / [[Acrofighter]] Level 11 / [[Fortetecher]] Level 3 
'''Partner Machine:''' Sydney GH-442 (99 armor) 
'''Yes:''' [[Pushan]] 
'''No:''' Leveling support [[TECHNICs]] 

{|
|-

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Inventory
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Gudda Skela]] - {{ice}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Twin claw icon}} || [[Ran-Misaki]] - {{fire}} 30% - {{dark}} 38% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Fuka-Misaki]] - {{ice}} 26%
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Saber icon}} || [[Durandal Replica]] - {{dark}} 20% - {{light}} 24%
|-
| [[Masamunera]] - {{ground}} 28% - {{lightning}} 36% - {{ice}} 32% - {{fire}} 38%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Crimson]] - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| [[Bouquet]] - {{lightning}} 50%
|-
| [[DB's Sword]] - {{ice}} 37%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Dagger icon}} || [[Dark Straal]] - {{ice}} 26% - {{light}} 26%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Deva-zashi]] - {{dark}} 16%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Halp Serafi]] - {{fire}} 28%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Claw icon}} || [[Zaks Bogoda]] - {{lightning}} 22%
|-
| [[Zaks Gabot]] - {{dark}} 32% - {{ground}} 46% - {{ice}} 32% - {{light}} 34% - {{fire}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Whip icon}} || [[Vish]] - {{lightning}} 28% - {{ground}} 28%
|-
| [[Vishic]] - {{light}} 30%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Vish Adac]] - {{light}} 26% - {{dark}} 34% - {{lightning}} 24%
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || [[Fuma-hiken]] - {{dark}} 24%
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{Longbow icon}} || [[Ulteri]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Izlucre]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || [[Arb Boa]] - 0/9
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Handgun icon}} || [[Real Hand Gun]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Varista]] - 2/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Viper]] - 0/10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || [[Card Regas]] - 4/10
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{Wand icon}} || [[Magical Wand]] - 10/10
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Uransara]] - 3/8
|-
| [[Serdote]] - 4/6
|-
| {{RCSM icon}} || {{Color-S}} | [[Ebrozike]] - {{ground}} 14% - {{ground}} 34%
|-
| rowspan=4 | {{TCSM icon}} || [[Pegic]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Shato]] - 0/10
|-
| [[Pegita]] - 4/9
|-
| [[Dori]] - 0/10
|-
| rowspan=5 | {{Line shield icon}} || [[Rabol Rappy]] - {{light}} 25%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa-senba]] - {{fire}} 24%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Serafi-senba]] - {{dark}} 34%
|-
| [[Sori-senba]] - {{ice}} 32%
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[De Colte Line]] - {{neutral}}
|-
| rowspan=8 | {{Extra unit icon}} || [[Sori / TECH Charge]]
|-
| [[Solid / Knight]]
|-
| [[Garment Aura]]
|-
| [[Tero / Legs]]
|-
| [[Te / PP Generate]]
|-
| [[Rappy Mode]]
|-
| [[Sleep / Resist]]
|-
| {{Color-S}} | [[Orpa / Force]]
|}

|  valign="top" |
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | Photon Arts
|-
| {{Knuckles icon}} || Bogga Danga - 3 Bogga Zubba - 5 Bogga Robado - 9
|-
| {{Twin claw icon}} || Renzan Seidan-ga - 21
|-
| {{Saber icon}} || Gravity Strike - 22 Spinning Strike - 19 Rising Strike - 21
|-
| {{Dagger icon}} || Buten Shuren-zan - 25 Hikai Shuha-zan - 20 Shunbu Shouren-zan - 13
|-
| {{Claw icon}} || Senten Kanzan-ga - 11 Bukuu Saien-zan - 18
|-
| {{Whip icon}} || Visshi Grudda - 23 Vivi Danga - 20
|-
| {{Slicer icon}} || Chikki Kyoren-jin - 12
|-
| {{Longbow icon}} || Reisei-sou - 12 Raisei-sou - 12
|-
| {{Twin handgun icon}} || Twin Burn - 1 Twin Freeze - 3 Twin Plasma - 1 Twin Grav - 3
|-
| {{Handgun icon}} || Burning Hit - 7 Frozen Hit - 10
|-
| {{Card icon}} || Ensei-shiki - 9 Reisei-shiki - 20 Raisei-shiki - 13
|-
| {{TCSM icon}} || Shifta - 21 Jellen - 11 Deband - 12 Zalure - 11 Zodial - 15 Zoldeel - 1 Resta - 21 Reverser - 20 Retier - 14 Giresta - 12 Megistar - 1
|-
| {{Wand icon}} || Foie - 17 Gifoie - 13 Rabarta - 4 Dambarta - 13 Gibarta - 13 Diga - 18 Gidiga - 8 Razonde - 4 Gizonde - 6
|}

|}

Jukebox discs

2008-05-10T17:50:26Z

Sekani: /* Jukebox discs */

{{AotI Only}}
Jukebox discs can be given to your [[Partner machines|partner machine]] to create a playlist for [[Your room|your room]]. Any songs which have been added to your jukebox can be selected at any time to play as your room's background music. Most discs are available at [[Casino Voloyal]]'s prize exchange counter, but there are others which are available through special events and missions.

== Jukebox discs ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Name !! Description !! Ver. !! Comments
|-
| [[PSU Disc 1]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Save This World." || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 2]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Save This World: Orchestral Version") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 3]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Save This World: Orchestral Short Version" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 4]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "With You") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 5]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "For Brighter Day") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 6]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "For Brighter Day: Orchestral Version") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 7]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "For Brighter Day: Remix") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 8]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Guardians" || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 9]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Obel Dallgun") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 10]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Parum") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 11]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Endrum Collective") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 12]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Neudaiz" || {{AotI version}} || Available at Shitenkaku's [[Offering box|offering box]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 13]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Mirei" || {{AotI version}} || Available at Shitenkaku's [[Offering box|offering box]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 14]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Moatoob" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 15]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Alfort Tylor" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 16]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "S.E.E.D") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 17]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Contamination: Fire") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 18]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Contamination: Dark") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 19]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Contamination: Ice") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 20]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "RELICS") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 21]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Ancient Civilization") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 22]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Mystery") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 23]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Violent") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 24]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Tension") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 25]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Uneasiness") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 26]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Comedy") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 27]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Sadness") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 28]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Resolution") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 29]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Brave Fight") || {{AotI version}} || Available in ([[Electric Festival]]).
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 30]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Epilogue 1") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 31]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Epilogue 2") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 32]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Overture") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 33]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Clyez City: GUARDIANS Colony") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 34]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Holtes City: PARUM") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 35]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Ohtoku City: NEUDAIZ") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 36]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Dagora City: MOATOOB") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 37]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Marriage") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 38]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Carnival") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 39]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "New Year" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 40]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Valentine" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 41]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Cherry Blossom") || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 42]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Halloween") || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 43]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Christmas" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 44]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Mellvore: The Abandoned City") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 45]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Milate 04") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 46]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Raffon Meadow") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 47]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Hakura Temple") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 48]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Floating Islands") || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 49]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Mizuraki C.D.") || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 50]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Galenigare Mines" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 51]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Kugu Desert") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 52]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "S.E.E.D. Hive" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 53]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Clyez Linear Line") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 54]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "RELICS: Sleep") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 55]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "RELICS: Awakening") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 56]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Z.C. Enemy 1") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 57]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Z.C. Enemy 2") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 58]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Growls from a Wild Sky") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 59]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Fly Up Ivy") || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 60]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Madness in the Machine") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 61]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "The Hunt: The End of Planets") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 62]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Vibrations: The End of Planets") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 63]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "The Last Story") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 64]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Floader") || {{AotI version}} || Available in ([[Electric Festival]]).
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 65]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Striker") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 66]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Lunga") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 67]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Character Creation") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 68]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "The First Story") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 69]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Save This World: Remix Version" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 70]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Illuminus") || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 71]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Laia" || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 72]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Ethan") || {{AotI version}} || --
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 73]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Old Rozenom City") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 74]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Habirao F.D." || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 75]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "De Rol Le" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 76]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Growl of Dark Faith") || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 77]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "MOTHER" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 78]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Fight the Vicious Fate") || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[PSU Disc 79]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Shitenkaku" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[PSU Disc 80]]) || (A disc found in a RELICS site. "Paracabana Coast") || {{AotI version}} || --
|-
| [[PSU Disc 81]] || A disc found in a RELICS site. "Casino Voloyal" || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{JP item}}
| ([[SC5 Disc]]) || (A jukebox disc. Contains the happiness of everyone across the universe. It's also Hal's favorite song.) || {{AotI version}} || Available in ([[Electric Festival]]).
|-
| [[FTM Disc]] || A jukebox disc. A Rub Rabbits song of a young man's love and determination. || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[Rub Rabbits Disc]]) || -- || {{AotI version}} || "The Rub Rabbits"
|-
| [[NIGHTS Disc]] || A jukebox disc. A song of dreams and courage for young boys and girls everywhere. || {{AotI version}} || Available at [[Casino Voloyal]].
|-
| [[BR Disc 1]] || A jukebox disc. The theme song for a certain elite fire-fighting team. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|-
| [[BR Disc 2]] || A jukebox disc. A mellow ballad of a certain elite firefighting team. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[The Collector]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 1]] || A jukebox disc. Grand theme music that's fitting for the beginning of a new era. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 2]] || A jukebox disc. A beautiful ballad that's fitting for the end of an era. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 3]] || A jukebox disc. Music of warriors that spend their lives on the battlefield. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 4]] || A jukebox disc. Music of an ancient temple that has seen countless struggles. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 5]] || A jukebox disc. Music of an ancient, giant machine that suddenly went out of control. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 6]] || A jukebox disc. Music of the brave souls who faced the impact of a giant meteor. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 7]] || A jukebox disc. A requiem for a courageous young woman with a red arm band. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|-
| [[PSO Disc 8]] || A jukebox disc. The soft, soothing melodies invite you to land of dreams. || {{AotI version}} || Available in [[Gifts from Beyond]].
|- {{Unreleased item}}
| ([[Sonic Disc]]) || -- || {{AotI version}} || "SONIC HEROES"
|}

PSO Disc 6

2008-05-10T17:50:02Z

Sekani:

{{AOTI only}}
''A jukebox disc. Music of the brave souls who faced the impact of a giant meteor.'' 
{{7 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This disc is available from the [[Maximum Attack G (event)|Maximum Attack G]] item exchange mission [[Gifts from Beyond]].
* Adds "Nostalgia in Solitude PART2" to the jukebox in a player's room.
* [http://psupedia.info/audio/PSODisc6.wma Listen to an audio sample]

[[Category:Jukebox discs]]

Talk:Tyrant Spada

2008-05-10T17:06:00Z

Sekani:

This isn't technically AotI onry, is it? --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 22:51, 9 May 2008 (CDT)
* The only way of obtaining it is through an ''AOTI''-only enemy, so it kind of is. I think. <_< I know the data for it is in the original ''PSU'', but is there any way for a non-expansion player to access the weapon through a player shop? For example, if an ''AOTI'' player sells this weapon in their shop (which is in a room that still uses a base ''PSU'' layout), would a base player be able to buy it? Or would they not even be able to enter the room of the seller since the seller has the expansion? (I'm kind of cloudy on how that whole thing works.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:04, 9 May 2008 (CDT)
**They wouldn't be able to enter the other person's shop if the other person had an AotI room ticket. However, they could easily drop-trade it or buy it from a non-AotI ticket'd room... or so I imagine. There shouldn't be anything stopping them from it. Much like how I drop-traded some Grinder Base S to a white-name friend back when AotI first launched. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 23:13, 9 May 2008 (CDT)
*** Ah, I didn't think about dropping the item for a non-expansion player. I guess that would work fine. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:27, 9 May 2008 (CDT)
**** In case a reader wanted to ask "How could they buy it from a v1 shop if the v1 shop had no way to get it?" - Someone could have a "v1" character and an AOTI character. He could get it as the AOTI one, stick it in his common box and then log in as the v1 character while playing base PSU. Incidentally, I've always had this thought with items like the [[Solid / Knight]] too. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 02:11, 10 May 2008 (CDT)
***** Is it even possible to have a "v1" and AOTI character on the same account? And I don't know if it's ever been confirmed if items that are in the "v1" game data but only obtainable from AOTI missions are actually usable by "v1" players. - [[User:Sekani|Sekani]] 12:06, 10 May 2008 (CDT)