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User:Alkaven

2007-09-25T00:28:16Z

Alkaven:

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 54
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv2
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

Ank Pikor

2007-09-22T17:46:36Z

Alkaven: /* Stats, synthesis, etc. */

[[Image:AnkPikor.jpg|thumb|right|Ank Pikor]]
''A top-of-the-line upgraded axe. While unstable, its destructive power is second to none.'' 
{{9 stars}}
==Item details==
* No additional details.
 
==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Type''' || [[Axes|Axe]] || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''PP''' || 354
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Rarity'''|| {{Color-A}}|9★ || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATP''' || 1244
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Version''' || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATA''' || 104
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Mfg.''' || {{Logo-T}} | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Req.''' || 432
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Board Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Photon''' || [[???-photon]] x10 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ore''' || [[Vulcaline]] x6
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Metal''' || [[Stelnium]] x3 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Wood''' || [[Mot Ebon]] x9
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 3 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Rate''' || 26-??%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || ??:?? || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Used''' || [B] Ank Pikor
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | '''Pricing Information'''
|- style="background:#f2f2f2"
| colspan="2"|'''Weapon''' || colspan="2"|'''Board'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || 165000
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 37500 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 8250
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || [[MA-GRMS: Dagora]]
|}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="12"| '''Grinding Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Stat''' || '''+0''' || '''+1''' || '''+2''' || '''+3''' || '''+4''' || '''+5''' || '''+6''' || '''+7''' || '''+8''' || '''+9''' || '''+10'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''PP''' || 354 || 362 || 370 || 379 || 388 || 398 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''ATP''' || 1244 || 1255 || 1266 || 1279 || 1292 || 1306 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4" | '''Drop Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Enemy/Mission''' || '''Level''' || '''Type'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Bil De Vear]] || 80-99 || Board
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Desert Terror]] || S2 || Board
|}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
* No additional images exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!

[[Category:Axes]]

User:Alkaven

2007-09-22T16:59:53Z

Alkaven: /* Alkaven */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 54
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-22T16:47:51Z

Alkaven: /* Status */

This has not yet been tested yet. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:57, 14 September 2007 (BST)

== Status ==
{{enemy
|HP =150%
|DFP =100%
|EVP =100%
|MST =130%
|ATA =100%
|TP =110%
|STA =100%
|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks
|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|StatusImmunities = None
|HalfDamageFrom = None
}}

* Alright. The above has been tested and works now. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:58, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** I've slightly altered this template and the Enemy Drops one, because they were generating too much whitespace between the bottom of the table and the following subheading. The changes are minimal and shouldn't affect the workings of the templates. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:05, 16 September 2007 (BST)
*** Awesome! :D I didn't notice before, sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:00, 20 September 2007 (BST)
* Added percentages to the example. There's no validation for this template yet. Still working on it.

== Drops ==
{{Enemy Drops
|SpecialDrop1= [[Vanda Derma]]
|DropLv1to9= [[Shigga Damud]]
|DropLv10to19= [[Shigga Spud]]
|DropLv20to29= [[Shigga Wadda]]
|DropLv30to39= [[Shigga Bigul]]
|DropLv40to49= [[Shigga Amza]]
}}

== Changes ==
* Alright, I've added the "Ele." attribute as per request. I wasn't sure how you wanted it decorated, so I just slapped it next to EXP (since it fits). [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:10, 20 September 2007 (BST)
** Looks great! Much, much better than having the large open space in the EXP row. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:15, 20 September 2007 (BST)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-21T16:27:56Z

Alkaven:

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 54
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-21T16:24:27Z

Alkaven: /* Alkaven */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 52
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-20T18:10:45Z

Alkaven: Added a 'changes' section to talk.

This has not yet been tested yet. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:57, 14 September 2007 (BST)

== Status ==
{{enemy
|HP =150
|DFP =100
|EVP =100
|MST =130
|ATA =100
|TP =110
|STA =100
|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks
|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|StatusImmunities = None
|HalfDamageFrom = None
}}

* Alright. The above has been tested and works now. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:58, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** I've slightly altered this template and the Enemy Drops one, because they were generating too much whitespace between the bottom of the table and the following subheading. The changes are minimal and shouldn't affect the workings of the templates. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:05, 16 September 2007 (BST)
*** Awesome! :D I didn't notice before, sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:00, 20 September 2007 (BST)

== Drops ==
{{Enemy Drops
|SpecialDrop1= [[Vanda Derma]]
|DropLv1to9= [[Shigga Damud]]
|DropLv10to19= [[Shigga Spud]]
|DropLv20to29= [[Shigga Wadda]]
|DropLv30to39= [[Shigga Bigul]]
|DropLv40to49= [[Shigga Amza]]
}}

== Changes ==
* Alright, I've added the "Ele." attribute as per request. I wasn't sure how you wanted it decorated, so I just slapped it next to EXP (since it fits). [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:10, 20 September 2007 (BST)

Template:Enemy

2007-09-20T18:09:08Z

Alkaven: Whoops. Broke it for a second there. Fixed. :)

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}} || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{LeaderBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}} || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}} || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}} || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EXP''' || {{{EXP|N/A}}} || '''Ele.''' || {{{ELE|N/A}}} || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|Unknown}}}
|}</includeonly>
<noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]]
This is a template for the enemy's status table which contains useful information about the enemy's attributes and modifiers. This template was created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] as a better means of organizing important enemy data into an accessible and readable table. Other parts of the enemy's details are in the [[Template:Enemy Drops]] and [[Template:Enemy Sighting]] templates and can be used together on enemy detail pages. Below is an example of the table (created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]]):

{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || 150% || '''ATP''' || 100% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || Takes half damage from all attacks
|-
| '''DFP''' || 100% || '''ATA''' || 150% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || 200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|-
| '''EVP''' || 100% || '''TP''' || 110% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || 200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|-
| '''MST''' || 130% || '''STA''' || 100% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || Unknown
|-
| '''EXP''' || 100% || '''Ele.''' || 100% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | None
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | None
|}

==Usage==
There are two ways to implement the table. You can take the table code itself and re-enter all of the parameters in their respective positions or you can use the template shortcut here.
<code><nowiki>{{enemy</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HP =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DFP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|EVP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|MST =130%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATA =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|TP =110%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|STA =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|StatusImmunities = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HalfDamageFrom = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
The above template code will generate the exact same table. Please refer to the parameters section for more details.

==Parameters==
All of the below parameters are optional. In the event no parameters are supplied, a table is rendered with no information. All of the unentered parameters are either '''Unknown''' or '''N/A'''. If you know that the monster does not have any special immunities or takes half damage to anything, put "None", otherwise it will display: "Unknown". You can add (or even remove) parameters where necessary.
;HP
:Indicates the enemy's hit point modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATP
:Indicates the enemy's attack power ([[ATP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;DFP
:Indicates the enemy's defense power ([[DFP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATA
:Indicates the enemy's attack accuracy ([[ATA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EVP
:Indicates the enemy's evasive power ([[EVP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;TP
:Indicates the enemy's TECHNIC power ([[TP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;MST
:Indicates the enemy's mental strength ([[MST]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;STA
:Indicates the enemy's stamina ([[STA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EXP
:Indicates the enemy's experience point ([[EXP]]) reward modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ELE
:Indicates the enemy's elemental attribute ratio modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;LeaderBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a leader ([[Image:Crown.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;SwordBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a sword ([[Image:Sword.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;ShieldBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a shield ([[Image:Shield.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;BootBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a boot ([[Image:Boot.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StaffBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a staff ([[Image:Staff.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StatusImmunities
:A description or list of immunities that the enemy has. (ex: Sleep, Confusion).
;HalfDamageFrom
:A description or list of attacks that the creature takes half damage from (ex: ranged, melee, TECHNIC)
</noinclude>

Template:Enemy

2007-09-20T18:08:13Z

Alkaven: Added ELE as a parameter.

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}} || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{LeaderBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}} || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}} || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}} || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EXP''' || {{{EXP|N/A}}} || '''Ele.''' || {{{ELE|N/A}}} [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|Unknown}}}
|}</includeonly>
<noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]]
This is a template for the enemy's status table which contains useful information about the enemy's attributes and modifiers. This template was created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] as a better means of organizing important enemy data into an accessible and readable table. Other parts of the enemy's details are in the [[Template:Enemy Drops]] and [[Template:Enemy Sighting]] templates and can be used together on enemy detail pages. Below is an example of the table (created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]]):

{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || 150% || '''ATP''' || 100% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || Takes half damage from all attacks
|-
| '''DFP''' || 100% || '''ATA''' || 150% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || 200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|-
| '''EVP''' || 100% || '''TP''' || 110% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || 200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|-
| '''MST''' || 130% || '''STA''' || 100% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || Unknown
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | 100% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || Unknown
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | None
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | None
|}

==Usage==
There are two ways to implement the table. You can take the table code itself and re-enter all of the parameters in their respective positions or you can use the template shortcut here.
<code><nowiki>{{enemy</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HP =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DFP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|EVP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|MST =130%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATA =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|TP =110%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|STA =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|StatusImmunities = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HalfDamageFrom = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
The above template code will generate the exact same table. Please refer to the parameters section for more details.

==Parameters==
All of the below parameters are optional. In the event no parameters are supplied, a table is rendered with no information. All of the unentered parameters are either '''Unknown''' or '''N/A'''. If you know that the monster does not have any special immunities or takes half damage to anything, put "None", otherwise it will display: "Unknown". You can add (or even remove) parameters where necessary.
;HP
:Indicates the enemy's hit point modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATP
:Indicates the enemy's attack power ([[ATP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;DFP
:Indicates the enemy's defense power ([[DFP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATA
:Indicates the enemy's attack accuracy ([[ATA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EVP
:Indicates the enemy's evasive power ([[EVP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;TP
:Indicates the enemy's TECHNIC power ([[TP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;MST
:Indicates the enemy's mental strength ([[MST]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;STA
:Indicates the enemy's stamina ([[STA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EXP
:Indicates the enemy's experience point ([[EXP]]) reward modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ELE
:Indicates the enemy's elemental attribute ratio modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;LeaderBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a leader ([[Image:Crown.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;SwordBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a sword ([[Image:Sword.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;ShieldBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a shield ([[Image:Shield.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;BootBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a boot ([[Image:Boot.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StaffBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a staff ([[Image:Staff.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StatusImmunities
:A description or list of immunities that the enemy has. (ex: Sleep, Confusion).
;HalfDamageFrom
:A description or list of attacks that the creature takes half damage from (ex: ranged, melee, TECHNIC)
</noinclude>

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-20T18:00:51Z

Alkaven: /* Status */

The re-PSUPedia talk:Enemy Template

2007-09-20T16:56:51Z

Alkaven: /* One extra bit of info */

==One extra bit of info==
* I just realized that you were pulling the stat modifier info from the ''Perfect Bible''. When I was checking my copy, I noticed there's another row to the right of EXP which details the enemy's elemental attribute ratio. (属性率) Glancing through, it looks like all of them are at 100%, but it would even out that section so that EXP isn't stretched out so far. Just a thought. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (BST)
* Well, I'm pulling them from the [[Monsters]] article, which Tycho created with the Perfect Bible data. I'd considered adding the elemental attribute but thought it pointless as every monster has their modifier at 100%. Still, if you think it should be in Alkaven is the guy to go to, since he wrote the table templates and he knows more about changing them than I do. I have no real objection to adding it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:35, 16 September 2007 (BST)
* Hm... I wasn't aware that there was an elemental attribute ratio for monsters. That's quite surprising. Perhaps they plan to introduce multi-element monsters someday. Like 50% fire and 50% earth. Wooo. That'd be pretty crazy. Then they might do something silly and throw in multi-element weapons someday too. Won't that just screw everything right to town? ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 05:39, 20 September 2007 (BST)
** No, I figure the point is so they could potentially adjust that value to create monsters that are hurt more/less than usual by the opposite element, if you understand what I mean. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:59, 20 September 2007 (BST)
*** It does confuse me a little bit that native monsters have a pure element associated with them. It escapes me as to why Koltova are fire element, since I can't visually see why a natural food/drink source would be any more vulnerable to ice than fire. :\ Anyway, I'll see about adding that entry to the template soon. It will have a default associated with it so if the template has been used already, it won't break anything and can be added with ease. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:56, 20 September 2007 (BST)

==Namespace?==
* Just a random thought, but it seems like this should go in the "The PSUPedia" namespace, since that's where the style manual and weapon template guide are. Any objections before I move it? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* None at all. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:20, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* No objections here, either. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:29, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* While you're mucking about in there, fix the links for the Style Manual. Redirects are silly to have in something the sidebar links to. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:55, 17 September 2007 (BST)

The re-PSUPedia talk:Enemy Template

2007-09-20T04:39:30Z

Alkaven: /* One extra bit of info */

==One extra bit of info==
* I just realized that you were pulling the stat modifier info from the ''Perfect Bible''. When I was checking my copy, I noticed there's another row to the right of EXP which details the enemy's elemental attribute ratio. (属性率) Glancing through, it looks like all of them are at 100%, but it would even out that section so that EXP isn't stretched out so far. Just a thought. ;) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (BST)
* Well, I'm pulling them from the [[Monsters]] article, which Tycho created with the Perfect Bible data. I'd considered adding the elemental attribute but thought it pointless as every monster has their modifier at 100%. Still, if you think it should be in Alkaven is the guy to go to, since he wrote the table templates and he knows more about changing them than I do. I have no real objection to adding it. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:35, 16 September 2007 (BST)
* Hm... I wasn't aware that there was an elemental attribute ratio for monsters. That's quite surprising. Perhaps they plan to introduce multi-element monsters someday. Like 50% fire and 50% earth. Wooo. That'd be pretty crazy. Then they might do something silly and throw in multi-element weapons someday too. Won't that just screw everything right to town? ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 05:39, 20 September 2007 (BST)

==Namespace?==
* Just a random thought, but it seems like this should go in the "The PSUPedia" namespace, since that's where the style manual and weapon template guide are. Any objections before I move it? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* None at all. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:20, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* No objections here, either. - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:29, 17 September 2007 (BST)
* While you're mucking about in there, fix the links for the Style Manual. Redirects are silly to have in something the sidebar links to. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:55, 17 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-16T20:43:41Z

Alkaven: /* Formal Proposal */

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** I've added a template for the enemy's status box (the first one on the page). Details can be read about it [[Template:Enemy|here]]. It doesn't really change how it looks on the page, so all the template ''really'' does is just makes the code a little more readable, cleaner, simple and such. If you don't like it, you can turf it. I would very much appreciate it if you could examine it for any possible false info (I tried to be as accurate as I could). There are two other templates I'm working on: Enemy Drops and Enemy Sightings which are the other tables, but sightings is a little complicated. :\ [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:54, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** The template looks fine to me and should make monster articles a little easier to write, so thanks for that. The sightings table is more complicated, though, indeed. If you write a template for that, can you adjust it so that there is space for two elements on a single row? Multiple elements of certain monsters can appear in the same mission (HSM Gohmon, for example). If at all possible, I'd like something like this:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mission name !! rowspan="2" | Type !! rowspan="2" | Version !! rowspan="2" colspan="2" | Element !! rowspan="2" | Ranks !! colspan="5" | Monster level
|-
! C !! B !! A !! S !! S2
|-
| [[Her Secret Mission]] || Party || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#FFCCCC" | Fire || style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-B || 16 || 46 || - || - || -
|-
| [[Rainbow Beast]] || Free || {{PSU version}} || colspan="2" style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-A || 15 || 25 || 40 || - || -
|}

* Should the table prove too difficult or complex to templatize, it'll be fine to leave it as it is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 00:53, 15 September 2007 (BST)
** I'm curious... The drop table only lists one drop per level range... Is that how it actually works? I see all sorts of drops from the same monster all the time. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:17, 15 September 2007 (BST)
*** Those are area drops. I'm assuming you mean berries, photons, synth mats, etcetera. Those are all based on the area the mission takes place in and the level of the enemy. The drops we're listing here are the "rare" items that each monster drops exclusively, or at least semi-exclusively. For example, while you may find an Acenaline from both Vanda Lv10 and Jishagara Lv10, no Jishagara lv10 will drop a Shigga Spud. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:50, 15 September 2007 (BST)
**** Wooo... Thank you. I was concerned because I was afraid it would make building the template more difficult. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:59, 15 September 2007 (BST)
***** I'm afraid the sightings table template will take a bit longer to implement. For now, the regular sightings table code can be used. It really doesn't visually change anything to start using the sightings template shortcut later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 21:43, 16 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* The sarcasm isn't necessary, and it's downright irritating. This is an attempt to improve the wiki, not to take cheap shots, and I won't tolerate any further sniping. I'm sure you can get your point across in a manner that isn't incendiary.
** Now onto your table - it works, but I still prefer the one to the side. I have to agree with Bea that having the special drops underneath looks bad when enemies have drops from 1-100+. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:36, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** ??? I wasn't really being sarcastic. I was seriously under the impression this was a fairly trivial concept. So far, the reasons for having it on the bottom have been: "It's functional, and expandable", while reasons against are: "It looks bad". So far, more people have sided against because "It looks bad", so how on earth can you say I was being sarcastic? You've seriously misunderstood me. I've worked with companies that expect me to adhere to their standards, and sometimes that standard is: "We want it to look pretty, not expandable". I assumed that was the standard for this wiki. I apologized for not understanding that sooner. In fact, I'd be even willing to make sure all of my contributions look pretty first before even considering what information I'm adding in, if that's the standard. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:13, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-15T00:59:05Z

Alkaven: /* Formal Proposal */

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** I've added a template for the enemy's status box (the first one on the page). Details can be read about it [[Template:Enemy|here]]. It doesn't really change how it looks on the page, so all the template ''really'' does is just makes the code a little more readable, cleaner, simple and such. If you don't like it, you can turf it. I would very much appreciate it if you could examine it for any possible false info (I tried to be as accurate as I could). There are two other templates I'm working on: Enemy Drops and Enemy Sightings which are the other tables, but sightings is a little complicated. :\ [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:54, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** The template looks fine to me and should make monster articles a little easier to write, so thanks for that. The sightings table is more complicated, though, indeed. If you write a template for that, can you adjust it so that there is space for two elements on a single row? Multiple elements of certain monsters can appear in the same mission (HSM Gohmon, for example). If at all possible, I'd like something like this:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mission name !! rowspan="2" | Type !! rowspan="2" | Version !! rowspan="2" colspan="2" | Element !! rowspan="2" | Ranks !! colspan="5" | Monster level
|-
! C !! B !! A !! S !! S2
|-
| [[Her Secret Mission]] || Party || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#FFCCCC" | Fire || style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-B || 16 || 46 || - || - || -
|-
| [[Rainbow Beast]] || Free || {{PSU version}} || colspan="2" style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-A || 15 || 25 || 40 || - || -
|}

* Should the table prove too difficult or complex to templatize, it'll be fine to leave it as it is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 00:53, 15 September 2007 (BST)
** I'm curious... The drop table only lists one drop per level range... Is that how it actually works? I see all sorts of drops from the same monster all the time. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:17, 15 September 2007 (BST)
*** Those are area drops. I'm assuming you mean berries, photons, synth mats, etcetera. Those are all based on the area the mission takes place in and the level of the enemy. The drops we're listing here are the "rare" items that each monster drops exclusively, or at least semi-exclusively. For example, while you may find an Acenaline from both Vanda Lv10 and Jishagara Lv10, no Jishagara lv10 will drop a Shigga Spud. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:50, 15 September 2007 (BST)
**** Wooo... Thank you. I was concerned because I was afraid it would make building the template more difficult. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:59, 15 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* The sarcasm isn't necessary, and it's downright irritating. This is an attempt to improve the wiki, not to take cheap shots, and I won't tolerate any further sniping. I'm sure you can get your point across in a manner that isn't incendiary.
** Now onto your table - it works, but I still prefer the one to the side. I have to agree with Bea that having the special drops underneath looks bad when enemies have drops from 1-100+. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:36, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** ??? I wasn't really being sarcastic. I was seriously under the impression this was a fairly trivial concept. So far, the reasons for having it on the bottom have been: "It's functional, and expandable", while reasons against are: "It looks bad". So far, more people have sided against because "It looks bad", so how on earth can you say I was being sarcastic? You've seriously misunderstood me. I've worked with companies that expect me to adhere to their standards, and sometimes that standard is: "We want it to look pretty, not expandable". I assumed that was the standard for this wiki. I apologized for not understanding that sooner. In fact, I'd be even willing to make sure all of my contributions look pretty first before even considering what information I'm adding in, if that's the standard. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:13, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-15T00:17:35Z

Alkaven: /* Formal Proposal */

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** I've added a template for the enemy's status box (the first one on the page). Details can be read about it [[Template:Enemy|here]]. It doesn't really change how it looks on the page, so all the template ''really'' does is just makes the code a little more readable, cleaner, simple and such. If you don't like it, you can turf it. I would very much appreciate it if you could examine it for any possible false info (I tried to be as accurate as I could). There are two other templates I'm working on: Enemy Drops and Enemy Sightings which are the other tables, but sightings is a little complicated. :\ [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:54, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** The template looks fine to me and should make monster articles a little easier to write, so thanks for that. The sightings table is more complicated, though, indeed. If you write a template for that, can you adjust it so that there is space for two elements on a single row? Multiple elements of certain monsters can appear in the same mission (HSM Gohmon, for example). If at all possible, I'd like something like this:

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! rowspan="2" | Mission name !! rowspan="2" | Type !! rowspan="2" | Version !! rowspan="2" colspan="2" | Element !! rowspan="2" | Ranks !! colspan="5" | Monster level
|-
! C !! B !! A !! S !! S2
|-
| [[Her Secret Mission]] || Party || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#FFCCCC" | Fire || style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-B || 16 || 46 || - || - || -
|-
| [[Rainbow Beast]] || Free || {{PSU version}} || colspan="2" style="background:#CCCCFF" | Ice || C-A || 15 || 25 || 40 || - || -
|}

* Should the table prove too difficult or complex to templatize, it'll be fine to leave it as it is. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 00:53, 15 September 2007 (BST)
** I'm curious... The drop table only lists one drop per level range... Is that how it actually works? I see all sorts of drops from the same monster all the time. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:17, 15 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* The sarcasm isn't necessary, and it's downright irritating. This is an attempt to improve the wiki, not to take cheap shots, and I won't tolerate any further sniping. I'm sure you can get your point across in a manner that isn't incendiary.
** Now onto your table - it works, but I still prefer the one to the side. I have to agree with Bea that having the special drops underneath looks bad when enemies have drops from 1-100+. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:36, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** ??? I wasn't really being sarcastic. I was seriously under the impression this was a fairly trivial concept. So far, the reasons for having it on the bottom have been: "It's functional, and expandable", while reasons against are: "It looks bad". So far, more people have sided against because "It looks bad", so how on earth can you say I was being sarcastic? You've seriously misunderstood me. I've worked with companies that expect me to adhere to their standards, and sometimes that standard is: "We want it to look pretty, not expandable". I assumed that was the standard for this wiki. I apologized for not understanding that sooner. In fact, I'd be even willing to make sure all of my contributions look pretty first before even considering what information I'm adding in, if that's the standard. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:13, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Template talk:Enemy Drops

2007-09-14T23:14:30Z

Alkaven: New page: Still working on this page. ~~~~

Still working on this page. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 00:14, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Template:Enemy Drops

2007-09-14T23:14:06Z

Alkaven:

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop1|-}}} || '''1-9''' || {{{DropLv1to9|-}}} || '''50-59''' || {{{DropLv50to59|-}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop2|-}}} || '''10-19''' || {{{DropLv10to19|-}}} || '''60-69''' || {{{DropLv60to69|-}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop3|-}}} || '''20-29''' || {{{DropLv20to29|-}}} || '''70-79''' || {{{DropLv70to79|-}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop4|-}}} || '''30-39''' || {{{DropLv30to39|-}}} || '''80-99''' || {{{DropLv80to99|-}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop5|-}}} || '''40-49''' || {{{DropLv40to49|-}}} || '''100+''' || {{{DropLv100up|-}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
This template is for the enemy's drop data table that appears on the enemy's detail page. It was created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] as a better means of organizing important enemy data in an accessible and readable format. Other parts of the enemy's details are in the [[Template:Enemy]] and [[Template:Enemy Sighting]] templates.
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}
==Usage==
There are two ways to implement the table. You can take the table code itself and re-enter all of the parameters in their respective positions or you can use the template shortcut here.
<code><nowiki>{{Enemy Drops</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|SpecialDrop1= [[Vanda Derma]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DropLv1to9= [[Shigga Damud]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DropLv10to19= [[Shigga Spud]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DropLv20to29= [[Shigga Wadda]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DropLv30to39= [[Shigga Bigul]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DropLv40to49= [[Shigga Amza]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
The above code will produce the drops table listed above.
</noinclude>

Template:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:59:48Z

Alkaven:

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}} || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{LeaderBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}} || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}} || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}} || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | {{{EXP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|Unknown}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]]
This is a template for the enemy's status table which contains useful information about the enemy's attributes and modifiers. This template was created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] as a better means of organizing important enemy data into an accessible and readable table. Other parts of the enemy's details are in the [[Template:Enemy Drops]] and [[Template:Enemy Sighting]] templates and can be used together on enemy detail pages. Below is an example of the table (created by [[User:Mewn|Mewn]]):

{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || 150% || '''ATP''' || 100% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || Takes half damage from all attacks
|-
| '''DFP''' || 100% || '''ATA''' || 150% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || 200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|-
| '''EVP''' || 100% || '''TP''' || 110% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || 200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|-
| '''MST''' || 130% || '''STA''' || 100% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || Unknown
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | 100% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || Unknown
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | None
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | None
|}

==Usage==
There are two ways to implement the table. You can take the table code itself and re-enter all of the parameters in their respective positions or you can use the template shortcut here.
<code><nowiki>{{enemy</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HP =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DFP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|EVP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|MST =130%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATA =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|TP =110%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|STA =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|StatusImmunities = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HalfDamageFrom = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
The above template code will generate the exact same table. Please refer to the parameters section for more details.

==Parameters==
All of the below parameters are optional. In the event no parameters are supplied, a table is rendered with no information. All of the unentered parameters are either '''Unknown''' or '''N/A'''. If you know that the monster does not have any special immunities or takes half damage to anything, put "None", otherwise it will display: "Unknown". You can add (or even remove) parameters where necessary.
;HP
:Indicates the enemy's hit point modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATP
:Indicates the enemy's attack power ([[ATP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;DFP
:Indicates the enemy's defense power ([[DFP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATA
:Indicates the enemy's attack accuracy ([[ATA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EVP
:Indicates the enemy's evasive power ([[EVP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;TP
:Indicates the enemy's TECHNIC power ([[TP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;MST
:Indicates the enemy's mental strength ([[MST]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;STA
:Indicates the enemy's stamina ([[STA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EXP
:Indicates the enemy's experience point ([[EXP]]) reward modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;LeaderBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a leader ([[Image:Crown.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;SwordBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a sword ([[Image:Sword.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;ShieldBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a shield ([[Image:Shield.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;BootBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a boot ([[Image:Boot.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StaffBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a staff ([[Image:Staff.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StatusImmunities
:A description or list of immunities that the enemy has. (ex: Sleep, Confusion).
;HalfDamageFrom
:A description or list of attacks that the creature takes half damage from (ex: ranged, melee, TECHNIC)
</noinclude>

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:58:19Z

Alkaven:

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-14T22:54:40Z

Alkaven: /* Formal Proposal */

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** I've added a template for the enemy's status box (the first one on the page). Details can be read about it [[Template:Enemy|here]]. It doesn't really change how it looks on the page, so all the template ''really'' does is just makes the code a little more readable, cleaner, simple and such. If you don't like it, you can turf it. I would very much appreciate it if you could examine it for any possible false info (I tried to be as accurate as I could). There are two other templates I'm working on: Enemy Drops and Enemy Sightings which are the other tables, but sightings is a little complicated. :\ [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:54, 14 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* The sarcasm isn't necessary, and it's downright irritating. This is an attempt to improve the wiki, not to take cheap shots, and I won't tolerate any further sniping. I'm sure you can get your point across in a manner that isn't incendiary.
** Now onto your table - it works, but I still prefer the one to the side. I have to agree with Bea that having the special drops underneath looks bad when enemies have drops from 1-100+. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:36, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** ??? I wasn't really being sarcastic. I was seriously under the impression this was a fairly trivial concept. So far, the reasons for having it on the bottom have been: "It's functional, and expandable", while reasons against are: "It looks bad". So far, more people have sided against because "It looks bad", so how on earth can you say I was being sarcastic? You've seriously misunderstood me. I've worked with companies that expect me to adhere to their standards, and sometimes that standard is: "We want it to look pretty, not expandable". I assumed that was the standard for this wiki. I apologized for not understanding that sooner. In fact, I'd be even willing to make sure all of my contributions look pretty first before even considering what information I'm adding in, if that's the standard. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:13, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Template:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:49:57Z

Alkaven: Gave it a fancy overview and description

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}} || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{LeaderBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}} || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}} || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}} || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}} || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | {{{EXP|N/A}}} || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|Unknown}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]]
This is a template for the enemy's status table which contains useful information about the enemy's attributes and modifiers. This template was created by [[Mewn]] as a better means of organizing important enemy data into an accessible and readable table. Other parts of the enemy's details are in the [[Template:Enemy Drops]] and [[Template:Enemy Sighting]] templates and can be used together on enemy detail pages. Below is an example of the table (created by [[Mewn]]):

{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || 150% || '''ATP''' || 100% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || Takes half damage from all attacks
|-
| '''DFP''' || 100% || '''ATA''' || 150% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || 200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|-
| '''EVP''' || 100% || '''TP''' || 110% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || 200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|-
| '''MST''' || 130% || '''STA''' || 100% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || Unknown
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | 100% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || Unknown
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | None
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | None
|}

==Usage==
There are two ways to implement the table. You can take the table code itself and re-enter all of the parameters in their respective positions or you can use the template shortcut here.
<code><nowiki>{{enemy</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HP =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|DFP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|EVP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|MST =130%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATP =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ATA =150%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|TP =110%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|STA =100%</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|StatusImmunities = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>|HalfDamageFrom = None</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
The above template code will generate the exact same table. Please refer to the parameters section for more details.

==Parameters==
All of the below parameters are optional. In the event no parameters are supplied, a table is rendered with no information. All of the unentered parameters are either '''Unknown''' or '''N/A'''. If you know that the monster does not have any special immunities or takes half damage to anything, put "None", otherwise it will display: "Unknown". You can add (or even remove) parameters where necessary.
;HP
:Indicates the enemy's hit point modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATP
:Indicates the enemy's attack power ([[ATP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;DFP
:Indicates the enemy's defense power ([[DFP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;ATA
:Indicates the enemy's attack accuracy ([[ATA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EVP
:Indicates the enemy's evasive power ([[EVP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;TP
:Indicates the enemy's TECHNIC power ([[TP]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;MST
:Indicates the enemy's mental strength ([[MST]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;STA
:Indicates the enemy's stamina ([[STA]]) modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;EXP
:Indicates the enemy's experience point ([[EXP]]) reward modifier (must be a percentage (ex: 100%)).
;LeaderBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a leader ([[Image:Crown.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;SwordBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a sword ([[Image:Sword.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;ShieldBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a shield ([[Image:Shield.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;BootBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a boot ([[Image:Boot.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StaffBoost
:A description of the enemy's modified attributes when they have a staff ([[Image:Staff.png]]) attribute associated with them.
;StatusImmunities
:A description or list of immunities that the enemy has. (ex: Sleep, Confusion).
;HalfDamageFrom
:A description or list of attacks that the creature takes half damage from (ex: ranged, melee, TECHNIC)
</noinclude>

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:16:58Z

Alkaven: /* Status */

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:13:01Z

Alkaven: Testing drop template

This has not yet been tested yet. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:57, 14 September 2007 (BST)

== Status ==
{{enemy
|HP =150%
|DFP =100%
|EVP =100%
|MST =130%
|ATA =100%
|ATA =150%
|TP =110%
|STA =100%
|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks
|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|StatusImmunities = None
|HalfDamageFrom = None
}}

== Drops ==
{{Enemy Drops
|SpecialDrop1= [[Vanda Derma]]
|DropLv1to9= [[Shigga Damud]]
|DropLv10to19= [[Shigga Spud]]
|DropLv20to29= [[Shigga Wadda]]
|DropLv30to39= [[Shigga Bigul]]
|DropLv40to49= [[Shigga Amza]]
}}

Template:Enemy Drops

2007-09-14T22:10:57Z

Alkaven: Added defaults

Template:Enemy Drops

2007-09-14T22:09:48Z

Alkaven: Template for Enemy Drops (Under Construction)

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop1}}} || '''1-9''' || {{{DropLv1to9}}} || '''50-59''' || {{{DropLv50to59}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop2}}} || '''10-19''' || {{{DropLv10to19}}} || '''60-69''' || {{{DropLv60to69}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop3}}} || '''20-29''' || {{{DropLv20to29}}} || '''70-79''' || {{{DropLv70to79}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop4}}} || '''30-39''' || {{{DropLv30to39}}} || '''80-99''' || {{{DropLv80to99}}}
|-
| {{{SpecialDrop5}}} || '''40-49''' || {{{DropLv40to49}}} || '''100+''' || {{{DropLv100up}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
(Under Construction)
</noinclude>

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:05:33Z

Alkaven:

This has not yet been tested yet. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:57, 14 September 2007 (BST)

== Demo ==
{{enemy
|HP =150%
|DFP =100%
|EVP =100%
|MST =130%
|ATA =100%
|ATA =150%
|TP =110%
|STA =100%
|LeaderBoost=Takes half damage from all attacks
|SwordBoost =200% ATP, 120% ATA, 120% STA, 200% TP
|ShieldBoost=200% DFP, 250% STA, halves damage from ranged attacks
|StatusImmunities = None
|HalfDamageFrom = None
}}[[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 23:05, 14 September 2007 (BST)

Template:Enemy

2007-09-14T22:04:28Z

Alkaven: Changed a few parameters

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}}% || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{LeaderBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}}% || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}}% || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}}% || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | {{{EXP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|Unknown}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|Unknown}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|Unknown}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
Under Construction
</noinclude>

Template talk:Enemy

2007-09-14T21:57:40Z

Alkaven: New page: This has not yet been tested yet. ~~~~

This has not yet been tested yet. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:57, 14 September 2007 (BST)

Template:Enemy

2007-09-14T21:57:02Z

Alkaven: Unfinished - Work in progress

<includeonly>
{|class="wikitable" style="align-left"
|-
! colspan="4" | [[Monster Stats|Stat]] modifiers !! colspan="2" | Boosts
|-
| '''HP''' || {{{HP|N/A}}}% || '''ATP''' || {{{ATP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Crown.png]] || {{{CrownBoost|N/A}}}
|-
| '''DFP''' || {{{DFP|N/A}}}% || '''ATA''' || {{{ATA|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Sword.png]] || {{{SwordBoost|N/A}}}
|-
| '''EVP''' || {{{EVP|N/A}}}% || '''TP''' || {{{TP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Shield.png]] || {{{ShieldBoost|N/A}}}
|-
| '''MST''' || {{{MST|N/A}}}% || '''STA''' || {{{STA|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Boot.png]] || {{{BootBoost|N/A}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''EXP''' || colspan="2" | {{{EXP|N/A}}}% || [[Image:Staff.png]] || {{{StaffBoost|N/A}}}
|-
! colspan="6" | Status
|-
| colspan="2" | '''[[Status Effects|SE]] immunities''' || colspan="4" | {{{StatusImmunities|None}}}
|-
| colspan="2" | '''Half damage from''' || colspan="4" | {{{HalfDamageFrom|None}}}
|}
</includeonly>
<noinclude>
Under Construction
</noinclude>

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-14T16:13:09Z

Alkaven:

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* The sarcasm isn't necessary, and it's downright irritating. This is an attempt to improve the wiki, not to take cheap shots, and I won't tolerate any further sniping. I'm sure you can get your point across in a manner that isn't incendiary.
** Now onto your table - it works, but I still prefer the one to the side. I have to agree with Bea that having the special drops underneath looks bad when enemies have drops from 1-100+. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 13:36, 14 September 2007 (BST)
** ??? I wasn't really being sarcastic. I was seriously under the impression this was a fairly trivial concept. So far, the reasons for having it on the bottom have been: "It's functional, and expandable", while reasons against are: "It looks bad". So far, more people have sided against because "It looks bad", so how on earth can you say I was being sarcastic? You've seriously misunderstood me. I've worked with companies that expect me to adhere to their standards, and sometimes that standard is: "We want it to look pretty, not expandable". I assumed that was the standard for this wiki. I apologized for not understanding that sooner. In fact, I'd be even willing to make sure all of my contributions look pretty first before even considering what information I'm adding in, if that's the standard. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:13, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-14T06:24:10Z

Alkaven:

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-14T06:18:16Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

== Formal Proposal ==
* I am satisfied with the template as it is and I'd like to see it implemented quickly, if possible, so we can start on tidying up the enemy articles. As a result, I will be formally proposing a final version of this on the [[Talk:Manual of Style|Manual of Style discussion page]] sometime tomorrow as the 'enemy template'. If anyone has any more comments, criticisms, counter-proposals or objections, get them in ASAP, please. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:29, 13 September 2007 (BST)

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)
**** A 'boss' flag can be added easily enough. There is a reason I didn't put stat bonuses for staff and boot in, and that's simply that I don't know them. I'll try fitting them into the table in the event they will be discovered though. Oh, and that table I said I'd do earlier...

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || - || - || -
|}

* I prefer it to the side, still. Mostly because the width of the columns is uneven and I don't want to mess around with fixed widths. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:03, 13 September 2007 (BST)
** Why couldn't you just expand the "Special Drops" section downwards if there is more than one special drop? Like so:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}
** This way, the un-even column widths don't muck anything up, there isn't a static limit of 5 special drops, and the higher level drop details on the right still show. :) On top of that, the label columns are tight and wrapped nicely around the level range displayed, which is great of left-to-right real-estate. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 01:35, 14 September 2007 (BST)

*** IMO this would get kind of ugly with enemies who actually stay the same below and above 50. For example:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Level || Drop
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || [[Shigga Wigga]]
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || [[Purple Drank]]
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || [[Shigga Bigga]]
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || [[Malt Ligga]]
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [[Tsumikiri J-Sword]]
|-
! colspan="4"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="4" | [[Vanda Derma]]
|-
| colspan="4" | [[The Mysterious Drop of Doom]]
|}

Really wide columns with centering and lots of white space look ugly. :/ --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:55, 14 September 2007 (BST)
* Looks like the same amount if not less white space vertically when it's on the side. :\ Variable height or look-and-feel. I was under the impression this wiki was trying to deliver organized and functional information and data to players, but it seems I was mistaken. I'm sorry. I will make absolutely sure that every contribution I make from now on will have pretty tullips and roses in it so that it's more visually appealing and difficult to expand upon. :) You can totally count on me for that. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 07:18, 14 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-14T00:35:05Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

Phantom

2007-09-13T13:28:29Z

Alkaven: /* Stats, synthesis, etc. */

[[Image:Phantom.jpg|thumb|175px|right|A female CAST wielding the Phantom.]]
''A limited-edition rifle designed with maximum power in mind, very few can control its destructive power.'' 

{{9 stars}}

==Item details==
* Receives a [[Set bonuses | set bonus]] of ATP +121, ATA +74 and DFP +28 when used with the [[Phantom Line]]. 

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Type''' || [[Rifles|Rifle]] || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''PP''' || 1263
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Rarity'''|| {{Color-A}}|9★ || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATP''' || 541
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Version''' || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATA''' || 188
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Mfg.''' || {{Logo-G}} | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Req.''' || 158
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Board Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Photon''' || [[Im-photon]] x10 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ore''' || [[Vulcaline]] x6
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Metal''' || [[Chicotite]] x9 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Wood''' || [[Par Ebon]] x9
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 3 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Rate''' || 23-??%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || ??:?? || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Used''' || [B] Phantom
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | '''Pricing Information'''
|- style="background:#f2f2f2"
| colspan="2"|'''Weapon''' || colspan="2"|'''Board'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || 165000
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 37500 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 8250
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || MA-GRMS
|}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="12"| '''Grinding Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Stat''' || '''+0''' || '''+1''' || '''+2''' || '''+3''' || '''+4''' || '''+5''' || '''+6''' || '''+7''' || '''+8''' || '''+9''' || '''+10'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''PP''' || 1263 || 1302 || 1329 || ??? || ??? || 1422|| 1461 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''ATP''' || 541 || 551 || 558 || ??? || ??? || 582 || 592 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4" | '''Drop Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Enemy/Mission''' || '''Level''' || '''Type'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Grinna Bete S]] || 80-99 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[GSM-05B Bomalta]] || 100-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Shagreece]] || 80-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[The Dual Sentinel]] || S2 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Special Ops (Kanohne)]] || 80-119 || Board
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Plains Overlord]] || S2 || Board
|}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
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[[Category:Rifles]]

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-13T03:06:13Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Level drops from enemies are just that - based on the level of the monster. The location doesn't matter for either level or special drops. As for the location of the Special Drops, I'll knock up another table with them positioned below later, but I personally prefer them to the side. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:07, 12 September 2007 (BST)
**** Aha! I noticed one thing missing. Some sort of 'flag' that indicates whether the monster is a "Boss" or not. It's also missing stat bonuses for staff and boot (assuming sword and shield represented the icons by their name. Staff and boot represent TP boost and EVA/ATA boost I assume) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 04:06, 13 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-12T17:17:15Z

Alkaven: /* Alkaven */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 52
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv8
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-12T17:09:12Z

Alkaven: /* Alkaven */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| border="0" valign="top"
|-
|
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 52
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}
||
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv8
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

Phantom

2007-09-12T17:07:15Z

Alkaven: Added +3 grinder info

[[Image:Phantom.jpg|thumb|175px|right|A female CAST wielding the Phantom.]]
''A limited-edition rifle designed with maximum power in mind, very few can control its destructive power.'' 

{{9 stars}}

==Item details==
* Receives a [[Set bonuses | set bonus]] of ATP +121, ATA +74 and DFP +28 when used with the [[Phantom Line]]. 

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Type''' || [[Rifles|Rifle]] || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''PP''' || 1263
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Rarity'''|| {{Color-A}}|9★ || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATP''' || 541
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Version''' || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATA''' || 188
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Mfg.''' || {{Logo-G}} | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Req.''' || 158
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Board Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Photon''' || [[Im-photon]] x10 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ore''' || [[Vulcaline]] x6
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Metal''' || [[Chicotite]] x9 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Wood''' || [[Par Ebon]] x9
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 3 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Rate''' || 23-??%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || ??:?? || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Used''' || [B] Phantom
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | '''Pricing Information'''
|- style="background:#f2f2f2"
| colspan="2"|'''Weapon''' || colspan="2"|'''Board'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || 165000
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 37500 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 8250
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || MA-GRMS
|}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="12"| '''Grinding Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Stat''' || '''+0''' || '''+1''' || '''+2''' || '''+3''' || '''+4''' || '''+5''' || '''+6''' || '''+7''' || '''+8''' || '''+9''' || '''+10'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''PP''' || 1263 || 1302 || 1329 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''ATP''' || 541 || 551 || 558 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4" | '''Drop Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Enemy/Mission''' || '''Level''' || '''Type'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Grinna Bete S]] || 80-99 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[GSM-05B Bomalta]] || 100-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Shagreece]] || 80-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[The Dual Sentinel]] || S2 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Special Ops (Kanohne)]] || 80-119 || Board
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Plains Overlord]] || S2 || Board
|}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
* No images currently exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!

[[Category:Rifles]]

Phantom

2007-09-12T17:03:46Z

Alkaven: Added +1 grinder info

[[Image:Phantom.jpg|thumb|175px|right|A female CAST wielding the Phantom.]]
''A limited-edition rifle designed with maximum power in mind, very few can control its destructive power.'' 

{{9 stars}}

==Item details==
* Receives a [[Set bonuses | set bonus]] of ATP +121, ATA +74 and DFP +28 when used with the [[Phantom Line]]. 

==Stats, synthesis, etc.==
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Type''' || [[Rifles|Rifle]] || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''PP''' || 1263
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Rarity'''|| {{Color-A}}|9★ || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATP''' || 541
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Version''' || {{PSU version}} || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''ATA''' || 188
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Mfg.''' || {{Logo-G}} | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Req.''' || 158
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''Board Stats'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Photon''' || [[Im-photon]] x10 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Ore''' || [[Vulcaline]] x6
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Metal''' || [[Chicotite]] x9 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Wood''' || [[Par Ebon]] x9
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 3 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Rate''' || 23-??%
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || ??:?? || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Used''' || [B] Phantom
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | '''Pricing Information'''
|- style="background:#f2f2f2"
| colspan="2"|'''Weapon''' || colspan="2"|'''Board'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || N/A || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Buy Price''' || 165000
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 37500 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Sell Price''' || 8250
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || None || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Shop Location''' || MA-GRMS
|}
|}
|}
{| border="0" width="100%"
{| border="0" align="center"
|- valign="top"
|
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="12"| '''Grinding Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Stat''' || '''+0''' || '''+1''' || '''+2''' || '''+3''' || '''+4''' || '''+5''' || '''+6''' || '''+7''' || '''+8''' || '''+9''' || '''+10'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''PP''' || 1263 || 1302 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| style="background:#f2f2f2"|'''ATP''' || 541 || 551 || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ??? || ???
|}
||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-style="background:#e8e8e8"
| colspan="4" | '''Drop Information'''
|-style="background:#f2f2f2"
| '''Enemy/Mission''' || '''Level''' || '''Type'''
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Grinna Bete S]] || 80-99 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[GSM-05B Bomalta]] || 100-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Shagreece]] || 80-119 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[The Dual Sentinel]] || S2 || Weapon
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Special Ops (Kanohne)]] || 80-119 || Board
|-style="background:#f9f9f9"
| [[Plains Overlord]] || S2 || Board
|}
|}
|}

==Image gallery==
* No images currently exist for this weapon! [[Special:Upload|Click here]] to upload an image and help us develop this page!

[[Category:Rifles]]

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-12T16:10:21Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

== Alternative drop table layout proposal ==

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:left"
|-
| '''Special''' || colspan="3" | Vanda Derma
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || [B] [[Shigga Desta]]
|}

* Hmm.. that's good, but it could be improved upon a lot, I don't like having the special drops at the top. Perhaps I'll make a second proposal, taking the best from each of our tables.

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Special drops !! colspan="4" | Level drops
|-
| [[Vanda Derma]] || '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || '''50-59''' || -
|-
| - || '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || '''60-69''' || -
|-
| - || '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || '''70-79''' || -
|-
| - || '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || '''80-99''' || -
|-
| - || '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || '''100+''' || -
|}

* Space for 5 special drops might be overkill, but I'll just consider it as future-proofing. I consider Vahra and Vahra Merha to be different monsters, so drops from 50 onwards can be listed on Vanda Merha's page if this is accepted, but still, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that. If enough people disagree the drops for both forms can be listed twice. I just find it redundant. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 18:42, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I agree that they should be considered different enemies. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** I prefer to see all variations of a monster on a single page, simply because I won't have to go through multiple pages to find all information on a certain enemy. Call me lazy ;) And to me they're just the same monster that's wearing different clothes at high levels. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 09:21, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* I love it! Has this been accepted as the standard yet? Is there a shortcut template for it? :D [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
** Not just yet. Ideas and proposals for it only just started today, so it's getting there. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:37, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** ... But... I wanna use it now... Can't I just start using it, and then... we can like... Decide on it later? :( [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)
*** It's still a WIP, really. I'm waiting for more comments, criticism etc. so I can tweak it and make it better. Sometime in the next few days when I'm satisfied I'll formally propose it as the standard. Unless someone raises objections it'll be accepted and then we can use it. I don't want it to be used just yet because if significant changes are made (or another standard altogether adopted), it means a lot of work is wasted.
*** As for templatizing it, I'm not good at programming templates, I'll admit, and I'm happy just to use an existing article (or maybe a special template article) as the framework for another article. It's easy enough when you learn wikisyntax, there isn't anything particularly complicated in the article imo. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Well... I'm an experienced web/software developer. I don't think I have access to the wiki templates, so I can't attempt to do anything with them. Otherwise I would make one of this. I can't see turning this into a template being a bad thing because it would definitely make it easier to make changes later. :) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 22:12, 11 September 2007 (BST)
**** Templates are just regular pages, really. Anyone can create and edit them so long as the specific page hasn't been locked (which is rare here, most vandals gave up a while back). You just have to create them under the Template namespace (e.g. Template:Monster Infobox). If you want to try making a template, be my guest. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 23:08, 11 September 2007 (BST)
***** I would like to attempt to create a ''template'' of this then, simply because it would be a lot easier to manage. I'll see what I can do in a small amount of time, then you can all test it and such. I feel a bit confident about how it works now. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

*Might I suggest the following?

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
! Level || Drop || Location
|-
| '''1-9''' || [[Shigga Damud]] || [[System Defense]] C (etc.)
|-
| '''10-19''' || [[Shigga Spud]] || <applicable mission here>
|-
| '''20-29''' || [[Shigga Wadda]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''30-39''' || [[Shigga Bigul]] || <ditto>
|-
| '''40-49''' || [[Shigga Amza]] || <ditto>
|-
! colspan="3"| Special drops
|-
| colspan="3"|[[Vanda Derma]]
|}

Just throwing this out there for the sake of a possible alternative. I'd be fine with any of the possibilities. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:01, 12 September 2007 (BST)

* Well, that'd be useful, sure, but I'm not really keen on it. It means more work for anyone using this template to write up monster articles, and it's not really necessary when you can look at the sightings table and see what level the monster appears at quickly. In short, too much bother for too little time saved for the user, in my opinion. What do others think? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:54, 12 September 2007 (BST)
** It does look good, but I agree with Mewn. With the sightings table right below the drop info, there isn't much need for the missions column in the drop table. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:11, 12 September 2007 (BST)
*** Perhaps the suggestion was meant to include dropping the sightings table if the drops depend on location moreso than level. I'm not sure myself, honestly. If drops appear based on location and rank, I would say the above makes sense. But if drops depend on the monster's level, then I would agree that the above isn't really necessary. However, I much more prefer the way the "Special Drops" is positioned in the above table. It seems cleaner and it solves the "5 special drops might be too overboard" problem. ;) [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (BST)

==One quick thing==
* Forgot to say it before, but ''enemy'', please, not ''monster''. ::runs:: [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:12, 12 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-11T21:12:09Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-11T21:01:25Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

User talk:Mewn/Monster Template

2007-09-11T19:39:27Z

Alkaven: /* Alternative drop table layout proposal */

User talk:Qwerty

2007-09-11T18:47:00Z

Alkaven: Monster Pages Question

What the fuck? Why did Asim ban Qwerty? This doesn't make sense. [[User:Tycho|Tycho]]
: before you guys jump all over it, it was a mistake. asim did it while trying to ban the vandals. '''everybody hates [[user:Ahzi|Ahzi]]''' 01:13, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
: He should take more care then, it was '''me''' who woke up this morning to find a PM from Qwerty asking to be unbanned. y halo 'wtf' moment. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]]

=="Also, why don't we rowspan the star rarity columns? It looks silly without it."==
*Simple enough. It breaks the table every other page load. Discussion along that line took place [[Talk:Sandbox:Spears|here]], though by "discussion" I mean "monologue" as everyone else refused to comment on the "lol break" thing and I got fed up waiting. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 02:08, 26 June 2007 (BST)
** I think nobody commented because nobody except yourself experiences it. Maybe I'm wrong in making that big of an assumption, but I myself have never had that problem, nor has anyone else I've heard from. But yeah, in opinion, it looks ugly this way. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 02:27, 26 June 2007 (BST)
** Tych does. I know that much. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 07:13, 26 June 2007 (BST)
** I didn't want to assume that either, but I've never seen a problem with it as well. :/ - [[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 16:46, 26 June 2007 (BST)

==About the ban==
My mistake about that; the timing seemed too perfect between the edits, as if you were an alias of Ravenx2 or Seras' friend (I believe that's the story, it wasn't actually him? Who could have guessed). It was an understandable mistake, though. I thought Qwerty was an alias could have been to take your name in vane and to play around with us because they just wanted to have a short laugh and then practically revert everything, I don't know how to track IPs and I was the only sysop to stop what was happening. I did it to protect the site and I wasn't prepared to take precautions. I was very paranoid, but luckily it was '''me''' who has the nice time zones required to ban those in time even though you did a great job at reverting the edits and yeah didn't know you weren't one of them.

Also for any sysops who clearly didn't take enough damn time to realize I could be confused (and for good reason) and think I should have taken more time to analyse everything, I really didn't have time I needed to sleep (it's a rl thing) and I didn't want any more vandalism on the recent changes page and I knew you guys wouldn't be on the site until hours later where we could already have 200 edits of penis. Sorry Qwerty, if you would like to contact me privately my MSN it's syedasim@psupedia.org. [[User:SAsim|Asim]] ( [[User talk:SAsim|T]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/SAsim|C]]<tt>·</tt>)
* it's alright brah, easy enough mistake to make '''everybody hates [[user:Ahzi|Ahzi]]''' 14:02, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

* No problem, Asim, I knew it was a mistake. I wasn't really angry as much as I was just confused. And the only reason the time between the edits was like that was because, by some stroke of (mis)fortune, I happened to log on just after they started the attack. Then I just mashed F5 over and over on the Recent Updates page and fixed each one as they did it. At any rate, do not worry about it, it's all fixed now. [[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:29, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

==Sysop==
*I would like to say Congrats on gaining the spot! Beats me what you can do fully, but hey, someone needs to do some kinda job ^_^ Good luck now! [[User:Rydia|Rydia]] 14:26, 30 November 2006 (PST)

== Dvorak ==

Do you hate Dvorak?

* Actually, his PSU character is named Dvorak. >_> - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 01:32, 2 December 2006 (PST)

== IP Ban 24.15.184.31 ==
"24.15.184.31 (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (Vandalism. Appears to be OptimusPrime, certainly an undesirable type, hence the infini-ban.)

It's no more likely that it's optimusprime than it being joesmo, if you actually look at his full revision history it starts with "fuck you all" then goes to "OptimusPrime Owns you all!!" + *Link removed* as a link/image. Then he reverts the link/image out. The screen shot he had posted for a minute originated from a character called Bones but there is no way to tell if thats a first hand screen shot or secondhand. Could be anyone in reality... regardless gone now, just felt the need to comment since we were making an assumption of identity with no correlating evidence. [[User:Shadus|Sidhe]] 05:51, 6 December 2006 (PST)

* Well, he did say 'appears to be OptimusPrime', which to me shows doubt that it is in fact, OptimusPrime. I think a plain assumption of identity would have been, '(Vandalism. Is OptimusPrime)'. I think the important thing here is the 'certainly an undesirable type' which holds true and is the reason for the infinite banning.
** On another note, I removed the link to certain forums, for reasons I hope are obvious. [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 06:47, 6 December 2006 (PST)

*Exactly, Mewn. Furthermore, I really don't care who it was; anyone else who wants to try to pull this shit can earn an eternal ban as well. Someone is not going to go from spamming vandal to helpful contributor; it simply won't happen. I appreciate the feedback, but, no, the infini-ban will stand for this user and anyone else who acts similarly. [[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 22:05, 6 December 2006 (PST)
** Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting it shouldn't be an eternal ban :P Just commenting we may not want to assume who it was /shrug/, I honestly couldn't care how long someones ban is for, if they got banned based on the banned log, it was vandalism.. and that deserves a ban, ive run a wiki before and it gets old real quick cleaning up spammers and griefer messes. Just commenting, if I disagreed on the ban itself i'd have put it on the talk page for the ip :P

==Stuff==

Didn't edit anyone's pages. ^^;

No edits, all I did, was view source code so I could use as template for mine ^^, if it says I edited, gomen.

*Try not to divide conversations across multiple talk pages. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. And what does "gomen" mean? And yes, you did edit the title of his character data section. You changed it from "PSU character ogod" or whatever to something like "PSU character information." I'm sure it was just a mistake and that you didn't mean to save the edit, so it's alright. [[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:27, 14 December 2006 (PST)

== Proposed New Logo ==

I have it here at [[User:Shinzakura/Sandbox]]. Please let me know if this works and I can tweak or prepare a finalized version as necessary. Thanks.--[[User:Shinzakura|Shinzakura]] 21:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

==About Redundancy lol==
lol sorry bout to redundancy to the 3 hive monsters. I just wanted to let ppl know which of the hive monsters did use megid. Cuz Hives r the most dangerous places to be at and getting caught unprepared costs either a scape or a forces pp to use [[giresta]] and I liked writing their descriptions and just wanted to jazz up the pages. But yeah sorry bout the redundancy.

Sincerly, [[User:BRayJ|BRayJ]]

== hay ==
make me a sysop nao --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 08:30, 27 August 2007 (BST)
* no, stfu *goes and blocks Beatrixkiddo* --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 08:32, 27 August 2007 (BST)
* o lawd is dat sum powar abuse - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:29, 27 August 2007 (BST)

== Monster Pages ==
This might sound a little nit-picky, but the monster pages looks a little ugly and could probably be laid out a bit better (not talking about the 'lists of monsters' pages). There's no "link" to the missions they appear in (the actual mission pages), no strategy section, and the table looks inconsistent with the rest of the wiki tables found throughout the wiki. I don't mind making changes myself if I'm allowed to, but I'm wondering if it's that way for a reason or if it has to be that way. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:47, 11 September 2007 (BST)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-11T18:31:55Z

Alkaven: /* Character: Galamantyl */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| border="0" valign="top"
|-
|
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 51
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}
||
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv7
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}
|}

==Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-11T18:31:46Z

Alkaven: /* Character: Alkaven */

(Under Construction)

==Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| border="0" valign="top"
|-
|
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 51
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}
||
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv7
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}
|}

==Character: Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

User talk:Alkaven

2007-09-11T18:27:51Z

Alkaven: /* New weapon template */

==New weapon template==
* Thanks for getting some new weapon articles started for us. You should note, however, that a new format has been established for the weapon pages. [[Manual_of_Style#Individual_weapon_pages | Check it out here]]. We're working the site out of the old, broken template. If you need any help with using the new style, just let us know. We'll be glad to help you out! :D [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:49, 8 September 2007 (BST)
** I'm still getting used to a lot of this. Is there an easier way to build the tables or sort the information? Just curious. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:26, 11 September 2007 (BST)

User talk:Alkaven

2007-09-11T18:26:35Z

Alkaven: /* New weapon template */

==New weapon template==
* Thanks for getting some new weapon articles started for us. You should note, however, that a new format has been established for the weapon pages. [[Manual_of_Style#Individual_weapon_pages | Check it out here]]. We're working the site out of the old, broken template. If you need any help with using the new style, just let us know. We'll be glad to help you out! :D [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 22:49, 8 September 2007 (BST)

* I'm still getting used to a lot of this. Is there an easier way to build the tables or sort the information? Just curious. [[User:Alkaven|Alkaven]] 19:26, 11 September 2007 (BST)

User:Alkaven

2007-09-11T18:23:54Z

Alkaven: Added some stats on my character. Not happy about the picture yet but it'll do.

(Under Construction)

==Character: Alkaven==
[[Image:Alkaven01.jpg|right|thumb|Alkaven]]

{| border="0" valign="top"
|-
|
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Status
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Character Name''' || Alkaven
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Race''' || [[CAST]]
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Gender''' || Male
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Level''' || 51
|-
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Primary Type''' || [[Fortegunner]]
|}
||
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8" | Types
|-
| ''[[Hunter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv9 || ''[[Guntecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Ranger]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv10 || ''[[Fortefighter]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Force]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortegunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv7
|-
| ''[[Fighgunner]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Fortetecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|-
| ''[[Wartecher]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1 || ''[[Protranser]]'' || style="text-align:right" | Lv1
|}
|}

==Character: Galamantyl==
(Under Construction)

File:Alkaven01.jpg

2007-09-11T18:22:04Z

Alkaven: Picture of Alkaven (for Profile)

Picture of Alkaven (for Profile)