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User:F Gattaca

2009-12-10T09:55:17Z

F Gattaca: Updating this to when I last played.

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[[Image:Fgattaca.jpg|frame|center|]]
'''''F Gattaca''''' 
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|Name:
|The Infamous Trev-MUN (F Gattaca in PSO/PSU)
|-
|Gender:
|Male
|-
|Favorite PS Game:
|Console: Phantasy Star VI MMORPG: Phantasy Star Universe (PSO:BB comes close though!)
|-
|Favorite Non-PS Game:
|It tends to change. All time favortes include Deus Ex 1, the Earthsiege/Starsiege series, and Ragnarok Online, though.
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|Game Servers
|[[Image:News_US.PNG]]
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==About me==
I'm a nutcase of many names. Normally I go by Trev-MUN. In Ragnarok Online, it's Aragan (the Acolyte). In the Phantasy Star circles though, it's F Gattaca. So, I'll use that name here. 
Though I studied Business in college, my ''real'' goal is to get a degree in computer graphics and animation. Hopefully between the two degrees I'll know enough to start a game development studio. 
In the meantime, I play games, and try my hand at many flavors of artwork and animation. I've been doing everything from CGing to sprite artwork to flash animation and 3D computer animation. Aside from iPSU I also play on the international Ragnarok Online servers, where I'm known as Aragan there. I do a small-time webcomic (NOT a sprite comic) called Ragnarok Wisdom based on life in iRO. I'm also working on my own science fiction universe project, called Ad Ultimum. 
As far as the Phantasy Star community goes, I started playing when PSO:BB was in its beta phase. The cast of Ragnarok Wisdom had all joined in, forming a team called the Wild Reapers. I was also known as F Gattaca then, a RAcast. We participated in the AOL Maximum Attack, [http://psobb.com/community/quests/aolcup/index.html and placed 4th among all the teams] ... even though most of the teams were ''twice'' our size. For me, that's a pretty big accomplishment! 
Well, I think that about covers everything ... Hopefully I can be of some use around here!

==Characters on PSU (PC/PS2)==
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|- style="background:#dfdfdf"
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! width="80" |Gender
! width="80" |Level
! width="90" |Cur. Type
! width="80" |HU
! width="80" |RA
! width="80" |FO
! width="80" |FI
! width="80" |GT
! width="80" |WT
! width="80" |FF
! width="80" |FG
! width="80" |FT
! width="80" |PT
! width="80" |AF
! width="80" |AT
! width="80" |FM
! width="80" |GM
! width="80" |MF
|- style="background:#efefef"
| F Gattaca
| CAST
| ♂
| 151
| Fortegunner
| 10
| 20
| 10
| 20
| 10
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
|- style="background:#efefef"
| Raul DiUragano
| Beast
| ♂
| 150
| Fortefighter
| 10
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
|- style="background:#efefef"
| Aragan
| Human
| ♂
| 100
| Acrotecher
| 3
| 4
| 5
| 1
| 1
| 7
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
|} 

==Links==
* [http://www.adultimum.net The Ad Ultimum network, a hub for all my sites] 
* [http://www.adultimum.net/rw/ Ragnarok Wisdom, my RO webcomic] 
* [http://trevmun.deviantart.com My deviantART gallery, in case you're interested] 
* [http://ils-trevmun.livejournal.com The Thought Transistor, my personal blog]

Rafal Buster

2009-12-10T09:48:51Z

F Gattaca: Fixing a mistake after checking a second dictionary source.

[[Image:Psu_aoti_rafal_buster.jpg|thumb|right|A Male CAST having emptied a Rafal Buster's ammo stores.]]
''SUV Gatling system. Attacks enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore Gatling gun. (level 20+)'' 
{{4 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Lower DFP]] LV2
* Though lost in translation during the localization process, this weapon's name is a derivative of the word ''lahar'', meaning ''pyroclastic landslide'' (and ''lava'' in Indonesian and Javanese). The connection is more apparent in the Japanese weapon name, ラファールバスター (''rahuarubasuta''), when compared to the Japanese pronunciation of ''lahar'', ラハール (''rahaaru'').

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
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{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 4
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 2500
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Rafal Attacker

2009-12-10T09:48:48Z

F Gattaca: Fixing a mistake after checking a second dictionary source.

''SUV Gatling system. Wipes out enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore Gatling gun. (level 20+)'' 
{{7 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Lower DFP]] LV4
* Though lost in translation during the localization process, this weapon's name is a derivative of the word ''lahar'', meaning ''pyroclastic landslide'' (and ''lava'' in Indonesian and Javanese). The connection is more apparent in the Japanese weapon name, ラファールアタッカー (''rahuaruatatsuka''), when compared to the Japanese pronunciation of ''lahar'', ラハール (''rahaaru'').

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
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{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 7
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 64000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Rafal Attacker

2009-12-10T01:30:14Z

F Gattaca:

''SUV Gatling system. Wipes out enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore Gatling gun. (level 20+)'' 
{{7 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Lower DFP]] LV4
* Though lost in translation during the localization process, this weapon's name is a derivative of the word ''lahar'', meaning ''pyroclast'' (and ''lava'' in Indonesian). The connection is more apparent in the Japanese weapon name, ラファールアタッカー (''rahuaruatatsuka''), when compared to the Japanese pronunciation of ''lahar'', ラハール (''rahaaru'').

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 7
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 64000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Rafal Buster

2009-12-10T01:30:08Z

F Gattaca: Oops.

[[Image:Psu_aoti_rafal_buster.jpg|thumb|right|A Male CAST having emptied a Rafal Buster's ammo stores.]]
''SUV Gatling system. Attacks enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore Gatling gun. (level 20+)'' 
{{4 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Lower DFP]] LV2
* Though lost in translation during the localization process, this weapon's name is a derivative of the word ''lahar'', meaning ''pyroclast'' (and ''lava'' in Indonesian). The connection is more apparent in the Japanese weapon name, ラファールバスター (''rahuarubasuta''), when compared to the Japanese pronunciation of ''lahar'', ラハール (''rahaaru'').

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 4
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 2500
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Rafal Buster

2009-12-10T01:27:17Z

F Gattaca: I did some checking after seeing the "natural disaster" theme naming with SUV weapons. This seems to be another case of obfuscated name origin, similar to Luciel.

[[Image:Psu_aoti_rafal_buster.jpg|thumb|right|A Male CAST having emptied a Rafal Buster's ammo stores.]]
''SUV Gatling system. Attacks enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore Gatling gun. (level 20+)'' 
{{4 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Lower DFP]] LV2
* Though lost in translation during the localization process, this weapon's name is a derivative of the word ''lahar'', meaning ''pyroclast'' (and ''lava'' in Indonesian). The connection is more apparent in the Japanese weapon name, ラファールアタッカー (''rahuaruatatsuka''), when compared to the Japanese pronunciation of ''lahar'', ラハール (''rahaaru'').

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 4
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 2500
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Paradi Cataract

2009-12-10T01:01:53Z

F Gattaca:

{{AOTI only}}
[[Image:Paradi.jpg|thumb|right|Paradi Cataract in action.]]
''SUV bombing system. Calls in cover fire from an out-of-date military satellite. (level 20+)'' 
{{12 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* This SUV weapon is based on the Divine Punishment special of the ''Phantasy Star Online'' weapons "Heaven Striker", "Heaven Punisher", and "Mille Marteaux".
* This SUV likely derives its name from ''paradise'', derived from the Greek ''paradeiso''. ''Cataract'', which can mean "waterfall" or "downpour," has roots in Latin and Greek (the latter of which literally means "I pour down").
* Paradi Cataract initiates faster than all other current SUV Weapons. It also returns control to the user faster.
* Paradi Cataract strikes a large area with a 5 hit ice bombardment that performs heavy damage and leaves any targets still standing stuck in [[Status effects|Freeze]] Lv5. The only exceptions being bosses and certain large enemies.
* A [[AOTI_supplemental_update|future update]] will reduce Paradi Cataract's STA bonus from 5 to 3.

== Stats, drops and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
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{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 12
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= AOTI
|End.= 5}}
||
{{New drop test
|Header= Y}}
{{New drop test
|Source= The Dark God
|Source type= Boss box
|Level= C-S2
|Ver.= AOTI
|Type= Unit
|Category= Extra}}
{{New drop test
|Footer= Y
|Source= Program DF'
|Source type= Boss box
|Level= C-S2
|Ver.= AOTI
|Type= Unit
|Category= Extra}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Sell= 20000
|Shop= Not for sale}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Sturm Attacker

2009-12-10T00:28:15Z

F Gattaca:

''SUV launcher sys. Wipes out enemies with a volley from a missile launcher. (level 20+)'' 
{{9 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Burn]] LV4
* Sturm Attacker is an all-out attack SUV Weapon.
* ''Sturm'' is a German word meaning ''storm''.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
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{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 9
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 120000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Sturm_attacker.jpg|
Image:Sturm_attacker2.jpg|
</gallery>

[[Category: Extra units]]

Grom Attacker

2009-12-10T00:27:10Z

F Gattaca:

''SUV laser system. Wipes out enemies w/concentrated fire fr. large-bore photon laser. (level 20+)'' 
{{8 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Shock]] LV4
* ''Grom'' is a word for ''thunder'' in the Bosnian, Serbian, and Slovene languages.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 8
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 88000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Blitz Attacker

2009-12-10T00:26:34Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Amaury_6.jpg|thumb|right|Blitz Attacker after firing.]]
''SUV laser system. Wipes out enemies w/ sweeping fire fr. a large-bore photon laser. (level 20+)'' 
{{8 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Stun]] LV4
* ''Blitz'' is a German word meaning ''lightning'' or ''flash''.
 

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 8
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 88000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category: Extra units]]

Gigas Faust

2009-12-10T00:25:16Z

F Gattaca:

{{AOTI only}}
''SUV attack system. Destroys enemies in front with a giant knuckle. (level 20+)'' 
{{6 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Confuse]] LV?
* This SUV takes its name from two words in different languages; ''gigas'', which means ''giant'' in Latin, and ''faust'', which means ''fist'' in German.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
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{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 6
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= AOTI
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 15000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Gigas Espada

2009-12-10T00:24:34Z

F Gattaca:

{{AOTI only}}
''SUV attack system. Destroys enemies in front with a giant sword. (level 20+)'' 
{{6 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Incapacitate]] LV?
* This SUV takes its name from two words in different languages; ''gigas'', which means ''giant'' in Latin, and ''espada'', which means ''sword'' in Spanish.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 6
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= AOTI
|End.= 3}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 7000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Sturm Buster

2009-12-10T00:22:44Z

F Gattaca:

''SUV launcher sys. Attacks enemies w/ a volley from a missile launcher. (level 20+)'' 
{{6 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a SUV weapon and can be equipped only by CASTs at LV20+.
* Inflicts burn LV2.
* ''Sturm'' is a German word meaning ''storm''.

== Stats, drops and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 6
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{New drop test
|Header= Y}}
{{New drop test
|Footer= Y
|Source=
|Level=
|Ver.=
|Type=
|Category= }}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 10000
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

[[Category:Extra units]]

Grom Buster

2009-12-10T00:20:10Z

F Gattaca:

''SUV laser system. Attacks enemies w/ concentrated fire fr. a large-bore photon laser. (level 20+)'' 
{{5 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Shock]] LV2
* ''Grom'' is a word for ''thunder'' in the Bosnian, Serbian, and Slovene languages.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 5
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 6000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

Blitz Buster

2009-12-10T00:17:29Z

F Gattaca: Found a few more. These aren't so much of a stretch.

''SUV laser system. Attacks enemies w/ sweeping fire from a large-bore photon laser. (level 20+)'' 
{{5 stars}}

== Item details ==
* This unit is a [[SUV Weapon]] that can only be equipped by [[CASTs]] level 20 or higher.
* [[Stun]] LV2
* ''Blitz'' is a German word meaning ''lightning'' or ''flash''.

== Stats and pricing ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Unit stats
|Type= Extra
|Rarity= 5
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= PSU
|End.= 1}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Unit
|Buy= 6000
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-GS]], [[G.R.M. Shop]]}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images currently exist for this SUV Weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Extra units]]

PSP:Special Ops (Solda)

2009-12-07T06:25:58Z

F Gattaca:

{{PSP only}} [[Image:{{PAGENAME}}.png|thumb|right|{{PAGENAME}}]]

The '''Solda''' unit within the Special Ops is composed of shotgun-wielding CASTs. Considering what they are, they are surprisingly durable, and their weapon of choice can make maneuvering on the battlefield awkward and difficult.

== Other notes ==
* ''Solda'' is a French form of the word ''soldat,'' meaning ''soldier.''

{{Enemy drop chart (PSP)
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Solda)
|PSP missions 1= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] C
|PSP missions 20= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] B, [[PSP:The COG Secret 2|The COG Secret 2]]
|PSP missions 40= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] A
|PSP missions 60= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] S
|PSP missions 80= ([[PSP:Scrap Ghost I|Scrap Ghost I]])
|PSP missions 100=
|PSP missions 125=
|PSP missions 150=
}}

[[Category: Humanoids (PSP)]]

PSP:Special Ops (Kanohne)

2009-12-07T06:24:59Z

F Gattaca: While I'm assuming this enemy behaves just like it did in PSU, I'm not 100% sure, so I'm not copying the entire introduction over.

{{PSP only}} [[Image:{{PAGENAME}}.png|thumb|right|{{PAGENAME}}]]

Kanohne is a Special Ops [[CAST]] that uses rifles.

== Other notes ==
* This enemy's name is a derivative of the German word ''kanone'', meaning ''cannon.''

{{Enemy drop chart (PSP)
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Kanohne)
|PSP missions 1= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] C, [[PSP:Endrum Remnants|Endrum Remnants]] C
|PSP missions 20= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] B, [[PSP:Endrum Remnants|Endrum Remnants]] B, [[PSP:The COG Secret 2|The COG Secret 2]]
|PSP missions 40= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] A, [[PSP:Endrum Remnants|Endrum Remnants]] A
|PSP missions 60= [[PSP:Desert Goliath|Desert Goliath]] S, [[PSP:Endrum Remnants|Endrum Remnants]] S
|PSP missions 80= ([[PSP:Scrap Ghost III|Scrap Ghost III]])
|PSP missions 100=
|PSP missions 125=
|PSP missions 150=
}}

[[Category: Humanoids (PSP)]]

PSP:Special Ops (Sparda)

2009-12-07T06:22:24Z

F Gattaca: Doing this for the PSP instances of other PSU enemies, too. A PSP player may never actually read PSU-specific articles, after all.

{{PSP only}} [[Image:{{PAGENAME}} psp.jpg|thumb|right|{{PAGENAME}}]]

== Other notes ==
* This enemy's name is a derivative of the Italian word ''spada'', meaning ''sword.''

{{Enemy drop chart (PSP)
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Sparda)
|PSP missions 1=
|PSP missions 20= [[PSP:AMF HQ Recovery|AMF HQ Recovery]] C
|PSP missions 40= [[PSP:AMF HQ Recovery|AMF HQ Recovery]] B
|PSP missions 60= [[PSP:AMF HQ Recovery|AMF HQ Recovery]] A
|PSP missions 80= [[PSP:AMF HQ Recovery|AMF HQ Recovery]] S, ([[PSP:Scrap Ghost I|Scrap Ghost I]]), ([[PSP:Scrap Ghost III|Scrap Ghost III]])
|PSP missions 100=
|PSP missions 125=
|PSP missions 150=
}}

[[Category: Humanoids (PSP)]]

Special Ops (Sparda)

2009-12-07T06:16:43Z

F Gattaca: Also adding this to the PSP article on this enemy.

__NOTOC__{{Enemy infobox
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Sparda)
|Image=
|Version= Ambition of the Illuminus
|Enemy type= Humanoid
|Enemy size= Medium
|Classification= Unreleased enemy
|Elements=
}}This enemy has not been released in any version of ''Phantasy Star Universe''.

However, while this division of the Special Ops has yet to rear its head in any of the console titles, it [[PSP:Special Ops (Sparda)|has appeared]] in [[Phantasy Star Portable]].

== Abilities ==
* --

== Other notes ==
* This enemy's name is a derivative of the Italian word ''spada'', meaning ''sword.''

== Stats ==
{{Enemy stats
|HP=
|ATP=
|ATA=
|TP=
|DFP=
|EVP=
|MST=
|STA=
|EXP=
|Leader boost=
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User talk:EspioKaos

2009-12-06T05:35:05Z

F Gattaca:

== Naming schemes ==
As you noticed, I was going through several of the weapons pages and noting any multilingual references I could find. I wanted to talk to you about the naming scheme for common weapons, though:

Most of the 1 to 5 star common weapons take their names after similar common weapons in PSO. There's places where this convention breaks (like "Durandal" instead of "Gladius," or "Shooter" and "Bullseye" instead of "Beam" and "Laser"), but it seems to be more of an exception rather than a rule.

I noticed that the names for common shotguns follows the same pattern; PSO's common shotguns (in order of rarity) are ''Shot, Spread, Cannon, Launcher,'' and ''Arms''. In PSU, the order is similar: ''Shigga Damud, Shigga Spud, Shigga Wadda, Shigga Bigul, Shigga Amza.''

Some of the names for PSU shotguns sound somewhat similar to the PSO ones if spoken aloud; compare Wadda and Cannon. Shigga Spud and Shigga Amza popped out as being especially similar to Spread and Arms as far as names go. Looking at weapon types where all three companies make a weapon of the same rarity, you can see how a word changes from plain English (GRM) to pseudo-Japanese (Yohmei) to ... well, whatever inspired how Beasts talk (Tenora). For example: ''[[Breaker]]'', ''[[Brekaud]]'', and ''[[Soda Brekka]].''

That's why I figured that at least some of the common shotguns were named after PSO shots. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
* I can see a few of them maybe possibly being references (Spud and Amza), but the others are just a bit too far of a stretch to me, so they seem a bit more like grasping at straws, trying to force a ''PSO'' reference out of the name. (I keep saying "Wadda" and "Cannon" aloud, but all I'm hearing is something like "water cannon." lol) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
** Yeah, I do admit it's a stretch on a number of those, but having looked at other names with Beast-y words, well ... the Beasts ''really'' mangle words, so I figured that if two fit the pattern in terms of rank and name similarity, the others might also. Gur Neda sounds like "grenade" when pronounced out loud, for instance, and given it ''is'' a grenade launcher, it seems to be intentional, as was some of the others you noted (Gur Hanab, Gur Missal, Gur Napam, etc.) ... Though I guess those don't stretch plausibility as much as Wadda/Cannon. (And yeah, saying both one after another ''does'' sound like "water cannon," haha!) - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 05:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

== PSP2 templates ==
* Few points and questions:
** Grinding is random like in PSP1, so a grind template might not really be worth it.
** Special effects on weapons are displayed in the weapon's stats now, are we still keeping them in the Item Details section?
** How are we going to handle final-grinded weapons? Two articles - e.g. Saber and Saber (S grade) - is probably the easiest option, but I was wondering if you had any ideas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
* I'm not sure about grinds being random anymore. I just fully upgraded three Brands, and each one increased the same amount with each grind. I was pretty sure they were supposed to be random, too, but maybe it was changed. Could just be a demo thing, so we'll see when the full version comes out.
* On special effects, we could add something to the stats table. I'll go over some ideas to see what I can come up with. Ultimately, I'd like to keep the stats table matched in height with the shop table, so I might spread everything out over six columns, and add a full span row on the bottom for the stats effects.
* For the Extend Code-upgraded weapons, the first thing to come to mind was a separate article for the S-grade weapon, as you said. It's possible we could include something in the normal article, but no decent ideas for what have come to mind yet. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== Question/Help ==
Could you take a look at my page and tell me why the Guide Bar is on the right side of my page please... when i "preview" it looks normal but when i clicked "save" it came up like that ... any help would be appreciated.. Thank You for your time and help [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]
* Ack, that's a first! I don't think I've ever seen that happen. If I had to guess, it seems like it's the div tags you're using. Maybe those coupled with certain wikicodes just kills the page. If you're just trying to get two columns with those tables in them, that can be done with a normal wikitable. I'll go ahead and fix it for you. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

lol yea i saved it and looked at it and was like WTF lmao ... had no idea what happened ... but i appreciate the help ... [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]

== Question ==
Just curious.....considering I keep getting modded making topics about "Alpal" and I am Alpal..could you stop modding me please? [[User:Dragon Striker|Dragon Striker]]
* So you started off by bashing yourself? Anyway, if you want to create a section for your character, then do it on your own user page; do not create a new wiki article for your character. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 2 March 2009 (CST)

== Status effects ==
Now that rifles can get to SE 5, what is the damage potential of Burn and Infection and any other SE that has a change at 5? - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]
* I'm not sure, to be completely honest. I believe the chances of infliction and the percent of damage inflicted go up at LV5, but I've got no clue about actual figures for it. Sorry! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 17 February 2009 (CST)
** Well, I can say for a certainty that it went up at SE 5. As to how much, I can only assume it follows the growth of the previous levels, so Burn will hit 30% total and Infection will hit 45%. It's an educated guess, but I've seen it doing more damage for me for sure. - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]

== Some changes on the PSP pages ==
For some reason I decided to start adding info to the non-existent pages. I've done some touches here and there. I have the PSP game and figure it was time to do my share (I was taking a break with pedia and games in general).

I updated some of the descriptions, added a few subcategories like titles. My plan is to get all the PA pages done and work on items. I don't know a lick of japanese so it makes things hard. If you have the game I could use some help with what items are what so I don't have to change my class, buy all the skills, and try them (I plan on doing that sometime later.) For the time being, I would love if anyone who has the game to make revisions/additions to what I've started. I don't post on the forums so I figured I would let you know since you seem to be the one with the most contributions to the PSP section. If I ever get motivated, I just might post on the forums. Thanks for all the help and any questions you have feel free to ask me.

[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 23:46, 16 September 2008 (CDT)
* Excellent. We appreciate the help! Unfortunately, I don't own the game (I don't even have a PSP, actually), but I plan on getting both eventually. I'll still help out with what I can, of course. When I have more free time, I'll be adding new weapon articles using the screens that Mewn made of each weapon from the in-game weapon library. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 08:42, 17 September 2008 (CDT)

*Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games? http://psupedia.info/PSP:Title_system has items with the exact same effect as they do in the other games (not just the only page). I wanted to know if there was a need for this. While rarity is changed for most items,the item effects are the same. If there is a need for new pages....this will be a fun time =/ [[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:06, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah. Basically, ''PSP'' is considered a completely separate game from ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'', just like the offline modes of those two are separate from online (as far as articles here are concerned). Which reminds me. I think it was in a sandbox of yours that you have the version column of a photon arts section listing the ''PSU'' icon for what is meant to be part of the ''PSP'' section. That should be changed since anything in a ''PSP'' article will relate only to that version of the game. Otherwise, it sort of implies that the handheld game is connected to the console title as if it were an expansion. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:14, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** 'Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games?' - the simple answer to this is yes, because items vary wildly between versions in many respects... stats, rarity, special effects, drops etc. and the simplest way of doing things on the wiki is simply to have seperate articles in the relevant namespace. It means more work, sure, but we just ask that people contribute as much as they can and put in as much effort as they are willing to. There's no pressure to get things done and this section will be largely ignored until US release, at least. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
***And about the US release, suppose the isn't one (as I have long predicted basic on some research) will the PSP section remain? Also, aside from Mewn, espio, and Miraglyph, who else is working on it because I'm only sure that I have the game and don't have others here to reference with. If any of you know of some the people on the pso-world forums that have the game and could pitch in, it would be great. By what I've seen, many of them have progress much further than I have. Also, outside of some stats, rarity, and few minor effects, the PSP version is identical to the past iterations at least as far as PAs, clothing, pallete items, and quite a few other things... -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 12:23, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
**** The section would remain. But for what it's worth, the SOA president has already let slip that a local release is in the works. We're still waiting for an official announcement, but I think it's safe to say we'll get it eventually. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:45, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
***** With the announcement of it coming next year I hope my saved data transfers. I would be quite ahead of the crowd and I could get so much more work done...But by that time the majority of info will be filled. Here's to hard work being overlooked by a translation in half a year. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:39, 19 October 2008 (CDT)

== PSP Meseta Page ==

Do you think a meseta page is necessary for the PSP section? I have it as an internal link that goes to Network mode but I can either make a page or not link it altogether. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 22:45, 18 October 2008 (CDT)
* Nah, I don't think it'd be terribly important. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:47, 18 October 2008 (CDT)

== question :P ==

i was wondering since i see you updating things here and there if you would know why in the hell i cant update or upload a png file... i tells me when i try that the file is either corrupt or has the wrong extention... which i know is wrong cause i had just exported it... i was going to replace all the icons with the ones actually used by the game (not screenshots but the actual images the game uses)... i had already updated the S/A/B/C rank icons but those were gif... everytime i try png i get the same error... any ideas as to why not working? or at least who i should ask on this if you dont know? --[[User:Mmsp15|MMSP15 Created1]] 11:52, 21 December 2008 (CST)
* I'm not sure, to be honest. Sounds like something was changed on the backend to disallow PNGs from being uploaded, but that's only a guess. Maybe Tycho, Qwerty or Mewn know something about it. If all else fails, we could convert the icons you've ripped from the game to GIF, upload those and update the affected templates with the new extension. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:26, 21 December 2008 (CST)
** I remember getting an error a while back when trying to upload .png files, but then I switched to .jpg, it went away, and I forgot about it. I'll see about asking dreamXG what the problem is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:42, 21 December 2008 (CST)

== About Rutsu. ==
In Story Mode, he changes into the Alterazgohg, doesn't he? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
* Nah, he only summons it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:48, 10 January 2009 (CST)
* Then why does he look exhauted when you defeat it? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
** He is overwhelmed about it ;) [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 11:35, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** That's what I'm thinking. I remember he gets all pissy about Alteraz being defeated so easily (since it was supposed to be the COG's ultimate weapon), so I'd say he's borderline hyperventilating from shock or something. There's nothing that really suggested to me that Rutsu transformed into this creature. Anyway, I'll be playing the mission again soon on the JP side (just got up to that chapter in my story mode runs), so I'll go over it to make sure when I do play through it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:41, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** It never even occurred to me that he is chaning into the Alteraz, he clearly explains they developed the creature, then he calls it out. Then he is very upset that you defeated his pride. [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 12:24, 11 January 2009 (CST)

== Units ==

I was wondering about the changes to a couple of the SUV pages. I don't think anything but Paradi Cataract drops. Unless you assume they might in the future. Besides that, there are already images for some of the other SUVs and I don't see why not. I'm guessing you're just using the standard for unit pages, but I figured to ask if you had any other ideas. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 19:46, 19 January 2009 (CST)
* Yeah, I just copy-pasted the blank template to update those. Guess I should've remembered to put the image gallery thing in. On the drop tables, I kept them there just for the sake of filling out the pages a bit more. Actually, now that I think of it, maybe I should poke at the template code a bit to make it where we can change "unknown" to "no drops" or something like that. Oh, and thanks for fixing those Buster SUVs I messed up. I just now realized that the 5★ rarity I gave them was from offline. >_< - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:01, 19 January 2009 (CST)
** I guess having both options would be good, but "unknown" would probably be preferable for keeping one. I was just wondering a bit what was going on with those articles earlier. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:15, 19 January 2009 (CST)

== Monsters ==

Sorry about the foul-up on which debuff the Kog Nadd uses after it charges. I thought it was Zalure, but then again, I'm not too familiar with TECHNICS... but yeah, thanks for correcting me on that. Misinformation is bad, and it feels even worse when I'm the one spreading it. --[[User:Sasuke1986|Sasuke1986]] 19:16, 28 January 2009 (CST)
* Minor thing. Nothing to worry about. ;) We appreciate your help with filling out the articles, of course. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 28 January 2009 (CST)

== hello ==

hi i'm new here. it's nice to meet you =) [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 20:24, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
* Hi, Amaury. Bypassed the ban, I see. Not for long! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:23, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*not really, we're trying a demo on a wireless modem, which gives us a different ISP [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 23:26, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
** Which means you bypassed the ban. Please enjoy this one. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:27, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*** That was really funny. The aftermath too with Amaury blaming me for reporting etc. More! Anyway I hope I'll get your card at some point big boy, I never got it. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 00:53, 27 March 2009 (CDT)

== question for Espio ==

I have a question. will that Photon art adjustments update that we will be getting soon also affect the npcs' PAs and PMs' PAs?

== Drop tiers ==

Is 200+ really necessary? The way things have been going, it seems to me like it might just go 175+ and cap off at 200. Even if they do go past it, it'll probably take quite a while. I think in this case it might be better to worry about it if/when it comes. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
* I guess technically it's not necessary (since only one enemy even hits LV200 so far). I just started throwing it in there as a head start so we won't have to add it to the templates later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== IRC ==

You can get more details to fill the pages on IRC. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Drop updates ==

I thought we weren't going to list drop changes if they actually didn't have another drop on the local servers in the first place. Even if that Deva-zashi board drop was real, it only seemed to apply to (The Protectors α+) for the two weeks that it was out in Japan, so it doesn't even really seem that major. I guess I'm just wondering about this for possible future local 'drop updates'. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Having some trouble ==

Hey Espio, I just registered here on PSUPedia. Figured I could give you guys a hand. But for some reason, I can't seem to verify my Email Address. Do you have a solution for this issue? --Anon Fire, 5:01 PM 9 October 2009
* Don't worry, you don't have to verify it. I know it tells you you have to, but it isn't actually required. Really, I don't even think we ever set up an email server at all when we changed hosts, so don't worry about not getting a confirmation email. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Clothes 'n' Parts ==

So I noticed Toothball's updates and I also noticed PSU-wiki now doesn't list the limit of the newer five color combos of each set. They're definitely in there...I just checked recently. I'm guessing these were probably in the June update? I know JP hasn't delisted the exception, but you don't think they put the original Rappy Suits into the random draw? --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
* Yeah, I'd guess they were included with June's update of the mission. As for the Rappy Suits, it's possible, but I really don't know. I'd test it out if I had the materials, but looking at what all it would require, I'd maybe be able to do it just once. D: - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== PSP weapons pics ==

* The guy with all those pretty PSP weapons released them on the uploader. Files 3419 and 3420. 拡張子Jpg→Zip and it works. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Standarization ==

If you want to put this trough then there must be 1 style... So which style do we go with for item exchange missions?

This one: [[De Rol Le Carapace]] 
Or this one: [[Tear of Light]] 
Or this one: [[Note Seed]] 
Or even this one: [[Paper Lantern]] 
Or even this one: [[Dogma Drop]] 
And as last: [[Petrified Rappy]] 

As you can see there are allot of styles, and if you search around a bit there will be even more styles. So which one will be best by you? My pick goes to the [[Tear of Light]]. Because it gives all the info needed. And it will make it easy to add new stuff :) --[[User:Niceone|Niceone]] 01:25, 23 november (GMT+1)
* Ah, yes. Good point. Tear of Light's style is the one I'm most fond of. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:EspioKaos

2009-12-06T05:31:06Z

F Gattaca:

== Naming schemes ==
As you noticed, I was going through several of the weapons pages and noting any multilingual references I could find. I wanted to talk to you about the naming scheme for common weapons, though:

Most of the 1 to 5 star common weapons take their names after similar common weapons in PSO. There's places where this convention breaks (like "Durandal" instead of "Gladius," or "Shooter" and "Bullseye" instead of "Beam" and "Laser"), but it seems to be more of an exception rather than a rule.

I noticed that the names for common shotguns follows the same pattern; PSO's common shotguns (in order of rarity) are ''Shot, Spread, Cannon, Launcher,'' and ''Arms''. In PSU, the order is similar: ''Shigga Damud, Shigga Spud, Shigga Wadda, Shigga Bigul, Shigga Amza.''

Some of the names for PSU shotguns sound somewhat similar to the PSO ones if spoken aloud; compare Wadda and Cannon. Shigga Spud and Shigga Amza popped out as being especially similar to Spread and Arms as far as names go. Looking at weapon types where all three companies make a weapon of the same rarity, you can see how a word changes from plain English (GRM) to pseudo-Japanese (Yohmei) to ... well, whatever inspired how Beasts talk (Tenora). For example: ''[[Breaker]]'', ''[[Brekaud]]'', and ''[[Soda Brekka]].''

That's why I figured that at least some of the common shotguns were named after PSO shots. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
* I can see a few of them maybe possibly being references (Spud and Amza), but the others are just a bit too far of a stretch to me, so they seem a bit more like grasping at straws, trying to force a ''PSO'' reference out of the name. (I keep saying "Wadda" and "Cannon" aloud, but all I'm hearing is something like "water cannon." lol) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
** Yeah, I do admit it's a stretch on a number of those, but having looked at other names with Beast-y words, well ... the Beasts ''really'' mangle words, so I figured that if two fit the pattern in terms of rank and name similarity, the others might also. Gur Neda sounds like "grenade" when pronounced out loud, for instance, and given it ''is'' a grenade launcher, it seems to be intentional ... Though I guess that doesn't stretch plausibility as much as Wadda / Cannon. (And yeah, it ''does'' sound like water cannon, haha.) - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 05:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

== PSP2 templates ==
* Few points and questions:
** Grinding is random like in PSP1, so a grind template might not really be worth it.
** Special effects on weapons are displayed in the weapon's stats now, are we still keeping them in the Item Details section?
** How are we going to handle final-grinded weapons? Two articles - e.g. Saber and Saber (S grade) - is probably the easiest option, but I was wondering if you had any ideas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
* I'm not sure about grinds being random anymore. I just fully upgraded three Brands, and each one increased the same amount with each grind. I was pretty sure they were supposed to be random, too, but maybe it was changed. Could just be a demo thing, so we'll see when the full version comes out.
* On special effects, we could add something to the stats table. I'll go over some ideas to see what I can come up with. Ultimately, I'd like to keep the stats table matched in height with the shop table, so I might spread everything out over six columns, and add a full span row on the bottom for the stats effects.
* For the Extend Code-upgraded weapons, the first thing to come to mind was a separate article for the S-grade weapon, as you said. It's possible we could include something in the normal article, but no decent ideas for what have come to mind yet. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== Question/Help ==
Could you take a look at my page and tell me why the Guide Bar is on the right side of my page please... when i "preview" it looks normal but when i clicked "save" it came up like that ... any help would be appreciated.. Thank You for your time and help [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]
* Ack, that's a first! I don't think I've ever seen that happen. If I had to guess, it seems like it's the div tags you're using. Maybe those coupled with certain wikicodes just kills the page. If you're just trying to get two columns with those tables in them, that can be done with a normal wikitable. I'll go ahead and fix it for you. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

lol yea i saved it and looked at it and was like WTF lmao ... had no idea what happened ... but i appreciate the help ... [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]

== Question ==
Just curious.....considering I keep getting modded making topics about "Alpal" and I am Alpal..could you stop modding me please? [[User:Dragon Striker|Dragon Striker]]
* So you started off by bashing yourself? Anyway, if you want to create a section for your character, then do it on your own user page; do not create a new wiki article for your character. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 2 March 2009 (CST)

== Status effects ==
Now that rifles can get to SE 5, what is the damage potential of Burn and Infection and any other SE that has a change at 5? - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]
* I'm not sure, to be completely honest. I believe the chances of infliction and the percent of damage inflicted go up at LV5, but I've got no clue about actual figures for it. Sorry! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 17 February 2009 (CST)
** Well, I can say for a certainty that it went up at SE 5. As to how much, I can only assume it follows the growth of the previous levels, so Burn will hit 30% total and Infection will hit 45%. It's an educated guess, but I've seen it doing more damage for me for sure. - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]

== Some changes on the PSP pages ==
For some reason I decided to start adding info to the non-existent pages. I've done some touches here and there. I have the PSP game and figure it was time to do my share (I was taking a break with pedia and games in general).

I updated some of the descriptions, added a few subcategories like titles. My plan is to get all the PA pages done and work on items. I don't know a lick of japanese so it makes things hard. If you have the game I could use some help with what items are what so I don't have to change my class, buy all the skills, and try them (I plan on doing that sometime later.) For the time being, I would love if anyone who has the game to make revisions/additions to what I've started. I don't post on the forums so I figured I would let you know since you seem to be the one with the most contributions to the PSP section. If I ever get motivated, I just might post on the forums. Thanks for all the help and any questions you have feel free to ask me.

[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 23:46, 16 September 2008 (CDT)
* Excellent. We appreciate the help! Unfortunately, I don't own the game (I don't even have a PSP, actually), but I plan on getting both eventually. I'll still help out with what I can, of course. When I have more free time, I'll be adding new weapon articles using the screens that Mewn made of each weapon from the in-game weapon library. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 08:42, 17 September 2008 (CDT)

*Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games? http://psupedia.info/PSP:Title_system has items with the exact same effect as they do in the other games (not just the only page). I wanted to know if there was a need for this. While rarity is changed for most items,the item effects are the same. If there is a need for new pages....this will be a fun time =/ [[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:06, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah. Basically, ''PSP'' is considered a completely separate game from ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'', just like the offline modes of those two are separate from online (as far as articles here are concerned). Which reminds me. I think it was in a sandbox of yours that you have the version column of a photon arts section listing the ''PSU'' icon for what is meant to be part of the ''PSP'' section. That should be changed since anything in a ''PSP'' article will relate only to that version of the game. Otherwise, it sort of implies that the handheld game is connected to the console title as if it were an expansion. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:14, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** 'Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games?' - the simple answer to this is yes, because items vary wildly between versions in many respects... stats, rarity, special effects, drops etc. and the simplest way of doing things on the wiki is simply to have seperate articles in the relevant namespace. It means more work, sure, but we just ask that people contribute as much as they can and put in as much effort as they are willing to. There's no pressure to get things done and this section will be largely ignored until US release, at least. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
***And about the US release, suppose the isn't one (as I have long predicted basic on some research) will the PSP section remain? Also, aside from Mewn, espio, and Miraglyph, who else is working on it because I'm only sure that I have the game and don't have others here to reference with. If any of you know of some the people on the pso-world forums that have the game and could pitch in, it would be great. By what I've seen, many of them have progress much further than I have. Also, outside of some stats, rarity, and few minor effects, the PSP version is identical to the past iterations at least as far as PAs, clothing, pallete items, and quite a few other things... -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 12:23, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
**** The section would remain. But for what it's worth, the SOA president has already let slip that a local release is in the works. We're still waiting for an official announcement, but I think it's safe to say we'll get it eventually. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:45, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
***** With the announcement of it coming next year I hope my saved data transfers. I would be quite ahead of the crowd and I could get so much more work done...But by that time the majority of info will be filled. Here's to hard work being overlooked by a translation in half a year. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:39, 19 October 2008 (CDT)

== PSP Meseta Page ==

Do you think a meseta page is necessary for the PSP section? I have it as an internal link that goes to Network mode but I can either make a page or not link it altogether. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 22:45, 18 October 2008 (CDT)
* Nah, I don't think it'd be terribly important. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:47, 18 October 2008 (CDT)

== question :P ==

i was wondering since i see you updating things here and there if you would know why in the hell i cant update or upload a png file... i tells me when i try that the file is either corrupt or has the wrong extention... which i know is wrong cause i had just exported it... i was going to replace all the icons with the ones actually used by the game (not screenshots but the actual images the game uses)... i had already updated the S/A/B/C rank icons but those were gif... everytime i try png i get the same error... any ideas as to why not working? or at least who i should ask on this if you dont know? --[[User:Mmsp15|MMSP15 Created1]] 11:52, 21 December 2008 (CST)
* I'm not sure, to be honest. Sounds like something was changed on the backend to disallow PNGs from being uploaded, but that's only a guess. Maybe Tycho, Qwerty or Mewn know something about it. If all else fails, we could convert the icons you've ripped from the game to GIF, upload those and update the affected templates with the new extension. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:26, 21 December 2008 (CST)
** I remember getting an error a while back when trying to upload .png files, but then I switched to .jpg, it went away, and I forgot about it. I'll see about asking dreamXG what the problem is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:42, 21 December 2008 (CST)

== About Rutsu. ==
In Story Mode, he changes into the Alterazgohg, doesn't he? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
* Nah, he only summons it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:48, 10 January 2009 (CST)
* Then why does he look exhauted when you defeat it? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
** He is overwhelmed about it ;) [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 11:35, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** That's what I'm thinking. I remember he gets all pissy about Alteraz being defeated so easily (since it was supposed to be the COG's ultimate weapon), so I'd say he's borderline hyperventilating from shock or something. There's nothing that really suggested to me that Rutsu transformed into this creature. Anyway, I'll be playing the mission again soon on the JP side (just got up to that chapter in my story mode runs), so I'll go over it to make sure when I do play through it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:41, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** It never even occurred to me that he is chaning into the Alteraz, he clearly explains they developed the creature, then he calls it out. Then he is very upset that you defeated his pride. [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 12:24, 11 January 2009 (CST)

== Units ==

I was wondering about the changes to a couple of the SUV pages. I don't think anything but Paradi Cataract drops. Unless you assume they might in the future. Besides that, there are already images for some of the other SUVs and I don't see why not. I'm guessing you're just using the standard for unit pages, but I figured to ask if you had any other ideas. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 19:46, 19 January 2009 (CST)
* Yeah, I just copy-pasted the blank template to update those. Guess I should've remembered to put the image gallery thing in. On the drop tables, I kept them there just for the sake of filling out the pages a bit more. Actually, now that I think of it, maybe I should poke at the template code a bit to make it where we can change "unknown" to "no drops" or something like that. Oh, and thanks for fixing those Buster SUVs I messed up. I just now realized that the 5★ rarity I gave them was from offline. >_< - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:01, 19 January 2009 (CST)
** I guess having both options would be good, but "unknown" would probably be preferable for keeping one. I was just wondering a bit what was going on with those articles earlier. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:15, 19 January 2009 (CST)

== Monsters ==

Sorry about the foul-up on which debuff the Kog Nadd uses after it charges. I thought it was Zalure, but then again, I'm not too familiar with TECHNICS... but yeah, thanks for correcting me on that. Misinformation is bad, and it feels even worse when I'm the one spreading it. --[[User:Sasuke1986|Sasuke1986]] 19:16, 28 January 2009 (CST)
* Minor thing. Nothing to worry about. ;) We appreciate your help with filling out the articles, of course. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 28 January 2009 (CST)

== hello ==

hi i'm new here. it's nice to meet you =) [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 20:24, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
* Hi, Amaury. Bypassed the ban, I see. Not for long! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:23, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*not really, we're trying a demo on a wireless modem, which gives us a different ISP [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 23:26, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
** Which means you bypassed the ban. Please enjoy this one. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:27, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*** That was really funny. The aftermath too with Amaury blaming me for reporting etc. More! Anyway I hope I'll get your card at some point big boy, I never got it. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 00:53, 27 March 2009 (CDT)

== question for Espio ==

I have a question. will that Photon art adjustments update that we will be getting soon also affect the npcs' PAs and PMs' PAs?

== Drop tiers ==

Is 200+ really necessary? The way things have been going, it seems to me like it might just go 175+ and cap off at 200. Even if they do go past it, it'll probably take quite a while. I think in this case it might be better to worry about it if/when it comes. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
* I guess technically it's not necessary (since only one enemy even hits LV200 so far). I just started throwing it in there as a head start so we won't have to add it to the templates later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== IRC ==

You can get more details to fill the pages on IRC. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Drop updates ==

I thought we weren't going to list drop changes if they actually didn't have another drop on the local servers in the first place. Even if that Deva-zashi board drop was real, it only seemed to apply to (The Protectors α+) for the two weeks that it was out in Japan, so it doesn't even really seem that major. I guess I'm just wondering about this for possible future local 'drop updates'. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Having some trouble ==

Hey Espio, I just registered here on PSUPedia. Figured I could give you guys a hand. But for some reason, I can't seem to verify my Email Address. Do you have a solution for this issue? --Anon Fire, 5:01 PM 9 October 2009
* Don't worry, you don't have to verify it. I know it tells you you have to, but it isn't actually required. Really, I don't even think we ever set up an email server at all when we changed hosts, so don't worry about not getting a confirmation email. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Clothes 'n' Parts ==

So I noticed Toothball's updates and I also noticed PSU-wiki now doesn't list the limit of the newer five color combos of each set. They're definitely in there...I just checked recently. I'm guessing these were probably in the June update? I know JP hasn't delisted the exception, but you don't think they put the original Rappy Suits into the random draw? --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
* Yeah, I'd guess they were included with June's update of the mission. As for the Rappy Suits, it's possible, but I really don't know. I'd test it out if I had the materials, but looking at what all it would require, I'd maybe be able to do it just once. D: - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== PSP weapons pics ==

* The guy with all those pretty PSP weapons released them on the uploader. Files 3419 and 3420. 拡張子Jpg→Zip and it works. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Standarization ==

If you want to put this trough then there must be 1 style... So which style do we go with for item exchange missions?

This one: [[De Rol Le Carapace]] 
Or this one: [[Tear of Light]] 
Or this one: [[Note Seed]] 
Or even this one: [[Paper Lantern]] 
Or even this one: [[Dogma Drop]] 
And as last: [[Petrified Rappy]] 

As you can see there are allot of styles, and if you search around a bit there will be even more styles. So which one will be best by you? My pick goes to the [[Tear of Light]]. Because it gives all the info needed. And it will make it easy to add new stuff :) --[[User:Niceone|Niceone]] 01:25, 23 november (GMT+1)
* Ah, yes. Good point. Tear of Light's style is the one I'm most fond of. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:EspioKaos

2009-12-05T03:42:03Z

F Gattaca:

== Naming schemes ==
As you noticed, I was going through several of the weapons pages and noting any multilingual references I could find. I wanted to talk to you about the naming scheme for common weapons, though:

Most of the 1 to 5 star common weapons take their names after similar common weapons in PSO. There's places where this convention breaks (like "Durandal" instead of "Gladius," or "Shooter" and "Bullseye" instead of "Beam" and "Laser"), but it seems to be more of an exception rather than a rule.

I noticed that the names for common shotguns follows the same pattern; PSO's common shotguns (in order of rarity) are ''Shot, Spread, Cannon, Launcher,'' and ''Arms''. In PSU, the order is similar: ''Shigga Damud, Shigga Spud, Shigga Wadda, Shigga Bigul, Shigga Amza.''

Some of the names for PSU shotguns sound somewhat similar to the PSO ones if spoken aloud; compare Wadda and Cannon. Shigga Spud and Shigga Amza popped out as being especially similar to Spread and Arms as far as names go. Looking at weapon types where all three companies make a weapon of the same rarity, you can see how a word changes from plain English (GRM) to pseudo-Japanese (Yohmei) to ... well, whatever inspired how Beasts talk (Tenora). For example: ''[[Breaker]]'', ''[[Brekaud]]'', and ''[[Soda Brekka]].''

That's why I figured that at least some of the common shotguns were named after PSO shots. - [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

== PSP2 templates ==
* Few points and questions:
** Grinding is random like in PSP1, so a grind template might not really be worth it.
** Special effects on weapons are displayed in the weapon's stats now, are we still keeping them in the Item Details section?
** How are we going to handle final-grinded weapons? Two articles - e.g. Saber and Saber (S grade) - is probably the easiest option, but I was wondering if you had any ideas. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
* I'm not sure about grinds being random anymore. I just fully upgraded three Brands, and each one increased the same amount with each grind. I was pretty sure they were supposed to be random, too, but maybe it was changed. Could just be a demo thing, so we'll see when the full version comes out.
* On special effects, we could add something to the stats table. I'll go over some ideas to see what I can come up with. Ultimately, I'd like to keep the stats table matched in height with the shop table, so I might spread everything out over six columns, and add a full span row on the bottom for the stats effects.
* For the Extend Code-upgraded weapons, the first thing to come to mind was a separate article for the S-grade weapon, as you said. It's possible we could include something in the normal article, but no decent ideas for what have come to mind yet. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== Question/Help ==
Could you take a look at my page and tell me why the Guide Bar is on the right side of my page please... when i "preview" it looks normal but when i clicked "save" it came up like that ... any help would be appreciated.. Thank You for your time and help [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]
* Ack, that's a first! I don't think I've ever seen that happen. If I had to guess, it seems like it's the div tags you're using. Maybe those coupled with certain wikicodes just kills the page. If you're just trying to get two columns with those tables in them, that can be done with a normal wikitable. I'll go ahead and fix it for you. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

lol yea i saved it and looked at it and was like WTF lmao ... had no idea what happened ... but i appreciate the help ... [[User:PrimevaLL|PrimevaLL]]

== Question ==
Just curious.....considering I keep getting modded making topics about "Alpal" and I am Alpal..could you stop modding me please? [[User:Dragon Striker|Dragon Striker]]
* So you started off by bashing yourself? Anyway, if you want to create a section for your character, then do it on your own user page; do not create a new wiki article for your character. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 2 March 2009 (CST)

== Status effects ==
Now that rifles can get to SE 5, what is the damage potential of Burn and Infection and any other SE that has a change at 5? - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]
* I'm not sure, to be completely honest. I believe the chances of infliction and the percent of damage inflicted go up at LV5, but I've got no clue about actual figures for it. Sorry! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 17 February 2009 (CST)
** Well, I can say for a certainty that it went up at SE 5. As to how much, I can only assume it follows the growth of the previous levels, so Burn will hit 30% total and Infection will hit 45%. It's an educated guess, but I've seen it doing more damage for me for sure. - [[User:Wolf of the Brigade|Wolf of the Brigade]]

== Some changes on the PSP pages ==
For some reason I decided to start adding info to the non-existent pages. I've done some touches here and there. I have the PSP game and figure it was time to do my share (I was taking a break with pedia and games in general).

I updated some of the descriptions, added a few subcategories like titles. My plan is to get all the PA pages done and work on items. I don't know a lick of japanese so it makes things hard. If you have the game I could use some help with what items are what so I don't have to change my class, buy all the skills, and try them (I plan on doing that sometime later.) For the time being, I would love if anyone who has the game to make revisions/additions to what I've started. I don't post on the forums so I figured I would let you know since you seem to be the one with the most contributions to the PSP section. If I ever get motivated, I just might post on the forums. Thanks for all the help and any questions you have feel free to ask me.

[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 23:46, 16 September 2008 (CDT)
* Excellent. We appreciate the help! Unfortunately, I don't own the game (I don't even have a PSP, actually), but I plan on getting both eventually. I'll still help out with what I can, of course. When I have more free time, I'll be adding new weapon articles using the screens that Mewn made of each weapon from the in-game weapon library. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 08:42, 17 September 2008 (CDT)

*Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games? http://psupedia.info/PSP:Title_system has items with the exact same effect as they do in the other games (not just the only page). I wanted to know if there was a need for this. While rarity is changed for most items,the item effects are the same. If there is a need for new pages....this will be a fun time =/ [[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:06, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** Yeah. Basically, ''PSP'' is considered a completely separate game from ''PSU'' and ''AOTI'', just like the offline modes of those two are separate from online (as far as articles here are concerned). Which reminds me. I think it was in a sandbox of yours that you have the version column of a photon arts section listing the ''PSU'' icon for what is meant to be part of the ''PSP'' section. That should be changed since anything in a ''PSP'' article will relate only to that version of the game. Otherwise, it sort of implies that the handheld game is connected to the console title as if it were an expansion. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:14, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
** 'Is there a need to have new pages for same weapon in the PSP section that the other games?' - the simple answer to this is yes, because items vary wildly between versions in many respects... stats, rarity, special effects, drops etc. and the simplest way of doing things on the wiki is simply to have seperate articles in the relevant namespace. It means more work, sure, but we just ask that people contribute as much as they can and put in as much effort as they are willing to. There's no pressure to get things done and this section will be largely ignored until US release, at least. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (CDT)
***And about the US release, suppose the isn't one (as I have long predicted basic on some research) will the PSP section remain? Also, aside from Mewn, espio, and Miraglyph, who else is working on it because I'm only sure that I have the game and don't have others here to reference with. If any of you know of some the people on the pso-world forums that have the game and could pitch in, it would be great. By what I've seen, many of them have progress much further than I have. Also, outside of some stats, rarity, and few minor effects, the PSP version is identical to the past iterations at least as far as PAs, clothing, pallete items, and quite a few other things... -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 12:23, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
**** The section would remain. But for what it's worth, the SOA president has already let slip that a local release is in the works. We're still waiting for an official announcement, but I think it's safe to say we'll get it eventually. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:45, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
***** With the announcement of it coming next year I hope my saved data transfers. I would be quite ahead of the crowd and I could get so much more work done...But by that time the majority of info will be filled. Here's to hard work being overlooked by a translation in half a year. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 13:39, 19 October 2008 (CDT)

== PSP Meseta Page ==

Do you think a meseta page is necessary for the PSP section? I have it as an internal link that goes to Network mode but I can either make a page or not link it altogether. -[[User:Tlbww|DawgPilez]] 22:45, 18 October 2008 (CDT)
* Nah, I don't think it'd be terribly important. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:47, 18 October 2008 (CDT)

== question :P ==

i was wondering since i see you updating things here and there if you would know why in the hell i cant update or upload a png file... i tells me when i try that the file is either corrupt or has the wrong extention... which i know is wrong cause i had just exported it... i was going to replace all the icons with the ones actually used by the game (not screenshots but the actual images the game uses)... i had already updated the S/A/B/C rank icons but those were gif... everytime i try png i get the same error... any ideas as to why not working? or at least who i should ask on this if you dont know? --[[User:Mmsp15|MMSP15 Created1]] 11:52, 21 December 2008 (CST)
* I'm not sure, to be honest. Sounds like something was changed on the backend to disallow PNGs from being uploaded, but that's only a guess. Maybe Tycho, Qwerty or Mewn know something about it. If all else fails, we could convert the icons you've ripped from the game to GIF, upload those and update the affected templates with the new extension. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:26, 21 December 2008 (CST)
** I remember getting an error a while back when trying to upload .png files, but then I switched to .jpg, it went away, and I forgot about it. I'll see about asking dreamXG what the problem is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:42, 21 December 2008 (CST)

== About Rutsu. ==
In Story Mode, he changes into the Alterazgohg, doesn't he? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
* Nah, he only summons it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:48, 10 January 2009 (CST)
* Then why does he look exhauted when you defeat it? - [[User:Punisher106|Punisher106]]
** He is overwhelmed about it ;) [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 11:35, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** That's what I'm thinking. I remember he gets all pissy about Alteraz being defeated so easily (since it was supposed to be the COG's ultimate weapon), so I'd say he's borderline hyperventilating from shock or something. There's nothing that really suggested to me that Rutsu transformed into this creature. Anyway, I'll be playing the mission again soon on the JP side (just got up to that chapter in my story mode runs), so I'll go over it to make sure when I do play through it. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 11:41, 11 January 2009 (CST)
** It never even occurred to me that he is chaning into the Alteraz, he clearly explains they developed the creature, then he calls it out. Then he is very upset that you defeated his pride. [[User:SabZero|Sab]] 12:24, 11 January 2009 (CST)

== Units ==

I was wondering about the changes to a couple of the SUV pages. I don't think anything but Paradi Cataract drops. Unless you assume they might in the future. Besides that, there are already images for some of the other SUVs and I don't see why not. I'm guessing you're just using the standard for unit pages, but I figured to ask if you had any other ideas. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 19:46, 19 January 2009 (CST)
* Yeah, I just copy-pasted the blank template to update those. Guess I should've remembered to put the image gallery thing in. On the drop tables, I kept them there just for the sake of filling out the pages a bit more. Actually, now that I think of it, maybe I should poke at the template code a bit to make it where we can change "unknown" to "no drops" or something like that. Oh, and thanks for fixing those Buster SUVs I messed up. I just now realized that the 5★ rarity I gave them was from offline. >_< - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:01, 19 January 2009 (CST)
** I guess having both options would be good, but "unknown" would probably be preferable for keeping one. I was just wondering a bit what was going on with those articles earlier. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 23:15, 19 January 2009 (CST)

== Monsters ==

Sorry about the foul-up on which debuff the Kog Nadd uses after it charges. I thought it was Zalure, but then again, I'm not too familiar with TECHNICS... but yeah, thanks for correcting me on that. Misinformation is bad, and it feels even worse when I'm the one spreading it. --[[User:Sasuke1986|Sasuke1986]] 19:16, 28 January 2009 (CST)
* Minor thing. Nothing to worry about. ;) We appreciate your help with filling out the articles, of course. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 28 January 2009 (CST)

== hello ==

hi i'm new here. it's nice to meet you =) [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 20:24, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
* Hi, Amaury. Bypassed the ban, I see. Not for long! - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:23, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*not really, we're trying a demo on a wireless modem, which gives us a different ISP [[User:NanoBeastDude|NanoBeastDude]] 23:26, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
** Which means you bypassed the ban. Please enjoy this one. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 23:27, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
*** That was really funny. The aftermath too with Amaury blaming me for reporting etc. More! Anyway I hope I'll get your card at some point big boy, I never got it. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 00:53, 27 March 2009 (CDT)

== question for Espio ==

I have a question. will that Photon art adjustments update that we will be getting soon also affect the npcs' PAs and PMs' PAs?

== Drop tiers ==

Is 200+ really necessary? The way things have been going, it seems to me like it might just go 175+ and cap off at 200. Even if they do go past it, it'll probably take quite a while. I think in this case it might be better to worry about it if/when it comes. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
* I guess technically it's not necessary (since only one enemy even hits LV200 so far). I just started throwing it in there as a head start so we won't have to add it to the templates later. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== IRC ==

You can get more details to fill the pages on IRC. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Drop updates ==

I thought we weren't going to list drop changes if they actually didn't have another drop on the local servers in the first place. Even if that Deva-zashi board drop was real, it only seemed to apply to (The Protectors α+) for the two weeks that it was out in Japan, so it doesn't even really seem that major. I guess I'm just wondering about this for possible future local 'drop updates'. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Having some trouble ==

Hey Espio, I just registered here on PSUPedia. Figured I could give you guys a hand. But for some reason, I can't seem to verify my Email Address. Do you have a solution for this issue? --Anon Fire, 5:01 PM 9 October 2009
* Don't worry, you don't have to verify it. I know it tells you you have to, but it isn't actually required. Really, I don't even think we ever set up an email server at all when we changed hosts, so don't worry about not getting a confirmation email. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Clothes 'n' Parts ==

So I noticed Toothball's updates and I also noticed PSU-wiki now doesn't list the limit of the newer five color combos of each set. They're definitely in there...I just checked recently. I'm guessing these were probably in the June update? I know JP hasn't delisted the exception, but you don't think they put the original Rappy Suits into the random draw? --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 06:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
* Yeah, I'd guess they were included with June's update of the mission. As for the Rappy Suits, it's possible, but I really don't know. I'd test it out if I had the materials, but looking at what all it would require, I'd maybe be able to do it just once. D: - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 13:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== PSP weapons pics ==

* The guy with all those pretty PSP weapons released them on the uploader. Files 3419 and 3420. 拡張子Jpg→Zip and it works. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 12:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Standarization ==

If you want to put this trough then there must be 1 style... So which style do we go with for item exchange missions?

This one: [[De Rol Le Carapace]] 
Or this one: [[Tear of Light]] 
Or this one: [[Note Seed]] 
Or even this one: [[Paper Lantern]] 
Or even this one: [[Dogma Drop]] 
And as last: [[Petrified Rappy]] 

As you can see there are allot of styles, and if you search around a bit there will be even more styles. So which one will be best by you? My pick goes to the [[Tear of Light]]. Because it gives all the info needed. And it will make it easy to add new stuff :) --[[User:Niceone|Niceone]] 01:25, 23 november (GMT+1)
* Ah, yes. Good point. Tear of Light's style is the one I'm most fond of. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Shigga Bigul

2009-12-03T19:38:09Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Shigga bigul.png|Shigga Bigul|thumb|right|A male human holding a Shigga Bigul.]]
''A powerful shotgun geared toward intermediate users. Produced illegally in small batches, its specs are high, but it's difficult to control.'' 
{{4 stars}}

== Item details ==
* Though obscured by the Beast language, ''Bigul'' is a reference to the ''PSO'' common shot(gun) ''Launcher.'' Both share similar rankings in terms of common weapon strength.

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 4
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 17
|PP= 939
|Att.= 51
|Acc.= 68}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= B
|Rarity= 4
|Mfr.= T
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Shigga Bigul}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 8600
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]], [[TENORA WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 4300
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 939
|PP1= 953
|PP2= 967
|PP3= 987
|PP4= 1010
|PP5= 1033
|PP6= 1053
|PP7= 1073
|PP8= 1093
|PP9= 1113
|PP10= 1135
|A0= 51
|A1= 53
|A2= 55
|A3= 57
|A4= 59
|A5= 61
|A6= 64
|A7= 67
|A8= 70
|A9= 74
|A10= 83}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Shotgun
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 30-39
|Type= Weapon
|Source2= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level2= 30-39
|Type2= Board}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Shigga bigul1.jpg|Shigga Bigul, side view.
Image:Shigga bigul2.jpg|Shigga Bigul, above view.
Image:Shigga bigul3.jpg|Shigga Bigul being fired.
</gallery>

[[Category:Shotguns]]

Shigga Wadda

2009-12-03T19:37:18Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Shigga wadda1.jpg|Shigga Wadda|thumb|right|Shigga Wadda]]
''A non-standard shotgun upgraded for intermediate users.'' 
{{3 stars}}

== Item details ==
* Though obscured by the Beast language, ''Wadda'' is a reference to the ''PSO'' common shot(gun) ''Cannon.'' Both share similar rankings in terms of common weapon strength.

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 3
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 49
|PP= 842
|Att.= 38
|Acc.= 52}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= C
|Rarity= 3
|Mfr.= T
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Shigga Wadda}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 2000
|Sell= 400
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]] [[T-WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 250
|[B] sell= 50
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 842
|PP1= 856
|PP2= 874
|PP3= 896
|PP4= 922
|PP5= 948
|PP6= 970
|PP7= 992
|PP8= 1014
|PP9= 1036
|PP10= 1058
|A0= 38
|A1= 40
|A2= 43
|A3= 46
|A4= 49
|A5= 52
|A6= 55
|A7= 59
|A8= 63
|A9= 68
|A10= 81}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Shotgun
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 20-29
|Type= Weapon
|Source2= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level2= 20-29
|Type2= Board}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Shigga wadda3.jpg|Shigga Wadda being fired.
Image:Shigga wadda2.jpg|Shigga Wadda, above view.

</gallery>

[[Category:Shotguns]]

Shigga Spud

2009-12-03T19:36:08Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Shigga spud3.jpg|Shigga Spud|thumb|right|A Shigga Spud being fired.]]
''A non-standard shotgun often used by rogues. Known for its solid feel and good power for the price.'' 
{{2 stars}}

== Item details ==
* Though obscured by the Beast language, ''Spud'' is a reference to the ''PSO'' common shot(gun) ''Spread.'' Both share similar rankings in terms of common weapon strength.
 

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 2
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 32
|PP= 777
|Att.= 25
|Acc.= 35}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= C
|Rarity= 2
|Mfr.= T
|Board= [B] Shigga Spud}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 800
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]], [[TENORA WORKS Shop|T-WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 350
|[B] sell= 17
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 777
|PP1= 793
|PP2= 809
|PP3= 831
|PP4= 857
|PP5= 883
|PP6= 905
|PP7= 927
|PP8= 949
|PP9= 971
|PP10= 1015
|A0= 25
|A1= 27
|A2= 30
|A3= 33
|A4= 36
|A5= 39
|A6= 42
|A7= 46
|A8= 50
|A9= 55
|A10= 68}}
||
{{New drop test
|Header= Y}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 10-19
|Ver.=
|Type= Weapon
|Category= Shotgun}}
{{New drop test
|Footer= Y
|Source= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level= 10-19
|Ver.=
|Type= Board}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Shigga spud1.jpg|Shigga Spud, side view.
Image:Shigga spud2.jpg|Shigga Spud, above view.
</gallery>

[[Category:Shotguns]]

Shigga Damud

2009-12-03T19:21:47Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Shigga damud1.jpg|Shigga Damud|thumb|right|A Shigga Damud.]]
''A mass-produced model shotgun popular for its solid feel.'' 
{{1 star}}

== Item details ==
*[[Set Bonuses|Set Bonus]]: 3 ATP, 4 ATA and 2 DFP when used with a [[Rabol Damud]].
*''Shigga'' appears to be the Beast language's word for ''shotgun.''

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 17
|PP= 648
|Att.= 12
|Acc.= 19}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= C
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= T
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Shigga Damud}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 350
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]], [[TENORA WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 180
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 648
|PP1= 664
|PP2= 680
|PP3= 702
|PP4= 728
|PP5= 754
|PP6= 776
|PP7= 798
|PP8= 820
|PP9= 842
|PP10= 864
|A0= 12
|A1= 14
|A2= 17
|A3= 20
|A4= 23
|A5= 26
|A6= 29
|A7= 33
|A8= 37
|A9= 42
|A10= 55}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Shotgun
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 1-9
|Type= Weapon
|Source2= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level2= 1-9
|Type2= Board}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Shigga damud3.jpg|Shigga Damud being fired.
Image:Shigga damud2.jpg|Shigga Damud, above view.
</gallery>

[[Category:Shotguns]]

Shigga Damud

2009-12-03T19:21:27Z

F Gattaca:

[[Image:Shigga damud1.jpg|Shigga Damud|thumb|right|A Shigga Damud.]]
''A mass-produced model shotgun popular for its solid feel.'' 
{{1 star}}

== Item details ==
*[[Set Bonuses|Set Bonus]]: 3 ATP, 4 ATA and 2 DFP when used with a [[Rabol Damud]].
*''Shigga'' appears to be the Beast's word for ''shotgun.''

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 17
|PP= 648
|Att.= 12
|Acc.= 19}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= C
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= T
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Shigga Damud}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 350
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]], [[TENORA WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 180
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 648
|PP1= 664
|PP2= 680
|PP3= 702
|PP4= 728
|PP5= 754
|PP6= 776
|PP7= 798
|PP8= 820
|PP9= 842
|PP10= 864
|A0= 12
|A1= 14
|A2= 17
|A3= 20
|A4= 23
|A5= 26
|A6= 29
|A7= 33
|A8= 37
|A9= 42
|A10= 55}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Shotgun
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 1-9
|Type= Weapon
|Source2= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level2= 1-9
|Type2= Board}}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Shigga damud3.jpg|Shigga Damud being fired.
Image:Shigga damud2.jpg|Shigga Damud, above view.
</gallery>

[[Category:Shotguns]]

Sandanoh

2009-12-03T19:20:09Z

F Gattaca:

{{AOTI only}}[[Image:Sandanoh.jpg|thumb|right|Sandanoh.]]
''A shotgun developed by Yohmei Corp. Based on technology provided by TENORA WORKS. Attacks multiple targets at once, but has low accuracy.'' 
{{1 star}}

== Item details ==
*This weapon's name is derived from the Japanese word for shotguns, ''sandanjuu''.

== Stats, synthesis, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= Y
|Ver.= AOTI
|Req.= 15
|PP= 709
|Att.= 10
|Acc.= 15}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= C
|Rarity= 1
|Mfr.= Y
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Sandanoh}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 350
|Sell=
|Shop= [[GRD-AS]], [[Yohmei Shop]]
|[B] buy= 180
|[B] sell=
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Ohtoku]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 709
|PP1= 753
|PP2= 793
|PP3= 828
|PP4= 859
|PP5= 890
|PP6= 925
|PP7= 969
|PP8= 1017
|PP9= 1078
|PP10= 1148
|A0= 10
|A1= 18
|A2= 25
|A3= 34
|A4= 42
|A5= 54
|A6= 61
|A7= 65
|A8= 71
|A9= 80
|A10= 90}}
||
{{Drop info
|Category= Shotgun
|Source=
|Level=
|Type=
|Source2=
|Level2=
|Type2= }}
|}
|}

== Image gallery ==
* No images currently exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Shotguns]]

Shigga Amza

2009-12-03T19:18:50Z

F Gattaca:

''A powerful shotgun used by high-ranking rogues, it carries a high-output reactor, as well as other modifications to increase power.'' 
{{5 stars}}

==Item details==
*Though obscured by the Beast language, ''Amza'' is a reference to the ''PSO'' common shot(gun) ''Arms.'' Both share similar rankings in terms of common weapon strength.

== Stats, pricing, etc. ==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Shotgun
|Rarity= 5
|Mfr.= T
|Ver.= PSU
|Req.= 105
|PP= 972
|Att.= 63
|Acc.= 83}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Shotgun
|Hands= 2
|Grade= B
|Rarity= 8
|Mfr.= T
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Shigga Amza}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy= 18500
|Sell= 3700
|Shop= [[TENORA WORKS Shop]]
|[B] buy= 9250
|[B] sell= 462
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]}}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Shotgun
|PP0= 972
|PP1= 986
|PP2= 1000
|PP3= 1020
|PP4= 1043
|PP5= 1066
|PP6= 1086
|PP7= 1106
|PP8= 1126
|PP9= 1146
|PP10= 1166
|A0= 63
|A1= 65
|A2= 67
|A3= 69
|A4= 71
|A5= 73
|A6= 76
|A7= 79
|A8= 82
|A9= 86
|A10= 95}}
|
{{New drop test
|Header= Y}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Vanda
|Level= 40-49
|Type= Weapon
|Category= shotgun}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Magas Maggahna
|Level= 40-49
|Type= Weapon
|Category= shotgun}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Special Ops (Solda)
|Level= 40-49
|Type= Board}}
{{New drop test
|Footer= Y
|Source= Dimmagolus
|Level= 40-49
|Type= Board}}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
* No images currently exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Shotguns]]

Azul Fire

2009-12-03T18:44:52Z

F Gattaca:

{{AotI Only}}[[Image:Azulfire.jpg|thumb|right|Azul Fire]]
''A grenade launcher developed by GRM. Powered by an unthinkable three active reactors for amazing destructive power.'' 
{{9 stars}}
== Item details ==
* ''Azul'' is Portugese for 'blue', a reference to the colour of the Azul Fire.
 
==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Weapon stats test
|Category= Grenade
|Rarity= 9
|Mfr.= G
|Ver.= AOTI
|Req.= 168
|PP= 1315
|Att.= 505
|Acc.= 114}}
||
{{Weapon synth board
|Type= Ranged
|Category= Grenade
|Hands= 2
|Grade= A
|Rarity= 9
|Mfr.= G
|Special=
|Photon=
|Board= [B] Azul Fire}}
||
{{Pricing info test
|Type= Weapon
|Buy=
|Sell= 50000
|Shop= Not for sale
|[B] buy= 165000
|[B] sell= 8250
|[B] shop= [[MA-GRMS: Holtes]]}}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{{Grinding info test
|Category= Grenade
|PP0= 1315
|PP1= 1347
|PP2= 1370
|PP3= 1393
|PP4= 1419
|PP5= 1448
|PP6= 1480
|PP7= 1515
|PP8= 1550
|PP9= 1588
|PP10= 1636
|A0= 505
|A1= 516
|A2= 524
|A3= 532
|A4= 541
|A5= 551
|A6= 562
|A7= 574
|A8= 586
|A9= 599
|A10= 615}}
||
{{New drop test
|Header= Y}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Mother Brain
|Level= 100-149
|Ver.= AOTI
|Type= Weapon
|Category= Grenade}}
{{New drop test
|Source= Gainozeros
|Level= 70-149
|Ver.= AOTI
|Type= Board
|Category= }}
{{New drop test
|Footer= Y
|Avail.= JP
|Source= Train Rescue
|Source type= Clear box
|Level= S3
|Ver.= AOTI
|Type= Weapon
|Category= Grenade}}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
* No images currently exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!

[[Category:Grenades]]

Special Ops (Kanohne)

2009-11-30T10:04:53Z

F Gattaca:

__NOTOC__
{{Enemy infobox
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Kanohne)
|Image= [[Image:Special_Ops_(Kanohne).jpg|center|200px]]
|Version= Phantasy Star Universe
|Enemy type= Humanoid
|Enemy size= Medium
|Classification= Normal enemy
|Elements= {{Neutral}}}}
Kanohne is an [[Endrum Collective]] Special Ops [[CAST]] that uses rifles. It will cast [[Resta]] when low on HP. It is very evasive and will roll way from danger.

== Abilities ==
* Cast [[Resta]] and [[Shifta]]
* Shot can cause [[Sleep]] and [[Blowdown]]

== Other notes ==
* This enemy's name is a derivative of the German word ''kanone'', meaning ''cannon.''

== Stats ==
{{Enemy stats
|HP= 180%
|ATP= 160%
|ATA= 80%
|TP= 200%
|DFP= 100%
|EVP= 100%
|MST= 130%
|STA= 100%
|EXP= 140%
|Leader boost=
|Attack boost=
|Defense boost=
|Burn= o
|Freeze= o
|Shock= o
|Silence= o
|Confuse= o
|Virus= o
|Poison= o
|Stun= o
|Sleep= o
|Incapacitate= o
|Jellen= o
|Zalure= o
|Zoldeel= o
|Half damage striking= x
|Half damage ranged= x
|Half damage TECHNIC= x}}

== Item drops ==
{{Special Ops (Kanohne) drop chart}}

== Image gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Special-Ops-(Kanohne).jpg|A single Special Ops (Kanohne).
</gallery>

[[Category:Humanoids]]

Special Ops (Solda)

2009-11-30T10:02:47Z

F Gattaca: ... It would help if I noticed where I was editing.

__NOTOC__
{{Enemy infobox
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Solda)
|Image= [[Image:Special_Ops_(Solda).jpg|center|200px]]
|Version= Phantasy Star Universe
|Enemy type= Humanoid
|Enemy size= Medium
|Classification= Normal enemy
|Elements= {{Neutral}}}}
The '''Solda''' unit within the Special Ops is composed of shotgun-wielding CASTs. Considering what they are, they are surprisingly durable, and their weapon of choice can make maneuvering on the battlefield awkward and difficult.

== Abilities ==
* Shoots a triple-bullet burst from a shotgun.

== Other notes ==
* ''Solda'' is a French form of the word ''soldat,'' meaning ''soldier.''

== Stats ==
{{Enemy stats
|HP= 180%
|ATP= 160%
|ATA= 80%
|TP= 200%
|DFP= 100%
|EVP= 100%
|MST= 130%
|STA= 100%
|EXP= 140%
|Leader boost=
|Attack boost=
|Defense boost=
|Burn= o
|Freeze= o
|Shock= o
|Silence= o
|Confuse= o
|Virus= o
|Poison= o
|Stun= o
|Sleep= o
|Incapacitate= o
|Jellen= o
|Zalure= o
|Zoldeel= o
|Half damage striking= x
|Half damage ranged= x
|Half damage TECHNIC= x}}

== Item drops ==
{{Special Ops (Solda) drop chart}}

== Image gallery ==
* No additional images exist for this enemy! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!


[[Category:Humanoids]]

Special Ops (Solda)

2009-11-30T10:01:13Z

F Gattaca: Taking after EpsioKaos' and noting name origins.

__NOTOC__
{{Enemy infobox
|Enemy name= Special Ops (Solda)
|Image= [[Image:Special_Ops_(Solda).jpg|center|200px]]
|Version= Phantasy Star Universe
|Enemy type= Humanoid
|Enemy size= Medium
|Classification= Normal enemy
|Elements= {{Neutral}}}}
The '''Solda''' unit within the Special Ops is composed of shotgun-wielding CASTs. Considering what they are, they are surprisingly durable, and their weapon of choice can make maneuvering on the battlefield awkward and difficult.

== Abilities ==
* ''Solda'' is a French form of the word ''soldat,'' meaning ''soldier.''
* Shoots a triple-bullet burst from a shotgun.

== Stats ==
{{Enemy stats
|HP= 180%
|ATP= 160%
|ATA= 80%
|TP= 200%
|DFP= 100%
|EVP= 100%
|MST= 130%
|STA= 100%
|EXP= 140%
|Leader boost=
|Attack boost=
|Defense boost=
|Burn= o
|Freeze= o
|Shock= o
|Silence= o
|Confuse= o
|Virus= o
|Poison= o
|Stun= o
|Sleep= o
|Incapacitate= o
|Jellen= o
|Zalure= o
|Zoldeel= o
|Half damage striking= x
|Half damage ranged= x
|Half damage TECHNIC= x}}

== Item drops ==
{{Special Ops (Solda) drop chart}}

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Gifts from Beyond Plus

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F Gattaca: Redirecting to Gifts from Beyond＋

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PSP:HK38 Combat

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#REDIRECT [[PSP:H＆K38 Combat]]

Partner machines

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F Gattaca: Checked my screenshots; also goes for EX Devices as far as I can tell.

This article describes partner machines known in Network Mode. For information more specific to Story and Extra Modes, see [[partner machines (offline)]].

==Description==
A partner machine, often abbreviated as PM, is a support machine assigned to each Guardian. A PM can be found in each [[Your Room|player's room]].

PMs have several functions, including:
* [[Item storage]] (300 stacks of items or up to 500 stacks with [[Nanotranser X]]).
* A [[SEED-Form Purge|training mission]].
* [[Item synthesis]].
* A list of various [[Synthesis_tips_%28script%29|synthesis tips]].
* [[Your room|Room]] features.
* [[Player shops|Player shop]] cashier.
* Battle-usable [[Partner characters|partner character]] (fourth-stage only).

==Statistics==

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Stat Name || Effect
|-
| Striking || Used in synthesizing Striking [[weapons]].
|-
| Ranged || Used in synthesizing Ranged [[weapons]].
|-
| TECH || Used in synthesizing TECHNIC [[weapons]].
|-
| Armor || Used in synthesizing [[line shields]].
|-
| Production Level || The sum of the four stats above, caps at 100. PM evolution occurs as this rises.
|-
| Battle Stat (B St) || A PM's efficiency in combat, caps at 200. A requirement for EX Evolution Devices.
|}

===Item Storage===

PMs start with 300 inventory slots. Each [[Nanotranser X]] adds 50 extra inventory slots to your PM. Up to four devices can be used, thus increasing your PM's storage by 200 items.

===Battle Stat. (B St)===

B St is raised through the completion of missions with the partner machine in the party. The mission's length and difficulty do not matter - the only determining factor is the rank achieved at the end of the mission:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Completion Rank || % of a B St level raised
|-
| S || 24%
|-
| A || ~15%
|-
| B || ~10%
|-
| C || ~5%
|}

===Production Level===

Striking, Ranged, TECH and Armor are raised through the use of the ''Give Item'' function. Select ''Give item'' from the ''P Machinery Function'' menu to show a list of items which the PM can consume. Each consumed item will [[Partner_machines#Feeding_chart|raise and/or lower]] synthesis stats by a number of points. One hundred points becomes one production level. Production level cannot be lowered without [[PM Device ZERO|resetting the PM]]. There is a limit to the number of items a PM can consume at one time:

* If you feed a PM one item, its "fed" count raises by 1.
* Once a PM's "fed" count reaches 100 it becomes "full" and cannot be fed.
* If a PM has not been fed for 12 hours ("full" or not), its "fed" count resets to 0.

PMs will not accept [[Synthesis boards]], [[Grinders]] or [[Presents]].

When the production level reaches twenty, fifty or eighty, the PM will evolve into a new form that varies according to the individual synthesis statistics. These distinct PM evolutions will be proficient at certain forms of [[item synthesis]]: Striking, Ranged or TECHNIC [[weapons]], and these given specializations will receive an increase in the success rate of that type of synthesis. No partner machine model can specialize in the production of [[line shields]].

* [[Partner machine feeding guide]]

The item [[PM Device ZERO]] is used to reset a partner machine: All of its statistics regress to 0 and it reverts to the model GH 101. However, items held in its storage, inserted [[synthesis boards]] and any [[item synthesis]] that has yet to complete will remain untouched. PM Device ZERO is subject to the same conditions as other items given to a PM (it adds to the amount it has been "fed", and cannot be used if it is "full").

=== Stages of evolution===

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Stage !! Prod. Lv. !! Name !! Appearance !! Prev. Model !! Req. Stats
|-
| 1 || 0-19 || GH 101 || [[Media:GH101.jpg|Red Orb]] || - || -
|-
| rowspan=2|2 || rowspan=2|20-49 || GH 201 || [[Media:GH-201.PNG|Blue Orb with arms]] || GH 101 || Striking ≥ 10
|-
| GH 202 || [[Media:GH-202.jpg|Green Orb with arms]] || GH 101 || Striking < 10
|-
| rowspan=4|3 || rowspan=4|50-79 || GH 301 || [[Media:GH301.jpg|Dragon]] || GH 201 || Striking ≥ 20
|-
| GH 302 || [[Media:GH302.jpg|Cat]] || GH 201 || Striking < 20
|-
| GH 303 || [[Media:GH303.jpg|Angel]] || GH 202 || TECH < 20
|-
| GH 304 || [[Media:GH304.jpg|Bird]] || GH 202 || TECH ≥ 20
|-
| rowspan=8|4 || rowspan=8|80-100 || GH 410 || [[Media:GH-410.jpg|Maid]] ([[Swords]])|| GH 301 || Striking ≥ 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 420 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-420.JPG|Gypsy]] ([[Claws]]) || GH 301 || Striking < 30
|-
| GH 302 || Ranged < 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 430 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-430.jpg|Farm Girl]] ([[Handguns]]) || GH 302 || Ranged ≥ 30
|-
| GH 303 || Ranged ≥ 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 440 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-440.jpg|Tomboy]] ([[Shotguns]]) || GH 303 || Ranged < 30
|-
| GH 304 || TECH < 30
|-
| GH 450 || [[Media:GH-450.jpg|Magician]] ([[Rods]]) || GH 304 || TECH ≥ 30
|}

=== Partner machines in combat ===

When PMs evolve to their fourth stage, they will grant their owner their own [[Partner Card]], allowing them to be added to the party as [[partner characters]].

PMs have combat behavior and equipment based on each model. See each partner machine's article for more specific information. A partner machines' production level and its components (Striking, Ranged, TECH, Armor) do not have any effect in battle. Their character level is 10 higher than their owner's.

As with all partner characters, only a party leader can call their partner machines into a party. Similarly, the PM is capable of taking damage, being incapacitated and self-reviving. They affect combat in the same way ordinary partner characters do. When in a party, PMs have the [[Photon Fortune]] of a CAST (female for GH 41X-46X, male for GH 470 and GH 480). However, since they cannot be the leader of a party, this doesn't affect the game in any way whatsoever.

== Evolutions ==

The three digits after the GH prefix refer to a PM's stage, series, and model, in that order. All PMs of the same series and same model are the same. For example, all GH 420s made from PM Device GH420s, EX Devices GH420s, GH 301s, or GH 302s, are the exact same GH 420.

PMs fed an upgrade device will change models. All evolution devices require a fourth stage PM, production level of eighty.

Partner machine upgrade devices have a series requirement. A PM Device GH4yx will work on any PM in the y series, not allowing a pm to change series.

Partner machine extra upgrade devices have a B St requirement. A EX Device GH4yx will work on any PM with enough B St, allowing a pm to change series.

Partner machines will not accept devices to become themselves. A GH 4yx cannot be fed an EX Device GH4yx or PM Device GH4yx.

*[[Your_Room_accessories#PM_upgrade_devices|PM evolution devices]]

=== [[GH 30x series]] ===

=== [[GH 41x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 410]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Always stays near owner, good with 2-handed swords. || [[Hanzo]] (7★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Spinning Break]], [[Sharp Twins]] (8★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Assault Crush]], [[Wandra]] (1★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 411]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Fiercely loyal, she never leaves her owner's side. || [[Calibur]] (5★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Tornado Break]], [[Death Dancer]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Splendor Crush]], [[Starra]] (2★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 412]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Fights and explores the battlefield to her heart's content. || [[Rapier]] (8★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Hanzo]] (7★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Spinning Break]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 413]] || Striking || With group. Stays with group. || Brave... as long as she's with everyone else. || [[Survivor]] (6★ G.R.M. Dagger) [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]], [[Asami-zashi]] (7★ Yohmei Dagger) [[Hikai Shuha-zan]], [[Halp Serafi]] (10★ Kubara Dagger) [[Buten Shuren-zan]], [[Scepter]] (4★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]]||

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 414]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || She runs at enemies, and if that doesn't work, tries again. || [[Double Saber]] (7★ G.R.M. Double Saber) [[Tornado Dance]], [[Sweet Death]] (10★ G.R.M. Double Saber) [[Gravity Dance]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Hegel Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 42x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 420]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Wanders around the battle and attacks enemies with claws. || [[Ga-Misaki]] (8★ Yohmei Claw) [[Senten Kanzan-ga]], [[Shintsuki-zashi]] (7★ Yohmei Twin Dagger) [[Hishou Jinren-zan]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 421]] || Striking || Support. Support. || Attacks with claws, and heals friends with items. || [[Giza-Misaki]] (9★ Yohmei Claw) [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]], [[Mijin-Misaki]] (8★ Yohmei Twin Claws) [[Renzan Seidan-ga]], [[Starra]] (2★ Yohmei wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 422]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || A plucky fighter who beats down foes with an iron fist. || [[Gudda Breba]] (7★ TENORA Knuckles) [[Bogga Danga]], [[Gudda Godda]] (8★ TENORA Knuckles) [[Bogga Zubba]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 423]] || Striking || With group. Stays with group. || Team player who speaks softly and carries a big spear. || [[Berdys]] (6★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Majarra]], [[Mukfet]] (8★ TENORA Spear) [[Dus Robado]], [[Misaki]] (7★ Yohmei Claw) [[Senten Kanzan-ga]], [[Baton]] (3★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 424]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || She'll be someplace in battle, fighting using her axe. || [[Ank Barde]] (8★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Dugrega]], [[Ank Tomho]] (7★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Jabroga]], Neutral-[[element]] [[Ank Dedda]] (10★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Redda]], [[Baton]] (3★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Rafal Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 43x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 430]] || Firearms || With group. Stays with group. || Team player who enjoys working with her owner. || [[Burst]] (8★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Frozen Shot]], [[Beamgun]] (7★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Frozen Hit]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 431]] || Firearms || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Follows her owner, close. Stops only to shoot enemies. || [[Falchion]] (6★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Raygun]] (8★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Mayalee Hit]], [[Assassin]] (7★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Dark Shot]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 432]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Lays down cover stop enemies from hurting her owner. || [[Buster]] (3★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Cubo Dunga]] (8★ TENORA Crossbow) [[Yak Maga]], [[Bulletmaster]](7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Rising]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 433]] || Firearms || With group. Stays with group. || Helps the team by mowing foes down with her machinegun. || [[Meteor Cannon]] (10★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Frozen Prism]], [[Battlestopper]] (12★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Freeze]], [[Arb Rega]] (6★ TENORA Twin Handgun) [[Twin Mayalee]], [[Slyrod]] (4★ Yohmei Rod) [[Resta]], [[Shifta]], [[Deband]], [[Zodial]], ||

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 434]] || Firearms || Support. Support. || A born sniper, accurate with her gun and healing. || [[Killer Elite]] (12★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Killer Shot]], [[Blackbull]] (10★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Mayalee Shot]], [[Falgohoh]] (6★ Yohmei Rifle) [[Burning Shot]], [[W'ganba]] (3★ TENORA Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Blitz Attacker]]

|-
|}

*It was previously noted that the GH 434's [[Blackbull]] was linked to an unreleased rifle [[Bullets|bullet]] which caused [[stun]], but it turns out that it's just plain old [[Mayalee Shot]] which causes [[sleep]]. I've also done testing with the bullet in her [[Killer Elite]] and it is in fact [[Killer Shot]].

=== [[GH 44x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 440]] || Firearms || Calculating. Front lines. || Uses a shotgun to attack enemies with wild abandon. || [[Shigga Boma]] (7★ TENORA Shotgun) [[Barada Inga]], [[Evil Twins]] (8★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Plasma]], [[Canara]] (5★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 441]] || Firearms || Independent. Autonomous. || A loose cannon, but still useful. || [[Partizan]] (4★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Daggas]], [[Shigga Brada]] (8★ TENORA Shotgun) [[Barada Chamga]], [[Bulletmaster]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Grav]], [[Canara]] (5★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 442]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Backs up her owner by riddling enemies with bullets. || [[Pike]] (2★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Daggas]], [[Hirokteri]] (10★ Yohmei Bow) [[Masei-sou]], [[Bulletmaster]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Rising]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 443]] || Firearms || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Hides her ID with sunglasses and her huge weapon. || [[Laser Cannon]] (7★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Burning Prism]], [[Thunder Cannon]] (9★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Plasma Prism]], [[Needle Cannon]] (11★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Frozen Prism]], [[Crozier]] (6★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 444]] || Firearms || Support. Support. || Holds a big weapon, but better at support than combat. || [[Gur Bazga]] (10★ TENORA Grenade) [[Boma Yoga]], [[Thunder Cannon]] (9★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Burning Prism]], [[Maser Cannon]] (8★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Plasma Prism]], [[Slyrod]] (4★ Yohmei Rod) [[Resta]] || [[Grom Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 45x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 450]] || TECHNIC || Support. Cover fire. || Heals owner and attacks enemies. TECHNICs: Atk/Heal || [[Hajirod]] (5★ Yohmei Rod) [[Foie]], [[Rafoie]], [[Jellen]], [[Resta]], [[Granarod]] (7★ Yohmei Rod) [[Foie]], [[Rafoie]], [[Gifoie]], [[Resta]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 451]] || TECHNIC || Independent. Autonomous. || The self-proclaimed Ice Queen. TECHNICs: Ice || [[Majimra]] (9★ Yohmei Wand) [[Barta]], [[Gibarta]], [[Cometara]] (7★ Yohmei Wand) [[Rabarta]], [[Resta]], [[Halarod]] (10★ Yohmei Rod) [[Barta]], [[Gibarta]], [[Rabarta]], [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 452]] || TECHNIC|| Support. Support. || A pacifist, but get her angry... TECHNICs: LTNG/support || [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Razonde]], [[Gizonde]], [[Shifta]], [[Resta]], [[Majimra]] (9★ Yohmei Wand) [[Zonde]], [[Zodial]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] and [[Rentis]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 453]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Backs up her owner with throwing blades. || [[Kikami]] (7★ Yohmei Card) [[Bullets|Masei-shiki]], [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Rafoie]], [[Gizonde]], [[Hajirod]] (5★ Yohmei Rod) [[Gifoie]], [[Razonde]], [[Rentis]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 454]] || TECHNIC || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Helps her owner with healing and fighting. TECHNICs: Support|| [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Diga]], [[Radiga]], [[Gidiga]], [[Resta]], [[Tomoirod]] (6★ Yohmei Rod) [[Jellen]], [[Zalure]], [[Zoldeel]], [[W'gasep]] (4★ TENORA Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Meteor Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 46x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 461]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Flighty and willful, but deadly with blades in each hand. || [[Brand]] (2★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Aldaga Rippa]] (5★ TENORA Twin Daggers) [[Hishou Jinren-zan]], [[Fuka-Misaki]] (10★ Yohmei Twin Claws) [[Rensan Senshou-ga]], [[Luciel]] (3★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Resta]], || [[Gigas Faust]]

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 462]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || Runs around like a kid at the beach... with twin daggers. || ? || ?

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 463]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Can't stand to be far from her owner for too long. || ? || ?

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 464]] || TECHNIC || Front lines. Front lines. || A young girl, uses both light and dark. TECHNICs: ATK/Buff || ? || ?

|-
| [[GH 465]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Protects her owner with twin handguns. || [[Powergun]] (2★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Burning Hit]], [[Dual Beatgun]] (5★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Burn]], [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Zonde]], [[Zoldeel]], [[Resta]], [[Halarod]] (10★ Yohmei Rod) [[Barta]], [[Zalure]], [[Resta]], [[Viedima]] (6★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], [[Reverser]], [[Retier]], || [[Gigas Faust]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 47x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 470]] || none || Support. Support. || An eager, young G.R.M. helper. || [[Kohibumiteri]] (10★ Kubara Bow) [[Masei-sou]], [[Helixen]] (2★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Razonde]], [[Rafoie]], [[Resta]], ([[Rabbit Wand]]) (12★ Kubara Rod) [[Foie]], [[Diga]], [[Barta]], [[Megid]], [[Magical Wand]] (9★ Kubara Wand) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], || ([[Lapia Fluge]])

|-
|}

=== [[GH 48x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 480]] || none || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || The ideal butler -- loyal and proper, even in battle. || [[Bouquet]] (5★ Kubara Saber) [[Spinning Strike]], [[Gekitsnata]] (10★ Yohmei Spear) [[Dus Majarra]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], || [[Paradi Cataract]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 49x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- {{JP item}}
| [[GH 490]] || none || Calculating. || ? || [[Ank Bico/C]] (9★ Kubara Axe) [[Anga Redda]], [[Two-headed Ragnus]] (10★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Splendor Crush]], [[Pumpkinhead]] (3★ Kubara Rod) [[Resta]], || [[Ascension Gift]]

|-
|}

== Feeding chart ==

{| class="wikitable"
! [[Item Type]] !! [[Stat]] !! 1★ !! 2★ !! 3★ !! 4★ !! 5★ !! 6★ !! 7★ !! 8★ !! 9★ !! 10★ !! 11★ !! 12★
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Recovery Items|Restoratives]] / [[Booster items]] / [[Foods]] / [[PA Fragments]]
| Striking || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| TECHNIC || +1 || +2 || +2 || +3 || +3 || +4 || +4 || +5 || +5 || +6 || +6 || +7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Traps]]
| Ranged || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Melee weapons]]
| Striking || +4 || +8 || +12 || +16 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Ranged weapons]]
| Ranged || +4 || +8 || +12 || +15 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| Armor || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Casting weapons]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| TECHNIC || +4 || +8 || +12 || +16 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Line shields]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| Armor || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| rowspan=3 | [[Units]]
| Ranged || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| Armor || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
! [[Item Type]] !! [[Stat]] !! 1★ !! 2★ !! 3★ !! 4★ !! 5★ !! 6★ !! 7★ !! 8★ !! 9★ !! 10★ !! 11★ !! 12★
|-
| [[Clothes]]
| Armor || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Parts]]
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| Armor || +5 || +8 || +10 || +13 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +23 || +25 || +30 || +33 || +36
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Synthesis Ingredients|Ingredients]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -3 || -3
|-
| Ranged || +1 || +2 || +2 || +3 || +3 || +4 || +4 || +5 || +5 || +6 || +6 || +7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Skill disks]]
| Striking || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Bullet disks]]
| Ranged || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| Armor || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[TECHNIC disks]]
| Striking || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| TECHNIC || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| [[Ornaments]]
| Armor || +2 || +3 || +4 || +5 || +6 || +7 || +8 || +9 || +10 || +11 || +12 || +13
|}

== Feeding responses ==

No matter what the model or what stage of evolution it is, all partner machines have the same responses when feeding on an item, based on the item's [[star rarity]] or function.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! [[Item Type]] !! Response
|-
| 1★-2★
| This doesn't taste very fresh...
|-
| 3★-4★
| It tastes... interesting.
|-
| 5★-6★
| Munch munch...
|-
| 7★-8★
| This could use a little salt.
|-
| 9★-10★
| A complex but bold flavor!
|-
| 11★-12★
| Mm! This is good!
|-
| 13★-14★
| I can't believe anything could taste this good!
|-
| 15★
| (???)
|-
| [[PM Device]] and [[EX Device]]
| Mm! Tasty!
|-
|}

== External Links ==
* [http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/html/DB2FA5D1A1BCA5C8A5CAA1BCA5DEA5B7A5CAA5EAA1BC.html PSU-Wiki's article] (Japanese)

{{Gameplay}}

Partner machines

2008-10-01T12:09:29Z

F Gattaca: I saw no data on this, and was curious; I fed my PM some ore to find out.

This article describes partner machines known in Network Mode. For information more specific to Story and Extra Modes, see [[partner machines (offline)]].

==Description==
A partner machine, often abbreviated as PM, is a support machine assigned to each Guardian. A PM can be found in each [[Your Room|player's room]].

PMs have several functions, including:
* [[Item storage]] (300 stacks of items or up to 500 stacks with [[Nanotranser X]]).
* A [[SEED-Form Purge|training mission]].
* [[Item synthesis]].
* A list of various [[Synthesis_tips_%28script%29|synthesis tips]].
* [[Your room|Room]] features.
* [[Player shops|Player shop]] cashier.
* Battle-usable [[Partner characters|partner character]] (fourth-stage only).

==Statistics==

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Stat Name || Effect
|-
| Striking || Used in synthesizing Striking [[weapons]].
|-
| Ranged || Used in synthesizing Ranged [[weapons]].
|-
| TECH || Used in synthesizing TECHNIC [[weapons]].
|-
| Armor || Used in synthesizing [[line shields]].
|-
| Production Level || The sum of the four stats above, caps at 100. PM evolution occurs as this rises.
|-
| Battle Stat (B St) || A PM's efficiency in combat, caps at 200. A requirement for EX Evolution Devices.
|}

===Item Storage===

PMs start with 300 inventory slots. Each [[Nanotranser X]] adds 50 extra inventory slots to your PM. Up to four devices can be used, thus increasing your PM's storage by 200 items.

===Battle Stat. (B St)===

B St is raised through the completion of missions with the partner machine in the party. The mission's length and difficulty do not matter - the only determining factor is the rank achieved at the end of the mission:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Completion Rank || % of a B St level raised
|-
| S || 24%
|-
| A || ~15%
|-
| B || ~10%
|-
| C || ~5%
|}

===Production Level===

Striking, Ranged, TECH and Armor are raised through the use of the ''Give Item'' function. Select ''Give item'' from the ''P Machinery Function'' menu to show a list of items which the PM can consume. Each consumed item will [[Partner_machines#Feeding_chart|raise and/or lower]] synthesis stats by a number of points. One hundred points becomes one production level. Production level cannot be lowered without [[PM Device ZERO|resetting the PM]]. There is a limit to the number of items a PM can consume at one time:

* If you feed a PM one item, its "fed" count raises by 1.
* Once a PM's "fed" count reaches 100 it becomes "full" and cannot be fed.
* If a PM has not been fed for 12 hours ("full" or not), its "fed" count resets to 0.

PMs will not accept [[Synthesis boards]], [[Grinders]] or [[Presents]].

When the production level reaches twenty, fifty or eighty, the PM will evolve into a new form that varies according to the individual synthesis statistics. These distinct PM evolutions will be proficient at certain forms of [[item synthesis]]: Striking, Ranged or TECHNIC [[weapons]], and these given specializations will receive an increase in the success rate of that type of synthesis. No partner machine model can specialize in the production of [[line shields]].

* [[Partner machine feeding guide]]

The item [[PM Device ZERO]] is used to reset a partner machine: All of its statistics regress to 0 and it reverts to the model GH 101. However, items held in its storage, inserted [[synthesis boards]] and any [[item synthesis]] that has yet to complete will remain untouched. PM Device ZERO is subject to the same conditions as other items given to a PM (it adds to the amount it has been "fed", and cannot be used if it is "full").

=== Stages of evolution===

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Stage !! Prod. Lv. !! Name !! Appearance !! Prev. Model !! Req. Stats
|-
| 1 || 0-19 || GH 101 || [[Media:GH101.jpg|Red Orb]] || - || -
|-
| rowspan=2|2 || rowspan=2|20-49 || GH 201 || [[Media:GH-201.PNG|Blue Orb with arms]] || GH 101 || Striking ≥ 10
|-
| GH 202 || [[Media:GH-202.jpg|Green Orb with arms]] || GH 101 || Striking < 10
|-
| rowspan=4|3 || rowspan=4|50-79 || GH 301 || [[Media:GH301.jpg|Dragon]] || GH 201 || Striking ≥ 20
|-
| GH 302 || [[Media:GH302.jpg|Cat]] || GH 201 || Striking < 20
|-
| GH 303 || [[Media:GH303.jpg|Angel]] || GH 202 || TECH < 20
|-
| GH 304 || [[Media:GH304.jpg|Bird]] || GH 202 || TECH ≥ 20
|-
| rowspan=8|4 || rowspan=8|80-100 || GH 410 || [[Media:GH-410.jpg|Maid]] ([[Swords]])|| GH 301 || Striking ≥ 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 420 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-420.JPG|Gypsy]] ([[Claws]]) || GH 301 || Striking < 30
|-
| GH 302 || Ranged < 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 430 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-430.jpg|Farm Girl]] ([[Handguns]]) || GH 302 || Ranged ≥ 30
|-
| GH 303 || Ranged ≥ 30
|-
| rowspan=2| GH 440 || rowspan=2| [[Media:GH-440.jpg|Tomboy]] ([[Shotguns]]) || GH 303 || Ranged < 30
|-
| GH 304 || TECH < 30
|-
| GH 450 || [[Media:GH-450.jpg|Magician]] ([[Rods]]) || GH 304 || TECH ≥ 30
|}

=== Partner machines in combat ===

When PMs evolve to their fourth stage, they will grant their owner their own [[Partner Card]], allowing them to be added to the party as [[partner characters]].

PMs have combat behavior and equipment based on each model. See each partner machine's article for more specific information. A partner machines' production level and its components (Striking, Ranged, TECH, Armor) do not have any effect in battle. Their character level is 10 higher than their owner's.

As with all partner characters, only a party leader can call their partner machines into a party. Similarly, the PM is capable of taking damage, being incapacitated and self-reviving. They affect combat in the same way ordinary partner characters do. When in a party, PMs have the [[Photon Fortune]] of a CAST (female for GH 41X-46X, male for GH 470 and GH 480). However, since they cannot be the leader of a party, this doesn't affect the game in any way whatsoever.

== Evolutions ==

The three digits after the GH prefix refer to a PM's stage, series, and model, in that order. All PMs of the same series and same model are the same. For example, all GH 420s made from PM Device GH420s, EX Devices GH420s, GH 301s, or GH 302s, are the exact same GH 420.

PMs fed an upgrade device will change models. All evolution devices require a fourth stage PM, production level of eighty.

Partner machine upgrade devices have a series requirement. A PM Device GH4yx will work on any PM in the y series, not allowing a pm to change series.

Partner machine extra upgrade devices have a B St requirement. A EX Device GH4yx will work on any PM with enough B St, allowing a pm to change series.

Partner machines will not accept devices to become themselves. A GH 4yx cannot be fed an EX Device GH4yx or PM Device GH4yx.

*[[Your_Room_accessories#PM_upgrade_devices|PM evolution devices]]

=== [[GH 30x series]] ===

=== [[GH 41x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 410]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Always stays near owner, good with 2-handed swords. || [[Hanzo]] (7★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Spinning Break]], [[Sharp Twins]] (8★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Assault Crush]], [[Wandra]] (1★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 411]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Fiercely loyal, she never leaves her owner's side. || [[Calibur]] (5★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Tornado Break]], [[Death Dancer]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Splendor Crush]], [[Starra]] (2★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 412]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Fights and explores the battlefield to her heart's content. || [[Rapier]] (8★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Hanzo]] (7★ G.R.M. Sword) [[Spinning Break]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 413]] || Striking || With group. Stays with group. || Brave... as long as she's with everyone else. || [[Survivor]] (6★ G.R.M. Dagger) [[Shunbu Shouren-zan]], [[Asami-zashi]] (7★ Yohmei Dagger) [[Hikai Shuha-zan]], [[Halp Serafi]] (10★ Kubara Dagger) [[Buten Shuren-zan]], [[Scepter]] (4★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]]||

|- style="background:#fdd"
| [[GH 414]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || She runs at enemies, and if that doesn't work, tries again. || [[Double Saber]] (7★ G.R.M. Double Saber) [[Tornado Dance]], [[Sweet Death]] (10★ G.R.M. Double Saber) [[Gravity Dance]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Hegel Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 42x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 420]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Wanders around the battle and attacks enemies with claws. || [[Ga-Misaki]] (8★ Yohmei Claw) [[Senten Kanzan-ga]], [[Shintsuki-zashi]] (7★ Yohmei Twin Dagger) [[Hishou Jinren-zan]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 421]] || Striking || Support. Support. || Attacks with claws, and heals friends with items. || [[Giza-Misaki]] (9★ Yohmei Claw) [[Shousen Totsuzan-ga]], [[Mijin-Misaki]] (8★ Yohmei Twin Claws) [[Renzan Seidan-ga]], [[Starra]] (2★ Yohmei wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 422]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || A plucky fighter who beats down foes with an iron fist. || [[Gudda Breba]] (7★ TENORA Knuckles) [[Bogga Danga]], [[Gudda Godda]] (8★ TENORA Knuckles) [[Bogga Zubba]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 423]] || Striking || With group. Stays with group. || Team player who speaks softly and carries a big spear. || [[Berdys]] (6★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Majarra]], [[Mukfet]] (8★ TENORA Spear) [[Dus Robado]], [[Misaki]] (7★ Yohmei Claw) [[Senten Kanzan-ga]], [[Baton]] (3★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#ddf"
| [[GH 424]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || She'll be someplace in battle, fighting using her axe. || [[Ank Barde]] (8★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Dugrega]], [[Ank Tomho]] (7★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Jabroga]], Neutral-[[element]] [[Ank Dedda]] (10★ TENORA Axe) [[Anga Redda]], [[Baton]] (3★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Rafal Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 43x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 430]] || Firearms || With group. Stays with group. || Team player who enjoys working with her owner. || [[Burst]] (8★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Frozen Shot]], [[Beamgun]] (7★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Frozen Hit]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 431]] || Firearms || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Follows her owner, close. Stops only to shoot enemies. || [[Falchion]] (6★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Raygun]] (8★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Mayalee Hit]], [[Assassin]] (7★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Dark Shot]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 432]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Lays down cover stop enemies from hurting her owner. || [[Buster]] (3★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Cubo Dunga]] (8★ TENORA Crossbow) [[Yak Maga]], [[Bulletmaster]](7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Rising]], [[Septara]] (4★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 433]] || Firearms || With group. Stays with group. || Helps the team by mowing foes down with her machinegun. || [[Meteor Cannon]] (10★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Frozen Prism]], [[Battlestopper]] (12★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Freeze]], [[Arb Rega]] (6★ TENORA Twin Handgun) [[Twin Mayalee]], [[Slyrod]] (4★ Yohmei Rod) [[Resta]], [[Shifta]], [[Deband]], [[Zodial]], ||

|- style="background:#bff"
| [[GH 434]] || Firearms || Support. Support. || A born sniper, accurate with her gun and healing. || [[Killer Elite]] (12★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Killer Shot]], [[Blackbull]] (10★ G.R.M. Rifle) [[Mayalee Shot]], [[Falgohoh]] (6★ Yohmei Rifle) [[Burning Shot]], [[W'ganba]] (3★ TENORA Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Blitz Attacker]]

|-
|}

*It was previously noted that the GH 434's [[Blackbull]] was linked to an unreleased rifle [[Bullets|bullet]] which caused [[stun]], but it turns out that it's just plain old [[Mayalee Shot]] which causes [[sleep]]. I've also done testing with the bullet in her [[Killer Elite]] and it is in fact [[Killer Shot]].

=== [[GH 44x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 440]] || Firearms || Calculating. Front lines. || Uses a shotgun to attack enemies with wild abandon. || [[Shigga Boma]] (7★ TENORA Shotgun) [[Barada Inga]], [[Evil Twins]] (8★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Plasma]], [[Canara]] (5★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 441]] || Firearms || Independent. Autonomous. || A loose cannon, but still useful. || [[Partizan]] (4★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Daggas]], [[Shigga Brada]] (8★ TENORA Shotgun) [[Barada Chamga]], [[Bulletmaster]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Grav]], [[Canara]] (5★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 442]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Backs up her owner by riddling enemies with bullets. || [[Pike]] (2★ G.R.M. Spear) [[Dus Daggas]], [[Hirokteri]] (10★ Yohmei Bow) [[Masei-sou]], [[Bulletmaster]] (7★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Rising]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 443]] || Firearms || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Hides her ID with sunglasses and her huge weapon. || [[Laser Cannon]] (7★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Burning Prism]], [[Thunder Cannon]] (9★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Plasma Prism]], [[Needle Cannon]] (11★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Frozen Prism]], [[Crozier]] (6★ G.R.M. Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#dfd"
| [[GH 444]] || Firearms || Support. Support. || Holds a big weapon, but better at support than combat. || [[Gur Bazga]] (10★ TENORA Grenade) [[Boma Yoga]], [[Thunder Cannon]] (9★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Burning Prism]], [[Maser Cannon]] (8★ G.R.M. Laser) [[Plasma Prism]], [[Slyrod]] (4★ Yohmei Rod) [[Resta]] || [[Grom Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 45x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 450]] || TECHNIC || Support. Cover fire. || Heals owner and attacks enemies. TECHNICs: Atk/Heal || [[Hajirod]] (5★ Yohmei Rod) [[Foie]], [[Rafoie]], [[Jellen]], [[Resta]], [[Granarod]] (7★ Yohmei Rod) [[Foie]], [[Rafoie]], [[Gifoie]], [[Resta]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 451]] || TECHNIC || Independent. Autonomous. || The self-proclaimed Ice Queen. TECHNICs: Ice || [[Majimra]] (9★ Yohmei Wand) [[Barta]], [[Gibarta]], [[Cometara]] (7★ Yohmei Wand) [[Rabarta]], [[Resta]], [[Halarod]] (10★ Yohmei Rod) [[Barta]], [[Gibarta]], [[Rabarta]], [[Resta]] || [[Tero / HP Restore]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 452]] || TECHNIC|| Support. Support. || A pacifist, but get her angry... TECHNICs: LTNG/support || [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Razonde]], [[Gizonde]], [[Shifta]], [[Resta]], [[Majimra]] (9★ Yohmei Wand) [[Zonde]], [[Zodial]], [[Batnara]] (3★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] and [[Rentis]] || [[Sturm Buster]]

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 453]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Backs up her owner with throwing blades. || [[Kikami]] (7★ Yohmei Card) [[Bullets|Masei-shiki]], [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Rafoie]], [[Gizonde]], [[Hajirod]] (5★ Yohmei Rod) [[Gifoie]], [[Razonde]], [[Rentis]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]] ||

|- style="background:#fdf"
| [[GH 454]] || TECHNIC || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Helps her owner with healing and fighting. TECHNICs: Support|| [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Diga]], [[Radiga]], [[Gidiga]], [[Resta]], [[Tomoirod]] (6★ Yohmei Rod) [[Jellen]], [[Zalure]], [[Zoldeel]], [[W'gasep]] (4★ TENORA Wand) [[Resta]] || [[Meteor Attacker]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 46x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 461]] || Striking || Independent. Autonomous. || Flighty and willful, but deadly with blades in each hand. || [[Brand]] (2★ G.R.M. Saber) [[Rising Strike]], [[Aldaga Rippa]] (5★ TENORA Twin Daggers) [[Hishou Jinren-zan]], [[Fuka-Misaki]] (10★ Yohmei Twin Claws) [[Rensan Senshou-ga]], [[Luciel]] (3★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Resta]], || [[Gigas Faust]]

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 462]] || Striking || Front lines. Front lines. || Runs around like a kid at the beach... with twin daggers. || ? || ?

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 463]] || Striking || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || Can't stand to be far from her owner for too long. || ? || ?

|- {{Unreleased item}}
| [[GH 464]] || TECHNIC || Front lines. Front lines. || A young girl, uses both light and dark. TECHNICs: ATK/Buff || ? || ?

|-
| [[GH 465]] || Firearms || Cover fire. Cover fire. || Protects her owner with twin handguns. || [[Powergun]] (2★ G.R.M. Handgun) [[Burning Hit]], [[Dual Beatgun]] (5★ G.R.M. Twin Handgun) [[Twin Burn]], [[Mayrod]] (8★ Yohmei Rod) [[Zonde]], [[Zoldeel]], [[Resta]], [[Halarod]] (10★ Yohmei Rod) [[Barta]], [[Zalure]], [[Resta]], [[Viedima]] (6★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], [[Reverser]], [[Retier]], || [[Gigas Faust]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 47x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 470]] || none || Support. Support. || An eager, young G.R.M. helper. || [[Kohibumiteri]] (10★ Kubara Bow) [[Masei-sou]], [[Helixen]] (2★ G.R.M. Rod) [[Razonde]], [[Rafoie]], [[Resta]], ([[Rabbit Wand]]) (12★ Kubara Rod) [[Foie]], [[Diga]], [[Barta]], [[Megid]], [[Magical Wand]] (9★ Kubara Wand) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], || ([[Lapia Fluge]])

|-
|}

=== [[GH 48x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|-
| [[GH 480]] || none || Near owner. Sticks to owner. || The ideal butler -- loyal and proper, even in battle. || [[Bouquet]] (5★ Kubara Saber) [[Spinning Strike]], [[Gekitsnata]] (10★ Yohmei Spear) [[Dus Majarra]], [[Crozara]] (6★ Yohmei Wand) [[Resta]], [[Giresta]], || [[Paradi Cataract]]

|-
|}

=== [[GH 49x series]] ===

{| class="wikitable"
! Model !! Syn. Trend !! Combat behavior !!width="128"| Description !! [[Weapons]] and [[photon arts]] !! [[Units#Extra_units|Extra unit]]

|- {{JP item}}
| [[GH 490]] || none || Calculating. || ? || [[Ank Bico/C]] (9★ Kubara Axe) [[Anga Redda]], [[Two-headed Ragnus]] (10★ G.R.M. Twin Saber) [[Splendor Crush]], [[Pumpkinhead]] (3★ Kubara Rod) [[Resta]], || [[Ascension Gift]]

|-
|}

== Feeding chart ==

{| class="wikitable"
! [[Item Type]] !! [[Stat]] !! 1★ !! 2★ !! 3★ !! 4★ !! 5★ !! 6★ !! 7★ !! 8★ !! 9★ !! 10★ !! 11★ !! 12★
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Recovery Items|Restoratives]] / [[Booster items]] / [[Foods]] / [[PA Fragments]]
| Striking || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| TECHNIC || +1 || +2 || +2 || +3 || +3 || +4 || +4 || +5 || +5 || +6 || +6 || +7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Traps]]
| Ranged || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Melee weapons]]
| Striking || +4 || +8 || +12 || +16 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Ranged weapons]]
| Ranged || +4 || +8 || +12 || +15 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| Armor || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Casting weapons]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| TECHNIC || +4 || +8 || +12 || +16 || +20 || +24 || +28 || +32 || +36 || +40 || +44 || +48
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Line shields]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| Armor || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| rowspan=3 | [[Units]]
| Ranged || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6
|-
| Armor || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
! [[Item Type]] !! [[Stat]] !! 1★ !! 2★ !! 3★ !! 4★ !! 5★ !! 6★ !! 7★ !! 8★ !! 9★ !! 10★ !! 11★ !! 12★
|-
| [[Clothes]]
| Armor || +4 || +6 || +8 || +10 || +12 || +14 || +16 || +18 || +20 || +22 || +24 || +26
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Parts]]
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| Armor || +5 || +8 || +10 || +13 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +23 || +25 || +30 || +33 || +36
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Synthesis Ingredients|Ingredients]]
| Striking || -1 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -3 || -3
|-
| Ranged || +1 || +2 || +2 || +3 || +3 || +4 || +4 || +5 || +5 || +6 || +6 || +7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Skill disks]]
| Striking || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| TECHNIC || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[Bullet disks]]
| Ranged || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| Armor || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| rowspan=2 | [[TECHNIC disks]]
| Striking || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7
|-
| TECHNIC || +6 || +9 || +12 || +15 || +18 || +21 || +24 || +27 || +30 || +33 || +36 || +39
|-
| [[Ornaments]]
| Armor || +2 || +3 || +4 || +5 || +6 || +7 || +8 || +9 || +10 || +11 || +12 || +13
|}

== Feeding responses ==

No matter what the model or what stage of evolution it is, all partner machines have the same responses when feeding on an item, based on the item's [[star rarity]] or function.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! [[Item Type]] !! Response
|-
| 1★-2★
| This doesn't taste very fresh...
|-
| 3★-4★
| It tastes... interesting.
|-
| 5★-6★
| Munch munch...
|-
| 7★-8★
| This could use a little salt.
|-
| 9★-10★
| A complex but bold flavor!
|-
| 11★-12★
| Mm! This is good!
|-
| 13★-14★
| I can't believe anything could taste this good!
|-
| 15★
| (???)
|-
| [[PM Device]]
| Mm! Tasty!
|-
|}

== External Links ==
* [http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/html/DB2FA5D1A1BCA5C8A5CAA1BCA5DEA5B7A5CAA5EAA1BC.html PSU-Wiki's article] (Japanese)

{{Gameplay}}

User:F Gattaca

2008-10-01T11:45:06Z

F Gattaca: Over a year in coming.

{| cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 align=right border=1 width=256px style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; padding: 6px; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; font-size: 10px; background-color: #f7f8ff; border:1px solid #8888aa;"
|- bgcolor=#99B1FF
| align=center colspan=2|

[[Image:Fgattaca.jpg|frame|center|]]
'''''F Gattaca''''' 
|-
|align="center" colspan=2|
|-
|Name:
|The Infamous Trev-MUN (F Gattaca in PSO/PSU)
|-
|Gender:
|Male
|-
|Favorite PS Game:
|Console: Phantasy Star VI MMORPG: Phantasy Star Universe (PSO:BB comes close though!)
|-
|Favorite Non-PS Game:
|It tends to change. All time favortes include Deus Ex 1, the Earthsiege/Starsiege series, and Ragnarok Online, though.
|-
|Game Servers
|[[Image:News_US.PNG]]
|}

==About me==
I'm a nutcase of many names. Normally I go by Trev-MUN. In Ragnarok Online, it's Aragan (the Acolyte). In the Phantasy Star circles though, it's F Gattaca. So, I'll use that name here. 
I'm a 25-year-old American college student in Business, but my ''real'' goal is to go to a college like Digipen and get a degree in computer graphics/animation. Hopefully between the two degrees I'll know enough to start a game development studio. 
In the meantime, I play games, and try my hand at many flavors of artwork and animation. I've been doing everything from CGing to sprite artwork to flash animation and 3D computer animation. Aside from iPSU I also play on the international Ragnarok Online servers, where I'm known as Aragan there. I do a small-time webcomic (NOT a sprite comic) called Ragnarok Wisdom based on life in iRO. I'm also working on my own science fiction universe project, called Ad Ultimum. 
As far as the Phantasy Star community goes, I started playing when PSO:BB was in its beta phase. The cast of Ragnarok Wisdom had all joined in, forming a team called the Wild Reapers. I was also known as F Gattaca then, a RAcast. We participated in the AOL Maximum Attack, [http://psobb.com/community/quests/aolcup/index.html and placed 4th among all the teams] ... even though most of the teams were ''twice'' our size. For me, that's a pretty big accomplishment! 
Well, I think that about covers everything ... Hopefully I can be of some use around here!

==Characters on PSU (PC/PS2)==
{| cellspacing="1" style="text-align:center; background:#bfbfbf"
|- style="background:#dfdfdf"
! width="120" |Name
! width="80" |Race
! width="80" |Gender
! width="80" |Level
! width="90" |Cur. Type
! width="80" |HU
! width="80" |RA
! width="80" |FO
! width="80" |FI
! width="80" |GT
! width="80" |WT
! width="80" |FF
! width="80" |FG
! width="80" |FT
! width="80" |PT
! width="80" |AF
! width="80" |AT
! width="80" |FM
! width="80" |GM
! width="80" |MF
|- style="background:#efefef"
| F Gattaca
| CAST
| ♂
| 140
| Fortegunner
| 10
| 20
| 10
| 20
| 10
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
|- style="background:#efefef"
| Raul DiUragano
| Beast
| ♂
| 131
| Fortefighter
| 10
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
|- style="background:#efefef"
| Aragan
| Human
| ♂
| 100
| Acrotecher
| 3
| 4
| 5
| 1
| 1
| 7
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 20
| 1
| 1
| 1
|} 

==Links==
* [http://www.adultimum.net The Ad Ultimum network, a hub for all my sites] 
* [http://www.adultimum.net/rw/ Ragnarok Wisdom, my RO webcomic] 
* [http://trevmun.deviantart.com My deviantART gallery, in case you're interested] 
* [http://ils-trevmun.livejournal.com The Thought Transistor, my personal blog]

User:F Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon Page Redesign: Yasminakov 0002 Example

2007-08-13T20:49:33Z

F Gattaca:

{| class="wikitable" style="float:right; width=320px; text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 120%;" | '''Yasminakov 0002'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|300px| ]] ''The cousin of the beloved Yasminkov 9000M?''
|-
! [[Japanese Name]]
| ヤスミノコフ０００２
|-
! [[Weapons|Type]]
| [[Machineguns|Machinegun]]
|-
! [[Manufacturer]]
| [[GRM]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Specifications'''
|-
! Star Rarity:
| style="text-align:center; background:#bfb"|8★ '''A'''
|-
! [[Stats#ATP|Base ATP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|60
|-
! [[Stats#ATA|Base ATA]]
| style="text-align:center;"|75
|-
! [[Stats#PP|Base PP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|803
|-
! Required Stat to Equip
| style="text-align:center;"|135 ATA
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 165000
|-
! Selling Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 24750
|-
! Sold At
| style="text-align:center;"| GRM Shop, Holtes City
|}

''"A high-end, powerful machinegun geared toward the advanced user, its light weight and high-output reactor make an amazing combination."''

The ''Yasminakov 0002'' is a 8★ A-rank [[Machineguns|machinegun]], a product of [[GRM]].
__NOTOC__
==Where to find it==
===Weapon===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="294"| Drops From ||width="294"| Locations
|-
| GSM-05 Seeker L70~79 || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|-
| GSM-05M Tirentos L70~79 || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|}

===Synthesis Board===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="294"| Drops From ||width="294"| Locations
|-
| GSM-05B Bomalta || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|}

==Synthesis Board stats==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 120%;" | '''[B] Yasminakov 0002'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Basic Information'''
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Required Ingredients'''
|-
!width="147"| [[Japanese Name]]
!width="146"| [[Uses]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Photons|Photon]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Metals|Metal]]
|-
| 基板/ヤスミノコフ０００２ || 3 || Im-Photon x 10 || Teranite x 6
|-
!width="147"| [[Required Time]]
!width="146"| [[Success Rate|Base Success Rate]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Ores|Ore]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Woods|Wood]]
|-
| (Unknown) || (Unknown) || Vestaline x 6 || ??? Wood x 6
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
! Selling Value
! colspan="2" | Sold At
|-
|110000 || (Unknown) ||colspan="2"| Synthesis Shop, Holtes City
|}

==Weapon grinding==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="116"| No. of Grinds ||width="42"| 0 ||width="42"| 1 ||width="42"| 2 ||width="42"| 3 ||width="42"| 4 ||width="42"| 5 ||width="42"| 6 ||width="42"| 7 ||width="42"| 8 ||width="42"| 9 ||width="42"| 10
|-
!ATP
|60||62|| || || || || || || || ||
|-
!PP
|803||828|| || || || || || || || ||
|}

==Image gallery==
<gallery align=right>
Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|F Gattaca holding a Yasminakov 0002.
Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|... Pretend this is someone else.
</gallery>

User:F Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon Page Redesign: Maggac Example

2007-08-13T20:49:32Z

F Gattaca:

{| class="wikitable" style="float:right; width=320px; text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 120%;" | '''Maggac'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Image:Maggac.png|300px| ]] ''The black market's response to [[TENORA WORKS]].''
|-
! [[Japanese Name]]
| マガック
|-
! [[Weapons|Type]]
| [[Machineguns|Machinegun]]
|-
! [[Manufacturer]]
| [[Kubara]] (Black market)
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Specifications'''
|-
! Star Rarity:
| style="text-align:center; background:#9ee"|6★ '''B'''
|-
! [[Stats#ATP|Base ATP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|39
|-
! [[Stats#ATA|Base ATA]]
| style="text-align:center;"|49
|-
! [[Stats#PP|Base PP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|875
|-
! Required Stat to Equip
| style="text-align:center;"|110 ATA
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
| style="text-align:center;"| (Synth Only)
|-
! Selling Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 2625
|-
! Sold At
| style="text-align:center;"| (Synth Only)
|}

''"A mass-produced model machinegun popular for its solid feel. Or so we've heard."''

The ''Maggac'' is a 6★ B-rank [[Machineguns|machinegun]], a black market replica of [[TENORA WORKS]] machineguns.
__NOTOC__
==Where to find it==
===Weapon===
The Maggac is synth-only.

===Synthesis Board===
Due to its black market nature, it does not have a synth board of its own. Use [[Kubara Wood]] in the [[Magga Bar]]'s synthesis board to produce a Maggac.

==Synthesis Board stats==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 120%;" | '''[B] Magga Bar'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Basic Information'''
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Required Ingredients'''
|-
!width="147"| [[Japanese Name]]
!width="146"| [[Uses]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Photons|Photon]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Metals|Metal]]
|-
| 基板/マッガ・バル || 3 || Im-Photon x 5 || Giganite x 7
|-
!width="147"| [[Required Time]]
!width="146"| [[Success Rate|Base Success Rate]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Ores|Ore]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Woods|Wood]]
|-
| (Unknown) || (Unknown) || Upteline x 3 || ??? Wood x 7
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
! Selling Value
! colspan="2" | Sold At
|-
|23400 || (Unknown) ||colspan="2"| Synthesis Shop, Daghora City
|}

==Grinding table==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="116"| No. of Grinds ||width="42"| 0 ||width="42"| 1 ||width="42"| 2 ||width="42"| 3 ||width="42"| 4 ||width="42"| 5 ||width="42"| 6 ||width="42"| 7 ||width="42"| 8 ||width="42"| 9 ||width="42"| 10
|-
!ATP
|39||41||43||45||47||49|| || || || ||
|-
!PP
|875||879||883||889||896||903|| || || || ||
|}

==Image gallery==
<gallery align=right>
Image:Maggac.png|F Gattaca holding a Maggac.
Image:Maggac.png|... Pretend this is someone else.
</gallery>

User:F Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon Page Redesign: Yasminakov 0002 Example

2007-08-13T20:48:31Z

F Gattaca:

{| class="wikitable" style="float:right; width=320px; text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 120%;" | '''Yasminakov 0002'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|300px| ]] ''The cousin of the beloved Yasminkov 9000M?''
|-
! [[Japanese Name]]
| ヤスミノコフ０００２
|-
! [[Weapons|Type]]
| [[Machineguns|Machinegun]]
|-
! [[Manufacturer]]
| [[GRM]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Specifications'''
|-
! Star Rarity:
| style="text-align:center; background:#bfb"|8★ '''A'''
|-
! [[Stats#ATP|Base ATP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|60
|-
! [[Stats#ATA|Base ATA]]
| style="text-align:center;"|75
|-
! [[Stats#PP|Base PP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|803
|-
! Required Stat to Equip
| style="text-align:center;"|135 ATA
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 165000
|-
! Selling Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 24750
|-
! Sold At
| style="text-align:center;"| GRM Shop, Holtes City
|}

''"A high-end, powerful machinegun geared toward the advanced user, its light weight and high-output reactor make an amazing combination."''

The ''Yasminakov 0002'' is a 8★ A-rank [[Machineguns|machinegun]], a product of [[GRM]].
__NOTOC__
==Where to find it==
===Weapon===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="294"| Drops From ||width="294"| Locations
|-
| GSM-05 Seeker L70~79 || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|-
| GSM-05M Tirentos L70~79 || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|}

===Synthesis board===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="294"| Drops From ||width="294"| Locations
|-
| GSM-05B Bomalta || Endrum Remnants, Desert Goliath
|}

==Synthesis board stats==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 120%;" | '''[B] Yasminakov 0002'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Basic Information'''
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Required Ingredients'''
|-
!width="147"| [[Japanese Name]]
!width="146"| [[Uses]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Photons|Photon]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Metals|Metal]]
|-
| 基板/ヤスミノコフ０００２ || 3 || Im-Photon x 10 || Teranite x 6
|-
!width="147"| [[Required Time]]
!width="146"| [[Success Rate|Base Success Rate]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Ores|Ore]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Woods|Wood]]
|-
| (Unknown) || (Unknown) || Vestaline x 6 || ??? Wood x 6
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
! Selling Value
! colspan="2" | Sold At
|-
|110000 || (Unknown) ||colspan="2"| Synthesis Shop, Holtes City
|}

==Weapon grinding==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="116"| No. of Grinds ||width="42"| 0 ||width="42"| 1 ||width="42"| 2 ||width="42"| 3 ||width="42"| 4 ||width="42"| 5 ||width="42"| 6 ||width="42"| 7 ||width="42"| 8 ||width="42"| 9 ||width="42"| 10
|-
!ATP
|60||62|| || || || || || || || ||
|-
!PP
|803||828|| || || || || || || || ||
|}

==Image gallery==
<gallery align=right>
Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|F Gattaca holding a Yasminakov 0002.
Image:Yasminakov 0002.png|... Pretend this is someone else.
</gallery>

User:F Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon Page Redesign: Maggac Example

2007-08-13T20:48:30Z

F Gattaca:

{| class="wikitable" style="float:right; width=320px; text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 120%;" | '''Maggac'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Image:Maggac.png|300px| ]] ''The black market's response to [[TENORA WORKS]].''
|-
! [[Japanese Name]]
| マガック
|-
! [[Weapons|Type]]
| [[Machineguns|Machinegun]]
|-
! [[Manufacturer]]
| [[Kubara]] (Black market)
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Specifications'''
|-
! Star Rarity:
| style="text-align:center; background:#9ee"|6★ '''B'''
|-
! [[Stats#ATP|Base ATP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|39
|-
! [[Stats#ATA|Base ATA]]
| style="text-align:center;"|49
|-
! [[Stats#PP|Base PP]]
| style="text-align:center;"|875
|-
! Required Stat to Equip
| style="text-align:center;"|110 ATA
|-
| colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
| style="text-align:center;"| (Synth Only)
|-
! Selling Value
| style="text-align:center;"| 2625
|-
! Sold At
| style="text-align:center;"| (Synth Only)
|}

''"A mass-produced model machinegun popular for its solid feel. Or so we've heard."''

The ''Maggac'' is a 6★ B-rank [[Machineguns|machinegun]], a black market replica of [[TENORA WORKS]] machineguns.
__NOTOC__
==Where to find it==
===Weapon===
The Maggac is synth-only.

===Synthesis board===
Due to its black market nature, it does not have a synth board of its own. Use [[Kubara Wood]] in the [[Magga Bar]]'s synthesis board to produce a Maggac.

==Synthesis board stats==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 120%;" | '''[B] Magga Bar'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Basic Information'''
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Required Ingredients'''
|-
!width="147"| [[Japanese Name]]
!width="146"| [[Uses]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Photons|Photon]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Metals|Metal]]
|-
| 基板/マッガ・バル || 3 || Im-Photon x 5 || Giganite x 7
|-
!width="147"| [[Required Time]]
!width="146"| [[Success Rate|Base Success Rate]]
!width="147"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Ores|Ore]]
!width="146"| [[Synthesis_Ingredients#Woods|Wood]]
|-
| (Unknown) || (Unknown) || Upteline x 3 || ??? Wood x 7
|-
| colspan="4" style="font-size: 100%;" | '''Price Guide'''
|-
! Buying Value
! Selling Value
! colspan="2" | Sold At
|-
|23400 || (Unknown) ||colspan="2"| Synthesis Shop, Daghora City
|}

==Grinding table==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%;"
|-
!width="116"| No. of Grinds ||width="42"| 0 ||width="42"| 1 ||width="42"| 2 ||width="42"| 3 ||width="42"| 4 ||width="42"| 5 ||width="42"| 6 ||width="42"| 7 ||width="42"| 8 ||width="42"| 9 ||width="42"| 10
|-
!ATP
|39||41||43||45||47||49|| || || || ||
|-
!PP
|875||879||883||889||896||903|| || || || ||
|}

==Image gallery==
<gallery align=right>
Image:Maggac.png|F Gattaca holding a Maggac.
Image:Maggac.png|... Pretend this is someone else.
</gallery>

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-13T20:30:07Z

F Gattaca:

==Open polls==
Currently there are no open polls.

==Weapon template standard proposal==
*Qwerty, Beatrix and myself have come to a consensus on which weapon template we prefer: [http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final this one]. Any objections? The whole decision process on this matter is taking a lot longer than we'd hoped, so we're just trying to speed things along. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*Yes, this particular issue has taken too long. I have no particular objections. If there is enough objection a vote will have to be set up, but I don't forsee that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:32, 12 August 2007 (BST)

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*****I mentioned that even they couldn't agree months ago. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
******At least we'll finally have a standard set come the end of tomorrow. Moving in the right direction and all, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
**** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
**** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
******What about vector art like the manufacturer icons? (I think it's called vector art.) If someone could do that with the ''Illuminus'' logo, we could scale it up and down without distortion so it could be used for multiple purposes. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*******That'd be better, since the manufacturer logos are also made from vector graphics, although they're .png files. Following the same pattern, I could do that with Flash and make a big vector .png of the logos--but if you're thinking about that .svg stuff, I've no clue how those vector graphics work. I've only seen them used on Wikipedia ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
********PNG would be great. Give it a shot, if you don't mind. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*I just finished a rough design of the [[Kazarod]] page. Of course, we still need a picture to add to the upper right, but this is what I think individual weapon pages should look like. (I still need to add drop info in, however. Not sure if I want to do it as text or a table...) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
**I guess we'll need to do a referendum on the weapon pages. That's three style propositions now, heh! Anyway, I finally found the time to work on the vector graphics version of the AoI logo. Tell me what you think: [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|19px]] [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|50px]] You can view the full size (250x250) [http://psupedia.info/images/d/d2/AoI_Logo_Vector.png here]. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:09, 13 August 2007 (BST)
***Perfect! :D What program do you use for this? I'd kind of like to try my hand at creating some logos like this for other in-game icons such as status effects and materials. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:22, 13 August 2007 (BST)
****I personally used Flash for this, using its Export Image feature to turn my working movie into a still image .png file. There's some dedicated vector graphics programs out there, but I've found Flash can handle many of the same things. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:30, 13 August 2007 (BST)

==Individual item pages==
[http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Individual_item_pages This format] seems to be going over very well considering that Beatrix, myself and a few others have been faithfully using it over the past few days as we add new articles to the wiki. Considering that, I assume it could more or less be a set standard, but I'd still like to see if anyone has any opinions on the style that maybe they've just kept to themselves. A few things on it, though:
*I've opted for a more bold set of colors for the star rating as the ones selected for the table cell backgrounds seemed a little too light against the normal white background. The green star was especially difficult to see.
*I'd ultimately like to set up a number of more organized categories, such as what we're doing now with these small articles, as opposed to the 500+ categories we have now that split everything up into smaller and smaller pieces. I mentioned this at Raffon Field Base, but I'd like to say it here, too. I really think we need to clear out a ton of the unnecessary categories.
Anyway, I think that's it. Comments, suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)

** Well, for the star rating, I guess you could try a wikitable thing to get a darker background. Something like:

<code><nowiki>{| class=wikitable</nowiki> 
<nowiki>| style="background:#A7A7A7" | ★★★★★★★★★★★★</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki> 

Which gives:

{| class=wikitable
| style="background:#A7A7A7" | ★★★★★★★★★★★★
|}

As for the categories, they were originally intended to be there because we can't really get the advanced search functions a more conventional database can have and this was a work-around. They've never been used really and are archaic, they're also intrinsically tied with the old, broken template system. They should be deleted so we can have cleaner categories. Special List pages can be set up if necessary. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:21, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*I am pro special list page. ;) We could use that to sort out which categories to keep and which to axe. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*** I personally think the way Espio is doing them looks fine, and the grayish background table for the stars would just look out of place. I'm also curious if the board table I used on my sample weapon page might look better for the individual item pages as well, rather than the textual board and ingredient description. The colored star rarity would also fit in well with my weapon page, if we choose to do that one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
****Create an example of what you have in mind and we can judge from there. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
***** Nothing too fancy, just a simple little table, easy to read and standardized. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here]] be the example. My pricing table could be thrown in too, but I think that might be a bit much. Also, for my sample weapon page, I could just put the color-coded stars below the item description as on the item pages, or possibly in the weapon name title line (with reduced text-size, obviously). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
******Yeah, the pricing table would probably be too much, but the synthesis table looks great there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:01, 12 August 2007 (BST)

* As an aside, it's worth standardizing exactly what types of items are to use this style - obviously synthesis materials and traps use it, but I also assume that consumables, buff items, room goods, redecoration tickets, boards which don't particularly belong to another page (e.g. conversion boards), PA Disks and Clothes/Parts will also use this standard? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
**Yeah, that sounds about right. I plan on doing some more item pages later today, possibly finishing off the synthesis materials section. In the meantime, however, I'm going to head off to the gym for a bit while I've got a chance. (There are weights to be lifted there, and it just so happens that I'm the only one who can lift them. :D) While I'm there, I'll be going over these things in my head. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)

==Synthesis board suggestion==
(Copied from the scape doll talk page.) I really hate questioning something that we're trying to set as a standard, but I think this might be a valid point. While working on the scape doll's board info, I realized that the rarity of the board and the rarity of the item are different. While I don't think this is a common occurrence, I think we should address it before we begin a mass implementation of synth board tables, especially since the board rarity is never mentioned anywhere. I suggest changing the title of the table to the board name and then changing the current board name cell to indicate rarity. Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''[B] Scape Doll'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Food''' || [[Hustle Berry]] x5 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Chemical''' || [[Omega Acid]] x2
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 1 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Base Rate''' || 100%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || 00:00 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Rarity''' || {{Color-A}}|7★
|}

I think we should do this, unless we're going to make individual pages for each board. Actually, that's something else. Should we do that, or just make a synth board redirect to the page of the item it creates? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:40, 13 August 2007 (BST)

==Closed polls==
Voting has ended for the following topics.
===VOTE: Abbreviations===
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': Just because it's the style I'm used to using. :3 *In b4 "OWTF RANT U R SUPPOS 2 B ON VACATIONZ"* [[User:Fence!|Fence]]
*The voting period has ended and the score tallied. With nine votes, Sounomi's abbreviations will be the PSUPedia's new standard for type abbreviations. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)

===VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization===
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''MLA:''' "Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<." My thoughts exactly. [[User:Fence!|Fence]] 15:41, 10 August 2007
*'''MLA:''' Coincidentally, isn't "Manual of Style" breaking the Wikipedia and AJA standards? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:03, 11 August 2007 (BST)
**You're right. We'll begin making all necessary adjustments across the site once we have the results of this vote tonight. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:04, 11 August 2007 (BST)
***I wasn't necessarily making an argument about that. Just saying it's somewhat funny to see someone vote contrary to what they did. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:55, 11 August 2007 (BST)
****Point. To be honest, before I began the manual of style here, I favored the MLA format, thus why the article is capitalized as it is. After I took a look over Wikipedia's style guide to get a little inspiration for ours, I realized that I liked their format more, and as such voted for it. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:52, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*With a vote of five, the Wikipedia standard for capitalization in headings has become the PSUPedia's new standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Talk:Deva-zashi

2007-08-13T20:25:54Z

F Gattaca: New page: "This style seems to be the general consensus?" I didn't get ''that'' impression from the discussion at your Weapon Page Sandbox--and as I pointed out, not everyone left a comment supporti...

"This style seems to be the general consensus?" I didn't get ''that'' impression from the discussion at your Weapon Page Sandbox--and as I pointed out, not everyone left a comment supporting one style or the other at said sandbox.

At the point people began offering counterproposals, only Mewn seemed to openly favor your design over all others. Saiffy, judging from the comment left on my own Sandbox, favors mine. EpisoKaos has made his own proposal for the weapons pages as seen in the Manual of Style discussion page.

This thing should really be put to a vote like the other issues on the manual of style. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:25, 13 August 2007 (BST)

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-13T20:09:58Z

F Gattaca:

==Open polls==
Currently there are no open polls.

==Weapon template standard proposal==
*Qwerty, Beatrix and myself have come to a consensus on which weapon template we prefer: [http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final this one]. Any objections? The whole decision process on this matter is taking a lot longer than we'd hoped, so we're just trying to speed things along. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*Yes, this particular issue has taken too long. I have no particular objections. If there is enough objection a vote will have to be set up, but I don't forsee that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:32, 12 August 2007 (BST)

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*****I mentioned that even they couldn't agree months ago. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
******At least we'll finally have a standard set come the end of tomorrow. Moving in the right direction and all, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
**** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
**** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
******What about vector art like the manufacturer icons? (I think it's called vector art.) If someone could do that with the ''Illuminus'' logo, we could scale it up and down without distortion so it could be used for multiple purposes. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*******That'd be better, since the manufacturer logos are also made from vector graphics, although they're .png files. Following the same pattern, I could do that with Flash and make a big vector .png of the logos--but if you're thinking about that .svg stuff, I've no clue how those vector graphics work. I've only seen them used on Wikipedia ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
********PNG would be great. Give it a shot, if you don't mind. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*I just finished a rough design of the [[Kazarod]] page. Of course, we still need a picture to add to the upper right, but this is what I think individual weapon pages should look like. (I still need to add drop info in, however. Not sure if I want to do it as text or a table...) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
**I guess we'll need to do a referendum on the weapon pages. That's three style propositions now, heh! Anyway, I finally found the time to work on the vector graphics version of the AoI logo. Tell me what you think: [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|19px]] [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|50px]] You can view the full size (250x250) [http://psupedia.info/images/d/d2/AoI_Logo_Vector.png here]. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:09, 13 August 2007 (BST)

==Individual item pages==
[http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Individual_item_pages This format] seems to be going over very well considering that Beatrix, myself and a few others have been faithfully using it over the past few days as we add new articles to the wiki. Considering that, I assume it could more or less be a set standard, but I'd still like to see if anyone has any opinions on the style that maybe they've just kept to themselves. A few things on it, though:
*I've opted for a more bold set of colors for the star rating as the ones selected for the table cell backgrounds seemed a little too light against the normal white background. The green star was especially difficult to see.
*I'd ultimately like to set up a number of more organized categories, such as what we're doing now with these small articles, as opposed to the 500+ categories we have now that split everything up into smaller and smaller pieces. I mentioned this at Raffon Field Base, but I'd like to say it here, too. I really think we need to clear out a ton of the unnecessary categories.
Anyway, I think that's it. Comments, suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)

** Well, for the star rating, I guess you could try a wikitable thing to get a darker background. Something like:

<code><nowiki>{| class=wikitable</nowiki> 
<nowiki>| style="background:#A7A7A7" | ★★★★★★★★★★★★</nowiki> 
<nowiki>|}</nowiki> 

Which gives:

{| class=wikitable
| style="background:#A7A7A7" | ★★★★★★★★★★★★
|}

As for the categories, they were originally intended to be there because we can't really get the advanced search functions a more conventional database can have and this was a work-around. They've never been used really and are archaic, they're also intrinsically tied with the old, broken template system. They should be deleted so we can have cleaner categories. Special List pages can be set up if necessary. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:21, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*I am pro special list page. ;) We could use that to sort out which categories to keep and which to axe. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*** I personally think the way Espio is doing them looks fine, and the grayish background table for the stars would just look out of place. I'm also curious if the board table I used on my sample weapon page might look better for the individual item pages as well, rather than the textual board and ingredient description. The colored star rarity would also fit in well with my weapon page, if we choose to do that one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
****Create an example of what you have in mind and we can judge from there. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
***** Nothing too fancy, just a simple little table, easy to read and standardized. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here]] be the example. My pricing table could be thrown in too, but I think that might be a bit much. Also, for my sample weapon page, I could just put the color-coded stars below the item description as on the item pages, or possibly in the weapon name title line (with reduced text-size, obviously). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
******Yeah, the pricing table would probably be too much, but the synthesis table looks great there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:01, 12 August 2007 (BST)

* As an aside, it's worth standardizing exactly what types of items are to use this style - obviously synthesis materials and traps use it, but I also assume that consumables, buff items, room goods, redecoration tickets, boards which don't particularly belong to another page (e.g. conversion boards), PA Disks and Clothes/Parts will also use this standard? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
**Yeah, that sounds about right. I plan on doing some more item pages later today, possibly finishing off the synthesis materials section. In the meantime, however, I'm going to head off to the gym for a bit while I've got a chance. (There are weights to be lifted there, and it just so happens that I'm the only one who can lift them. :D) While I'm there, I'll be going over these things in my head. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)

==Synthesis board suggestion==
(Copied from the scape doll talk page.) I really hate questioning something that we're trying to set as a standard, but I think this might be a valid point. While working on the scape doll's board info, I realized that the rarity of the board and the rarity of the item are different. While I don't think this is a common occurrence, I think we should address it before we begin a mass implementation of synth board tables, especially since the board rarity is never mentioned anywhere. I suggest changing the title of the table to the board name and then changing the current board name cell to indicate rarity. Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''[B] Scape Doll'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Food''' || [[Hustle Berry]] x5 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Chemical''' || [[Omega Acid]] x2
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 1 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Base Rate''' || 100%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || 00:00 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Rarity''' || {{Color-A}}|7★
|}

I think we should do this, unless we're going to make individual pages for each board. Actually, that's something else. Should we do that, or just make a synth board redirect to the page of the item it creates? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:40, 13 August 2007 (BST)

==Closed polls==
Voting has ended for the following topics.
===VOTE: Abbreviations===
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': Just because it's the style I'm used to using. :3 *In b4 "OWTF RANT U R SUPPOS 2 B ON VACATIONZ"* [[User:Fence!|Fence]]
*The voting period has ended and the score tallied. With nine votes, Sounomi's abbreviations will be the PSUPedia's new standard for type abbreviations. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)

===VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization===
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''MLA:''' "Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<." My thoughts exactly. [[User:Fence!|Fence]] 15:41, 10 August 2007
*'''MLA:''' Coincidentally, isn't "Manual of Style" breaking the Wikipedia and AJA standards? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:03, 11 August 2007 (BST)
**You're right. We'll begin making all necessary adjustments across the site once we have the results of this vote tonight. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:04, 11 August 2007 (BST)
***I wasn't necessarily making an argument about that. Just saying it's somewhat funny to see someone vote contrary to what they did. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 22:55, 11 August 2007 (BST)
****Point. To be honest, before I began the manual of style here, I favored the MLA format, thus why the article is capitalized as it is. After I took a look over Wikipedia's style guide to get a little inspiration for ours, I realized that I liked their format more, and as such voted for it. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:52, 12 August 2007 (BST)
*With a vote of five, the Wikipedia standard for capitalization in headings has become the PSUPedia's new standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 06:50, 12 August 2007 (BST)

File:AoI Logo Vector.png

2007-08-13T20:03:36Z

F Gattaca: This is a vector graphics version of the Ambitions of Illuminus logo as it appears in the AoI PC program icon.

This is a vector graphics version of the Ambitions of Illuminus logo as it appears in the AoI PC program icon.

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-11T18:37:27Z

F Gattaca:

==VOTE: Abbreviations==
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': Just because it's the style I'm used to using. :3 *In b4 "OWTF RANT U R SUPPOS 2 B ON VACATIONZ"* [[User:Fence!|Fence]]

==VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization==
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''MLA:''' "Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<." My thoughts exactly. [[User:Fence!|Fence]] 15:41, 10 August 2007
*'''MLA:''' Coincidentally, isn't "Manual of Style" breaking the Wikipedia and AJA standards? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:03, 11 August 2007 (BST)

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*****I mentioned that even they couldn't agree months ago. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
******At least we'll finally have a standard set come the end of tomorrow. Moving in the right direction and all, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
**** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
**** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
******What about vector art like the manufacturer icons? (I think it's called vector art.) If someone could do that with the ''Illuminus'' logo, we could scale it up and down without distortion so it could be used for multiple purposes. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 11 August 2007 (BST)
*******That'd be better, since the manufacturer logos are also made from vector graphics, although they're .png files. Following the same pattern, I could do that with Flash and make a big vector .png of the logos--but if you're thinking about that .svg stuff, I've no clue how those vector graphics work. I've only seen them used on Wikipedia ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)

==Individual item pages==
[http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Individual_item_pages This format] seems to be going over very well considering that Beatrix, myself and a few others have been faithfully using it over the past few days as we add new articles to the wiki. Considering that, I assume it could more or less be a set standard, but I'd still like to see if anyone has any opinions on the style that maybe they've just kept to themselves. A few things on it, though:
*I've opted for a more bold set of colors for the star rating as the ones selected for the table cell backgrounds seemed a little too light against the normal white background. The green star was especially difficult to see.
*I'd ultimately like to set up a number of more organized categories, such as what we're doing now with these small articles, as opposed to the 500+ categories we have now that split everything up into smaller and smaller pieces. I mentioned this at Raffon Field Base, but I'd like to say it here, too. I really think we need to clear out a ton of the unnecessary categories.
Anyway, I think that's it. Comments, suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-11T02:50:38Z

F Gattaca:

==VOTE: Abbreviations==
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': Just because it's the style I'm used to using. :3 *In b4 "OWTF RANT U R SUPPOS 2 B ON VACATIONZ"* [[User:Fence!|Fence]]

==VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization==
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''MLA:''' "Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<." My thoughts exactly. [[User:Fence!|Fence]] 15:41, 10 August 2007

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*****I mentioned that even they couldn't agree months ago. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
******At least we'll finally have a standard set come the end of tomorrow. Moving in the right direction and all, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
**** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
**** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
*****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-10T07:13:42Z

F Gattaca:

==VOTE: Abbreviations==
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' looks cleaner and less ambiguity. We don't have to follow the Japanese on EVERYTHING when it doesn't make sense to. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:54, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' Makes more sense, only the base classes use the first 2 letters, why should an advanced class be stuck with that format as well? If Sounomi was simply meant to be unambiguous, it should have continued WA, GU and PR since those are unique as well. --[[User:JustTrio|JustTrio]] 15:36, 8 August 2007 (BST)
** You make a good point, however. Hunter, Ranger and Force are the classes from PSO, where they were called HU, RA and FO respectively. They aren't acronyms in the same sense as FI or WT, simply a shorthand version of it. But the JP-Wiki uses this too, so... - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:01, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''': It just makes sense. I actually agree with JustTrio and would have preferred GU, WA and PR (or PO) but the most important thing is getting rid of this Fighgunner/Fortegunner confusion which - like it or not - does exist. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 23:48, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki''': JP wiki sounds like the best way, except for the new jobs. Sou-whoever for the 2 new classes. --[[User:Sasamichan|Sasamichan]] 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' This one gets my vote. I agree with trying to extinguish the confusion with Fighgunner/Fortegunner. The petition to vote was a great idea btw.--[[User:Renderingdragon|Renderingdragon]] 23:09, 9 August 2007 (BST)

==VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization==
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>
****Ah, cool. I'll look into the proper markup for writing a poll (since it's not detailed there, unless I just missed it) and see if we can use it for the next one we need. Thanks for the tip! [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:09, 7 August 2007 (BST)

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
**** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
**** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
*Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
**Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)

The re-PSUPedia talk:Manual of style

2007-08-06T22:56:06Z

F Gattaca:

==VOTE: Abbreviations==
So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented. Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version. For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
|-
| Hunter || HU || HU
|-
| Ranger || RA || RA
|-
| Force || FO || FO
|-
| Fighgunner || FG || FI
|-
| Wartecher || WT || WT
|-
| Guntecher || GT || GT
|-
| Fortefighter || fF || FF
|-
| Fortegunner || fG || FG
|-
| Fortetecher || fT || FT
|-
| Protranser || PT || PT
|-
| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
|-
| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
|}

Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section. Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi:''' I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set. Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner. Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations. (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.) One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*JP-Wiki: For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
**I'm not too sure why the type terms are acroynms and not abbreviations. We're talking about type classifications formed from the shortening of the full word, after all. We do the same for titles like "Fr." for Father (clerical), "Dr." for Doctor, and so on. I thought acronyms only referred to words/terms created from letters taken a phrase or multiple words, like "LASER" from Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation or "RADAR" from RAdio Detecting And Ranging ... or maybe even "PSU" from Phantasy Star Universe, "AMF" from Alliance Military Force, or "TTB" from Triplanetary Transportation Bureau (did I get that one right?). If the class types were not an entire word as they appear to be, I'd agree that they are acronyms, but ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Neither'''. I propose using Fo for forte Ac for acro and Fi for Figh. The difference between FoG and FiG is immediately obvious, no matter what standard you personally use. If you see only 'FG' you're still going to have to know which standard this place is using. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 20:42, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==VOTE: Heading and sub-heading capitalization==
We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia. Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer. Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.

If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth. Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
*'''Wikipedia:''' I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard. I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* MLA:: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
* '''Abstain'''. I'm not sure if it's couth to cast a vote for two things. While I prefer a standard like that of the APA and MLA (with the MLA governing what to capitalize, and the APA governing which subheadings are capitalized where others are simply written like a sentence), Wikipedia has a strong precedent ... therefore I'll abstain. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 23:56, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Page-stretching and so forth==
*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious. We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around. Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically. (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page. (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.) So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically. We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)

==Capitalization and so forth==
*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase. I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it? Personally, I actually like how it looks. What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki. Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading. The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''. I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

==A few things==
* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.

If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*Excellent! I'll get started on working these things in. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* er, not trying to make much of a point here, but just for the record, in Europe the game was released with dialogue in British English plus three other European languages. I agree to preserve US English preferences for the wiki articles though, if only to adhere to the dominant standard. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:26, 6 August 2007 (BST)

==Abbreviations==
*Dun dun dun! Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names. I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki. For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively. I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**That's an excellent point, Qwerty. I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World. As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca. I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns. As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki. Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times. Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte." So, FrF would be Fortefighter. Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively. Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
****Oh, I agree. I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)

== Template Nonsense ==
* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
***Excellent work! I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in. (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)

== Am I just blind, or what?==
If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).
* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
**It should appear as a faint red. This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added. (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>) Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)

==Voting on pending issues of style==
*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia. Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further. So, how should we handle voting? Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there? Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual? Other ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
***OK. When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good? (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.) I can just link to this page from there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
*** I think there have been wiki extensions emulating polls floating around, if you want. In fact, I think I there was one installed earlier actually... Probably got killed during all the transfers and server moves and whatnot. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:53, 6 August 2007 (BST)
*** Er, [http://psupedia.info/Special:Version actually]... >_>

==Weapon table revision==
*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)